Hawk, Victim of V-Bob's Scheme? Hero under Dom?

[mngolf19]

Chad Greenway - I'd rather have Hawk
What first rounders would you rather have over Hawk from that year?

As a Vikes fan, in the games I've watched Hawk in, and articles I've read this week, I'd rather have Greenway. But that's just me.

I think that really is just you. Greenway is just as solid but unspectacular as Hawk. At least Hawk has a cool name.

I'll give you the name. Helps to have a good LB type name. Greenway works for MN as he is sort of "local". If they are both healthy this year, we should be able to see if one is better or not.

[Rastak]

Chad Greenway - I'd rather have Hawk
What first rounders would you rather have over Hawk from that year?

As a Vikes fan, in the games I've watched Hawk in, and articles I've read this week, I'd rather have Greenway. But that's just me.

I think that really is just you. Greenway is just as solid but unspectacular as Hawk. At least Hawk has a cool name.

You go ahead and enjoy the cool name....LOL.


Seriously though, Greenway looks outstanding at times, solid mainly and like most players, not so good on a rare occasion.

How many Vike games do you catch Waldo? Serious question. I sometimes can't really evaluate some Packer players as well as I like because I don't have NFL Sunday ticket anymore and am a Viking season ticket holder. I only see maybe 5 games in their entirety.

I like Hawk, I think Greenway has really stepped up. Who's better? Not sure at this point...pretty close I would guess. Hawk sure didn't play well when I watched him last year and I saw about every snap Greenway was on the field. He's pretty solid. I agree with some folks here Hawk played hurt all year, but then I have to question why you trot out a guy with what was reported to be a torn groin. Is the depth that bad?

[Gunakor]

Chad Greenway - I'd rather have Hawk
What first rounders would you rather have over Hawk from that year?

As a Vikes fan, in the games I've watched Hawk in, and articles I've read this week, I'd rather have Greenway. But that's just me.

I think that really is just you. Greenway is just as solid but unspectacular as Hawk. At least Hawk has a cool name.

You go ahead and enjoy the cool name....LOL.


Seriously though, Greenway looks outstanding at times, solid mainly and like most players, not so good on a rare occasion.

How many Vike games do you catch Waldo? Serious question. I sometimes can't really evaluate some Packer players as well as I like because I don't have NFL Sunday ticket anymore and am a Viking season ticket holder. I only see maybe 5 games in their entirety.

I like Hawk, I think Greenway has really stepped up. Who's better? Not sure at this point...pretty close I would guess. Hawk sure didn't play well when I watched him last year and I saw about every snap Greenway was on the field. He's pretty solid. I agree with some folks here Hawk played hurt all year, but then I have to question why you trot out a guy with what was reported to be a torn groin. Is the depth that bad?

Next in line was Desmond Bishop. I like him in run support, but he's one of the biggest liabilities in coverage of all our LB's IMO. The put him in last year, and in the very first snap he gave up a TD trying to cover... well, you know the story. It was against your Vikings.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

[Partial]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

We agree on something This list is A) whack B) far too early imo

[Waldo]

Ngata is the only guy we cudda shudda.

He had knee miseries and was thought to be a gamble. Solid rookie year, then look out nurse. If he keeps going he's the best first round guy from that draft.

Waldo, the other OSU linebacker is Barbie Carpenter, not Bobby Carpenter.

Super Mario?

Charlie made a solid pick.

[Gunakor]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

If you are talking about Reggie Bush, it never said he was a bust. It clearly used the word bust for players they rate as busts. Next to Bush's name it says Hasn't lived up to the hype.

My apologies if you were referring to someone other than Reggie Bush.

[Lurker64]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

If you are talking about Reggie Bush, it never said he was a bust. It clearly used the word bust for players they rate as busts. Next to Bush's name it says Hasn't lived up to the hype.

My apologies if you were referring to someone other than Reggie Bush.

I believe he was talking about Laurence Maroney, who I understand the Pats are very down on (as he missed virtually all of last season due to injury) but was actually productive in his first two years. I don't know if it it's fair to call him a bust, but I'd rather have Hawk than Maroney.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

If you are talking about Reggie Bush, it never said he was a bust. It clearly used the word bust for players they rate as busts. Next to Bush's name it says Hasn't lived up to the hype.

My apologies if you were referring to someone other than Reggie Bush.

Saints..playoff games?

C'mon Gunakor.

[Gunakor]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

If you are talking about Reggie Bush, it never said he was a bust. It clearly used the word bust for players they rate as busts. Next to Bush's name it says Hasn't lived up to the hype.

My apologies if you were referring to someone other than Reggie Bush.

Saints..playoff games?

C'mon Gunakor.

Lost to the Bears in the NFC Championship game. 2 playoff games that year. Wasn't that 2007?

Edit: Looked it up. January 2007. So again, my apologies if you meant someone else.

[Waldo]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

If you are talking about Reggie Bush, it never said he was a bust. It clearly used the word bust for players they rate as busts. Next to Bush's name it says Hasn't lived up to the hype.

My apologies if you were referring to someone other than Reggie Bush.

I believe he was talking about Laurence Maroney, who I understand the Pats are very down on (as he missed virtually all of last season due to injury) but was actually productive in his first two years. I don't know if it it's fair to call him a bust, but I'd rather have Hawk than Maroney.

He's certainly not playing up to 1st rd RB standards, not even close.

Pats fans are VERY down on him, and willing to dump him to clear up cap space if need be.

[Fritz]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

If you are talking about Reggie Bush, it never said he was a bust. It clearly used the word bust for players they rate as busts. Next to Bush's name it says Hasn't lived up to the hype.

My apologies if you were referring to someone other than Reggie Bush.

I believe he was talking about Laurence Maroney, who I understand the Pats are very down on (as he missed virtually all of last season due to injury) but was actually productive in his first two years. I don't know if it it's fair to call him a bust, but I'd rather have Hawk than Maroney.

He's certainly not playing up to 1st rd RB standards, not even close.

Pats fans are VERY down on him, and willing to dump him to clear up cap space if need be.

I wonder if the Packers want to take a dump...

[KYPack]

Ngata is the only guy we cudda shudda.

He had knee miseries and was thought to be a gamble. Solid rookie year, then look out nurse. If he keeps going he's the best first round guy from that draft.

Waldo, the other OSU linebacker is Barbie Carpenter, not Bobby Carpenter.

Super Mario?

Charlie made a solid pick.

Oh yeah, he's the other guy in the discussion, for sure. I'm a little biased, I see Ngata live once a season. He's a special guy, too. If he stays healthy, he may surpass the Super One, although it's real impossible to equate those two jobs.

[Lurker64]

He's certainly not playing up to 1st rd RB standards, not even close.

Pats fans are VERY down on him, and willing to dump him to clear up cap space if need be.

I think it would be more fair to call him a "disappointment" than a "bust" at this point. To me, "bust" implies somewhat catastrophic failure.

[SnakeLH2006]

Chad Greenway - I'd rather have Hawk
What first rounders would you rather have over Hawk from that year?

As a Vikes fan, in the games I've watched Hawk in, and articles I've read this week, I'd rather have Greenway. But that's just me.

I think that really is just you. Greenway is just as solid but unspectacular as Hawk. At least Hawk has a cool name.

HAHAHHAA!! Snake is pissed...you almost had it word for word and beat me to it. Good post Waldo!

Hawk will be ok, but doubt he EVER lives up to the hype....maybe Great White Hype...as I remember watching the draft unfold at my buddy's house (a black dude) as he kept saying Hawk is overhyped cuz he's white. Now Snake is white too, yet I disagreed based on his Big Ten hype/accolades/pedigree, etc. yet now looking back, I won't say he's a bust, but maybe way overhyped and he is what he is.....He's had several seasons to play up to the standard of what AJ Hawk is supposed to be, but perhaps it was all hype. Regardless he's serviceable and assignment sure except when he gets roasted in coverage by TE's. Note to new Packer D coaches...stop that shit and blitz him some more as he did that well in college.

Snake's Take:

Is Hawk half the player he was touted to be. Debatable.

Is he pretty good and does he have a chance to be a playmaker? Yes, but depends on the scheme as he is tough as shit and I'd love more players to be that tough and not cause waves with media BS.

He's ok, but hardly the player he was touted to be.