Hawk, Victim of V-Bob's Scheme? Hero under Dom?

[Partial]

Greenway looked like a very nice player this year. I'm confident Hawk can be that good when healthy. He was that was in his second season imo. Something wasn't right last year, either the added bulk or the injuries.

[Gunakor]

He's had several seasons to play up to the standard of what AJ Hawk is supposed to be, but perhaps it was all hype.

I'm actually holding out hope that it was all scheme. That Dom Capers will identify and utilize Hawks strengths better than Bob Sanders did.

[Fritz]

He's certainly not playing up to 1st rd RB standards, not even close.

Pats fans are VERY down on him, and willing to dump him to clear up cap space if need be.

I think it would be more fair to call him a "disappointment" than a "bust" at this point. To me, "bust" implies somewhat catastrophic failure.

To me, "bust" implies Dolly Parton.

[cpk1994]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

If you are talking about Reggie Bush, it never said he was a bust. It clearly used the word bust for players they rate as busts. Next to Bush's name it says Hasn't lived up to the hype.

My apologies if you were referring to someone other than Reggie Bush.

I believe he was talking about Laurence Maroney, who I understand the Pats are very down on (as he missed virtually all of last season due to injury) but was actually productive in his first two years. I don't know if it it's fair to call him a bust, but I'd rather have Hawk than Maroney.

He's certainly not playing up to 1st rd RB standards, not even close.

Pats fans are VERY down on him, and willing to dump him to clear up cap space if need be.

I wonder if the Packers want to take a dump...

I thought they already did that with Najeh Davenport?

[Fritz]

When a guy who runs for 750 yards his rookie year, then 850 the next with averages of 4.3 and 4.5, who was a special teams player of the week, NFL player of the week, who rushed for 244 yards in 07 playoffs (2 games) is labeled a bust the discussion has officially gone overboard.

If you are talking about Reggie Bush, it never said he was a bust. It clearly used the word bust for players they rate as busts. Next to Bush's name it says Hasn't lived up to the hype.

My apologies if you were referring to someone other than Reggie Bush.

I believe he was talking about Laurence Maroney, who I understand the Pats are very down on (as he missed virtually all of last season due to injury) but was actually productive in his first two years. I don't know if it it's fair to call him a bust, but I'd rather have Hawk than Maroney.

He's certainly not playing up to 1st rd RB standards, not even close.

Pats fans are VERY down on him, and willing to dump him to clear up cap space if need be.

I wonder if the Packers want to take a dump...

I thought they already did that with Najeh Davenport?

I must confess, that still makes me laugh. Yeah, I'm mad at this woman so I think I'll drop a load in her laundry basket!! That'll show her!!

[3irty1]

Greenway looked like a very nice player this year. I'm confident Hawk can be that good when healthy. He was that was in his second season imo. Something wasn't right last year, either the added bulk or the injuries.

Do we know exactly how much he put on? It appears he really packed it on.

[red]

heres a perfect article for this thread

its from florio on the sporting news. its his, bust/ not a bust, take on the 06 draft

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=538191

his take. aj hawk.......


not a bust

[Partial]

Greenway looked like a very nice player this year. I'm confident Hawk can be that good when healthy. He was that was in his second season imo. Something wasn't right last year, either the added bulk or the injuries.

Do we know exactly how much he put on? It appears he really packed it on.

He didn't look any bigger to me from the typical football view on TV, but you can't really tell unless you get up close.

I've heard from this board that he put on a substantial amount. I don't really understand that though, because in theory his added muscle should make him faster (though the body breaks down easier if its pushing the limit body can handle -- which with Hawk's height is probably pretty likely).

[Packnut]

Hawk

Agreed. Maybe the Hawk apologists will stop and the dude finally lives up to the hype.

Judging by your "Hawk was overrated in college because of the overrated Big 10 and another example of a workout warrior" comments, I'm guessing you have a bias that you are having a hard time overcoming.

How do you think he did his first two years in the league? Try taking away your pre-draft bias and give your fair assessement. I'd say he was good his first two years. He certainly wasn't an elite playmaker, but he was good (and in a lot of ways that don't get noticed). Certainly, not a bust. Now, I think he had a poor third year. The most reasonable explanation seems to be that the injury affected him more than he let on. And I don't buy the stuff about him saying he was 100%. That's just being a warrior and leader. If he had said he was playing injured, people would rip him for making excuses. Pretty obvious in the level of his play in year 2 and year 3 that he wasn't the same physically.

I'd agree with you he was above average his first two seasons, but the question is was his play worthy of the 5th pick in the draft. That has to be a resounding NO. The guy simply put is not a play-maker. Some guys have the "IT" factor whether it be a monster hit or tackles for loss, A.J. does'nt have it.