DT B.J. Raji tests POSITIVE FOR DRUGS!

[wist43]

I'd love to see Raji drop to 9, and TT take him, but Raji comes with some risk now... he will automatically go into the leagues substance abuse program, and comes with one strike.

Doubt TT would be willing to take a chance.

He took a chance on a serious injury risk in Harrell, you don't think he'd take a chance on a character risk with greater upside like Raji if he were there for us?

I think he might, depending on how serious this is. I think some people have blown it out of proportion. Like those saying he's going to prison or some dumb shit like that. It might be just that - a first strike and entry into the leagues substance abuse program. He wouldn't be the first, and if that's all it is, I think I take him anyway.

i don't know if TT can afford to take any risk at this point with the first pick

Like Odell Thurman... GM's can do something we can't, they can sit down and look these kids in the eye. Just b/c the talent is there doesn't mean they'll be a player; then too, a guy who smokes a joint or two isn't necessarily the next Charles Manson.

I tend to be a pretty good judge of character, and have hired and fired; I've passed on some people with what looked like good resumes, and I've hired others who, on paper, didn't look as good, simply based on how they comport themselves, and looking them in the eye.

We can read magazines, watch college games, etc... but when it comes to character, there's no substitute for an in-person interview.

As for the idea that TT would, or wouldn't take a chance on a guy... I think he would, but Raji has put himself into the "boom or bust" catagory and I don't see TT as taking chances on those types of guys.

TT coughed up a fur ball with the Harrell pick, but I don't think he viewed Harrell as a "boom or bust" type guy; I think he made that pick thinking that Harrell was a legit player, and that he really wasn't taking a chance.

[The Shadow]

I am now wondering if TT is eying the Broncos 12th and 18th, as well as our extra #3, and calculating how badly Denver would like Sanchez........
Could a deal be brokered?

[wist43]

I am now wondering if TT is eying the Broncos 12th and 18th, as well as our extra #3, and calculating how badly Denver would like Sanchez........
Could a deal be brokered?

Don't see that happening at all... 9 might be a good wheeling and dealing spot, but can't see giving up another 1st just to move up 3 spots.

Sanchez has looked good in shorts this offseason, but there's enough bad film of him that I don't think that scenario would play out.

[The Shadow]

I am now wondering if TT is eying the Broncos 12th and 18th, as well as our extra #3, and calculating how badly Denver would like Sanchez........
Could a deal be brokered?

Don't see that happening at all... 9 might be a good wheeling and dealing spot, but can't see giving up another 1st just to move up 3 spots.

Sanchez has looked good in shorts this offseason, but there's enough bad film of him that I don't think that scenario would play out.

What about if another 3 (or 2) was factored in?

[Bretsky]

#12 and #18 would be awesome.

We could grab Tyson Jackson and a LB like Clay Matthews

[The Shadow]

#12 and #18 would be awesome.

We could grab Tyson Jackson and a LB like Clay Matthews

I think that we now need to focus more on adding more impact types over depth, and 12 & 18 would address that nicely.

[wist43]

I am now wondering if TT is eying the Broncos 12th and 18th, as well as our extra #3, and calculating how badly Denver would like Sanchez........
Could a deal be brokered?

Don't see that happening at all... 9 might be a good wheeling and dealing spot, but can't see giving up another 1st just to move up 3 spots.

Sanchez has looked good in shorts this offseason, but there's enough bad film of him that I don't think that scenario would play out.

What about if another 3 (or 2) was factored in?

That's probably more doable... I don't have a value chart handy, but even that is relative depending on how a team rates the overall depth of the draft.

As I've been saying, and Ron Wolf used to say, at some point you have to attach names to draft picks... it's all well and good to say I'll take a 2nd, or a 3rd, but if a team has 78 players rated as 3rd round or better, can they accept a 3rd round choice at pick 94, and feel like they're getting full value??? It would all depend on how that team has their board stacked.

In the end, I seriously doubt Denver would be willing to part with both 1st's anyway... besides, does TT really want two 1st rounders??? Have to pay out all that money???

TT would rather have 32 7th rounders

[wist43]

#12 and #18 would be awesome.

We could grab Tyson Jackson and a LB like Clay Matthews

I think that we now need to focus more on adding more impact types over depth, and 12 & 18 would address that nicely.

I agree... I want more quality instead of quantity, but that's not Ted's style.

Be rest assured, that we're going to get another flurry of trade downs, and a bushel full of draft picks... probably not any impact players.

4 years, how many draft picks??? 45 or so??? 1 impact player, but mostly mid-low level starters and backups. Expect more of the same, sans an impact guy.

[wist43]

Wow, came aboard 3 years ago today...

Seems like a lifetime ago from JS Packerplus forum, doesn't it???

I know I as one of the last refugees to come over from there...

[Fritz]

#12 and #18 would be awesome.

We could grab Tyson Jackson and a LB like Clay Matthews

I think that we now need to focus more on adding more impact types over depth, and 12 & 18 would address that nicely.

I agree... I want more quality instead of quantity, but that's not Ted's style.

Be rest assured, that we're going to get another flurry of trade downs, and a bushel full of draft picks... probably not any impact players.

4 years, how many draft picks??? 45 or so??? 1 impact player, but mostly mid-low level starters and backups. Expect more of the same, sans an impact guy.

Wist, I'm gonna call you out on this crazy statement....again. One impact player? Would that be Rodgers or Jennings or Collins? would Colledge be a "mid or low level starter"? Is Blackmon a mediocre returner?

[wist43]

#12 and #18 would be awesome.

We could grab Tyson Jackson and a LB like Clay Matthews

I think that we now need to focus more on adding more impact types over depth, and 12 & 18 would address that nicely.

I agree... I want more quality instead of quantity, but that's not Ted's style.

Be rest assured, that we're going to get another flurry of trade downs, and a bushel full of draft picks... probably not any impact players.

4 years, how many draft picks??? 45 or so??? 1 impact player, but mostly mid-low level starters and backups. Expect more of the same, sans an impact guy.

Wist, I'm gonna call you out on this crazy statement....again. One impact player? Would that be Rodgers or Jennings or Collins? would Colledge be a "mid or low level starter"? Is Blackmon a mediocre returner?

Not sold on Rodgers... he was good, but choked in crunch time; he still has to prove to me he can stay healthy for more than one season - no one was more surprised than I was that he was able to stay on the field, and that he did play fairly well, sans the choking; prior to last year, the guy sure looked like a nancy-boy.

Collins made the pro bowl, but I don't consider him a pro bowl player... made some big plays earlier in the year, is probably the fastest guy on the team, and cut down on the mental mistakes; but, he still misses too many tackles, still takes bad angles, and still can't be trusted to align the defense - he's not a very bright guy, and he's certainly not going to get any smarter. Collins can't be trusted with the mental side of the game...
there was a reason they went out and got Smith (which is shocking in and of itself - TT actually signed a FA).

Colledge??? Gimme a break... if he didn't have a 10 cent head, he'd probably be a player. He's just way to inconsistent to be considered anything better than average - at best. Went back and looked at the Houston game... wow, was he awful.

The one guy you can count on is Jennings.

[The Shadow]

#12 and #18 would be awesome.

We could grab Tyson Jackson and a LB like Clay Matthews

I think that we now need to focus more on adding more impact types over depth, and 12 & 18 would address that nicely.

I agree... I want more quality instead of quantity, but that's not Ted's style.

Be rest assured, that we're going to get another flurry of trade downs, and a bushel full of draft picks... probably not any impact players.

4 years, how many draft picks??? 45 or so??? 1 impact player, but mostly mid-low level starters and backups. Expect more of the same, sans an impact guy.

Wist, I'm gonna call you out on this crazy statement....again. One impact player? Would that be Rodgers or Jennings or Collins? would Colledge be a "mid or low level starter"? Is Blackmon a mediocre returner?

Not sold on Rodgers... he was good, but choked in crunch time; he still has to prove to me he can stay healthy for more than one season - no one was more surprised than I was that he was able to stay on the field, and that he did play fairly well, sans the choking; prior to last year, the guy sure looked like a nancy-boy.

Collins made the pro bowl, but I don't consider him a pro bowl player... made some big plays earlier in the year, is probably the fastest guy on the team, and cut down on the mental mistakes; but, he still misses too many tackles, still takes bad angles, and still can't be trusted to align the defense - he's not a very bright guy, and he's certainly not going to get any smarter. Collins can't be trusted with the mental side of the game...
there was a reason they went out and got Smith (which is shocking in and of itself - TT actually signed a FA).

Colledge??? Gimme a break... if he didn't have a 10 cent head, he'd probably be a player. He's just way to inconsistent to be considered anything better than average - at best. Went back and looked at the Houston game... wow, was he awful.

The one guy you can count on is Jennings.

No, no, no : THAT guy was traded to the Jets for a 3rd round pick.
RODGERS is the current quarterback.

[wist43]

#12 and #18 would be awesome.

We could grab Tyson Jackson and a LB like Clay Matthews

I think that we now need to focus more on adding more impact types over depth, and 12 & 18 would address that nicely.

I agree... I want more quality instead of quantity, but that's not Ted's style.

Be rest assured, that we're going to get another flurry of trade downs, and a bushel full of draft picks... probably not any impact players.

4 years, how many draft picks??? 45 or so??? 1 impact player, but mostly mid-low level starters and backups. Expect more of the same, sans an impact guy.

Wist, I'm gonna call you out on this crazy statement....again. One impact player? Would that be Rodgers or Jennings or Collins? would Colledge be a "mid or low level starter"? Is Blackmon a mediocre returner?

Not sold on Rodgers... he was good, but choked in crunch time; he still has to prove to me he can stay healthy for more than one season - no one was more surprised than I was that he was able to stay on the field, and that he did play fairly well, sans the choking; prior to last year, the guy sure looked like a nancy-boy.

Collins made the pro bowl, but I don't consider him a pro bowl player... made some big plays earlier in the year, is probably the fastest guy on the team, and cut down on the mental mistakes; but, he still misses too many tackles, still takes bad angles, and still can't be trusted to align the defense - he's not a very bright guy, and he's certainly not going to get any smarter. Collins can't be trusted with the mental side of the game...
there was a reason they went out and got Smith (which is shocking in and of itself - TT actually signed a FA).

Colledge??? Gimme a break... if he didn't have a 10 cent head, he'd probably be a player. He's just way to inconsistent to be considered anything better than average - at best. Went back and looked at the Houston game... wow, was he awful.

The one guy you can count on is Jennings.

No, no, no : THAT guy was traded to the Jets for a 3rd round pick.
RODGERS is the current quarterback.

Sorry, my bad

[Gunakor]

Collins made the pro bowl, but I don't consider him a pro bowl player... made some big plays earlier in the year, is probably the fastest guy on the team, and cut down on the mental mistakes; but, he still misses too many tackles, still takes bad angles, and still can't be trusted to align the defense - he's not a very bright guy, and he's certainly not going to get any smarter. Collins can't be trusted with the mental side of the game...
there was a reason they went out and got Smith (which is shocking in and of itself - TT actually signed a FA).

For the record, and I know I'm nitpicking a little bit, but Anthony Smith is a SS. He's going to be competing with Bigby for the SS job. There is a reason Anthony Smith was signed, but it has nothing to do with Nick Collins.

[Waldo]

#12 and #18 would be awesome.

We could grab Tyson Jackson and a LB like Clay Matthews

I think that we now need to focus more on adding more impact types over depth, and 12 & 18 would address that nicely.

I agree... I want more quality instead of quantity, but that's not Ted's style.

Be rest assured, that we're going to get another flurry of trade downs, and a bushel full of draft picks... probably not any impact players.

4 years, how many draft picks??? 45 or so??? 1 impact player, but mostly mid-low level starters and backups. Expect more of the same, sans an impact guy.

Wist, I'm gonna call you out on this crazy statement....again. One impact player? Would that be Rodgers or Jennings or Collins? would Colledge be a "mid or low level starter"? Is Blackmon a mediocre returner?

Not sold on Rodgers... he was good, but choked in crunch time; he still has to prove to me he can stay healthy for more than one season - no one was more surprised than I was that he was able to stay on the field, and that he did play fairly well, sans the choking; prior to last year, the guy sure looked like a nancy-boy.

Collins made the pro bowl, but I don't consider him a pro bowl player... made some big plays earlier in the year, is probably the fastest guy on the team, and cut down on the mental mistakes; but, he still misses too many tackles, still takes bad angles, and still can't be trusted to align the defense - he's not a very bright guy, and he's certainly not going to get any smarter. Collins can't be trusted with the mental side of the game...
there was a reason they went out and got Smith (which is shocking in and of itself - TT actually signed a FA).

Colledge??? Gimme a break... if he didn't have a 10 cent head, he'd probably be a player. He's just way to inconsistent to be considered anything better than average - at best. Went back and looked at the Houston game... wow, was he awful.

The one guy you can count on is Jennings.

Just curious.......

Does anybody play/coach/work for the Packers that you are sold on?