Cutler to the Bears

[cpk1994]

Like I said Rodgers is a good QB, but there was many times that he just threw short passes and his WR's would make a 7 yard slant pass into a 50 yard gain.

I know you are a bear troll, so the confusion is understandible. You are thinking of Favre from 2008. Rodgers rarely ever threw the slant pass. Matter of fact, people here were bitching that McCarthy wasn't calling that at all like the previous year. So, as usual, you don't know whath the hell you are talking about.

[Waldo]

I noticed that MM called a lot more post-corner routes. In fact I'm at a loss to think of a time he ever called it with Brett. An extremely effective yet dangerous route, an underthrown ball is an int with near certainty. Aaron tends to miss long on the deep ones, Brett missed short, perhaps explaining why MM never called the route previously.

MM mentioned one time that Rodgers strength was in the 15-20 yard range, and that he was most comfortable throwing out routes. Goes hand-in-hand with your observation of what was called.

The angles involved in a post-corner are what make is so dangerous, for both sides.

A CB playing the inside shoulder on the post is burned immediately by a quick WR that cuts to the corner. There is no angle on that route. If the WR is equally as fast as the CB and the S has no angle, a well thrown ball is a TD.

However, it is one of the only routes where a good throw flies directly over the head of the DB. The throw not only has to be long, it needs loft so a good jumping CB can't get his hands on it.

Very dangerous route. Miss short and it's an int. It is a deep touch throw, one of the hardest throws to make. Drop the ball in perfect however and that route scores a very high % of the time.

[PlantPage55]

Another misguided Bears fan spouting made up rhetoric about our QB.

Oh how I wish those losers on ESPN would actually break down how teams perform intelligently instead of relying on cliches and generalities.

Then again, it wouldn't stop the bullshit artists from coming around anyway, I'd bet.

[Packnut]

Rodgers

It's funny how times can change. I remember being one of the few in this forum who stuck up for Rodgers when 99% of the people here were ripping him a new one. I kept pointing out how he improved in pre-season games year to year which was crucial in determining his future value.

It continues to amaze me that so many here still continue to believe their "opinion" is a better barometer of a debate than the facts are.

Cutler right now at this moment in time is a better QB than Rodgers. That is fact. Throw out all the dumb worthless statistics and focus on what makes an NFL QB- the ability to WIN. Cutler has that. He's proved it. Rodgers has'nt. That is fact. Keep in mind, Cutler played on a team with a D almost as bad as ours. He also played on a team with continous injuries at RB.

Now we can argue all we want who has the better future and who will be more talented. Those are opinions and good for entertainment purposes.

I pride myself on evaluating QB's. I also was in the great minority here when a lot of you were spouting the Favre was washed up theory a few years back. I argued he was'nt and what happened? #04 went on to have a career season.

The biggest problem Rodgers will face imo, is his coach telling him a 3 yd checkdown is ok on 3rd and 11. Sure it is, when you have a defense that can make a stop. When you don't (I offer the 2008 Packer defense as evidence), then that 3 yd checkdown is pointless.

That is what some of you clowns who ripped Favre for the picks never got it through your thick skulls. What difference does it make losing by 7 or 27? A loss is a loss. Favre knew it, and that is why he took the chances. His attitude was if your going to lose than at least go down swinging. Checkdowns are for losers when your D is a sieve. So PLEASE stop the Cutler threw more picks than Rodgers crap as part of your "why Rodgers is better than Cutler" garbage.

For the record, I believe both QB's will have similiar careers. The wild card is how much talent will be assembled around them.

[Patler]

Re: Rodgers

Cutler right now at this moment in time is a better QB than Rodgers. That is fact. Throw out all the dumb worthless statistics and focus on what makes an NFL QB- the ability to WIN. Cutler has that. He's proved it.

Fact? What fact?
Cutler has proven he has the ability to win? Based on what?
His losing record as a starting QB?
His failure to get his team into the playoffs when they were in the drivers seat to get there in 2008 with just 3 games to go?
Didn't the Broncos have a 3 game lead, with 3 games to be played?

Cutler has proven nothing yet.
Rodgers has proven nothing yet.
Both have shown the physical talent necessary to be good NFL QBs.

[KYPack]

Re: Rodgers

Cutler right now at this moment in time is a better QB than Rodgers. That is fact. Throw out all the dumb worthless statistics and focus on what makes an NFL QB- the ability to WIN. Cutler has that. He's proved it.

Fact? What fact?
Cutler has proven he has the ability to win? Based on what?
His losing record as a starting QB?
His failure to get his team into the playoffs when they were in the drivers seat to get there in 2008 with just 3 games to go?

Cutler has proven nothing yet.
Rodgers has proven nothing yet.
Both have shown the physical talent necessary to be good NFL QBs.

Rodgers is 6-10 as the starter.
Cutler is 17-20.

A couple young guns with a lot to prove. They will have more than one NFL North shootout in the next few years.

I like this discusssion of the disappearing slant. That would be a route that Rodgers should hit pretty well. I wonder why MM went away from it?

[packers11]

Re: Rodgers

Cutler right now at this moment in time is a better QB than Rodgers. That is fact. Throw out all the dumb worthless statistics and focus on what makes an NFL QB- the ability to WIN. Cutler has that. He's proved it. Rodgers has'nt.

Does being 8-5 then losing the next three consecutive games to miss the playoffs, and choke big time in your final game against divisonal rivals to miss the playoffs considered "A qb with the ability to win"

Rodgers didn't make playoffs , and neither did Cutler... Neither "won" anything valuable yet... I'm not sure how you can say Cutler has shown anything about 'winning'...

[Patler]

Re: Rodgers

I like this discusssion of the disappearing slant. That would be a route that Rodgers should hit pretty well. I wonder why MM went away from it?

MM implied early in the year that Rodgers does not throw it particularly well, nor does he like to throw it. It seemed to me they never threw it early, but did a little more often later in the season. Hopefully it will be a play that Rodgers gets better at and becomes more comfortable with over time.

[Dabaddestbear]

Where's sexy rexy? I always kinda liked him as a player. Good arm. Knack for the big play and theatrics.

I think you mean knack for the stupid play. He's unsigned.

Didn't specify which team the big play was for :P

You love those kind of guys apparently, Partial... all show and hot air... relateable I guess? :P

Boy, Partial's retardosity is showing a lot in this thread. More than ususal.

So, the Bears signed Cutler. Good pick up, but he isn't a stud, no matter how much Partial slobs on his knob. He still needs WR to throw to and the rest of the team is old and full of holes. I still say the Packers win the division this year.

old and full of holes? how is this different from the Packers?
And go ahead and name all the many holes you speak of.

[Dabaddestbear]

Like I said Rodgers is a good QB, but there was many times that he just threw short passes and his WR's would make a 7 yard slant pass into a 50 yard gain.

I know you are a bear troll, so the confusion is understandible. You are thinking of Favre from 2008. Rodgers rarely ever threw the slant pass. Matter of fact, people here were bitching that McCarthy wasn't calling that at all like the previous year. So, as usual, you don't know whath the hell you are talking about.

Ok, let me be more specific....he throws short quick passes and Driver and Jennings make it happen afterwards. And another point is Jennings bailed him out on a lot of crazy thrown balls.

I watched every Packer game. I seem to know more about them than you..sad. No more 7-8 man fronts for teams playing the Bears

[Patler]

Ok, let me be more specific....he throws short quick passes and Driver and Jennings make it happen afterwards. And another point is Jennings bailed him out on a lot of crazy thrown balls.

I know you did not write this to me, but let me be more specific in an answer to you. You are wrong!

Honestly, yards after catch totals were down considerably for the Packers in 2008. Looking at the percentage of YAC yardage to total passing yardage, only 3 of 40 QBs had a lower percentage than Rodgers. Rodgers had the 4th highest average of "air yards" per attempt. The receivers did not add as much yardage to Rodgers totals as most other QBs got from their receivers.

[gbgary]

Like I said Rodgers is a good QB, but there was many times that he just threw short passes and his WR's would make a 7 yard slant pass into a 50 yard gain.

Absolutely not true. Most of us were questioning on here what had become of the slant. A staple in the Packers game plan under Favre virtually disappeared last year. Even McCarthy admitted it last year when he was asked how the offense would change with the QB change. He said that the principles of the offense did not change, but the frequency of certain play calls would, because QBs have different strengths on different throws. He then specifically mentioned the short slant, which he said Favre threw better than anyone, but was not a strength for Rodgers. As it turned out, he did not call it nearly as much as in the past.

Rodger's average TD pass was 15.6 yards. In 2007 Favre's average was 25.2 I believe the Packers led the NFL in YAC 2007, but dropped significantly in 2008. Rodgers YAC% in 2008 was 41%, one of the lowest in the NFL. (Favre's in 2008 was 51%). Of 40 QBs rated, only 4 had a lower YAC% than Rodgers in 2008. The receivers even talked about it toward the end of the year, and how they had declined from their performance in 2007.

If you look at "air yards/attempt", the average yardage picked up before the catch, in essence the opposite of YAC, among the 40 QBs rated, Rodgers was tied for 3rd highest average.

Rodgers got his yards on his throws, not on his receivers picking up yardage after the catch.

i was one of those that asked where the slant had gone early on. everything else mentioned here backs-up my play-calling criticism "all we seem to do is run, run, go deep, punt." first-downs weren't getting made, drives were stalling, the short stuff wasn't the main-stay it had been. the true west-coast offense wasn't being used. so the defense was on the field too much and being taken advantage of. that's on MM not rodgers, who i think is very good, but needs experience and will only get better. MM has got to get better!

[red]

how are the bears salary cap wise?

could they now make a play for torry holt? or something like that. it would be a short term solution, but it would be a huge upgrade for them

[Gunakor]

Where's sexy rexy? I always kinda liked him as a player. Good arm. Knack for the big play and theatrics.

I think you mean knack for the stupid play. He's unsigned.

Didn't specify which team the big play was for :P

You love those kind of guys apparently, Partial... all show and hot air... relateable I guess? :P

Boy, Partial's retardosity is showing a lot in this thread. More than ususal.

So, the Bears signed Cutler. Good pick up, but he isn't a stud, no matter how much Partial slobs on his knob. He still needs WR to throw to and the rest of the team is old and full of holes. I still say the Packers win the division this year.

Yes he is a stud. Trust me, the Bears got themselves a franchise QB now, at a very young age.

This is definite cause for concern long term. In the short term I think we'll be okay, especially this year. As long as we have experienced corners like Al and Chuck playing at a Pro Bowl level, I don't think the Bears have any receivers for Cutler to take advantage of when playing against us. But looking twoard the future, if the Bears get themselves a legitimate #1 WR, and our aging corners lose their edge, this could spell real trouble for the Packers.

[Patler]

I spent some time reading the Denver and other Colorado sports columnists. I was surprised to not find one that criticized the Broncos. About the most critical were to the effect of, too bad it happened. Many came right out and said the Broncos were clear winners in the deal, getting three high picks for Cutler.

Seems to be a lot of left over resentment from having blown a three game lead with three games to play. As one columnist wrote, in Orton and Simms they have two QBs who have done something Cutler never has, played well enough to get their teams into the playoffs.