Cutler to the Bears

[Bossman641]

Nope, but I can see that they have dominated the Pack the past 3 years.

They were a missed FG away from being 0-2 against us last year, remember? If each quarter was it's own football game, we'd have gone 7-1 against the Bears last season. They didn't dominate us last year. For the first 105 minutes of our rivalry last season, we dominated them. 37-3 over the first 60. Then they dominated us for the final 15, and ended up winning a football game. Whether your selective memory allows you to comprehend it, in reality this is what happened last season.

Unfortunately for you, Gunk, football isn't 7/8 of a game. It's a complete game. The Bears have dominated us for 2 years now, winning 75% of the time against us. I could go further back, but why?

They're 6-2 against us 4 years. Is that not domination of the series recently? I think that it is.

You're the one with the selective memory, choosing to ignore the actual results of the game, and instead debate them with some arbitrary % of the game.

Dominated?

The Bears may have won, but they certainly didn't dominate. I give the Bears credit. They have been able to win a large percentage of games they should have had no business winning.

The Packers had problems finishing numerous games last year. My hope is that with Rodgers in year 2 and Capers directing the defense, they will get back some of that killer instinct they have been sorely missing.

[Gunakor]

Nope, but I can see that they have dominated the Pack the past 3 years.

They were a missed FG away from being 0-2 against us last year, remember? If each quarter was it's own football game, we'd have gone 7-1 against the Bears last season. They didn't dominate us last year. For the first 105 minutes of our rivalry last season, we dominated them. 37-3 over the first 60. Then they dominated us for the final 15, and ended up winning a football game. Whether your selective memory allows you to comprehend it, in reality this is what happened last season.

Unfortunately for you, Gunk, football isn't 7/8 of a game. It's a complete game. The Bears have dominated us for 2 years now, winning 75% of the time against us. I could go further back, but why?

They're 6-2 against us 4 years. Is that not domination of the series recently? I think that it is.

You're the one with the selective memory, choosing to ignore the actual results of the game, and instead debate them with some arbitrary % of the game.

37-3 isn't some select stat of a game. 37-3 happened in 60 minutes - that's a complete game. I say again, the BEARS were dominated over that span of one complete game. Those were the actual results. We were not dominated that day.

The other game we were leading going into the 4th quarter, and fell behind only to lose the game on a missed FG at the end of it. We lost that game, but I couldn't say we were dominated and neither could anyone else. It was a well fought game from both sides, and neither was dominated. So in two games LAST year, we were not dominated. Which disproves your statement that they've dominated us for 3 straight years. Get it?

You know what, this would be easier to understand if I knew your definition of a team being dominated. If you lose by less than a FG, I wouldn't consider that being dominated. If you WIN by 34 points, I surely wouldn't consider that BEING dominated (I'd actually consider that complete and total domination of the other team). You obviously have a different definition of the word, so please enlighten us as to what you believe it's meaning is.

[Guiness]

They are very set salary cap wise. And not having to pay a first rounder for two years straight will help the pockets tremendously, not to mention Cutler will only count 1mil against the cap next year!

I would be shocked x10
if the Bears did not 'have' to renegotiate Cutler's contract. This is Bus Cook we're talking about, and you have to know one of the reasons he was so elated about the falling out in Denver is that he saw the dollar signs.

I'm guessing Angelo's phone is ringing right now. Seriously, does anyone think Cook and Butler won't be pushing HARD for an extension. Let me be the first to say he's not in camp if he doesn't get one.

[Gunakor]

I'm guessing Angelo's phone is ringing right now. Seriously, does anyone think Cook and Butler won't be pushing HARD for an extension.

Cook, probably. Butler?

[Guiness]

On virtually every play the defense is attacked at 3 levels. There are either 4 or 5 eligible receivers depending on the protection call. There is almost always a WR deep enough to draw the FS, a WR taking advantage of the FS movement, a WR/TE attacking the intermediate area away form the SS, and a short wide outlet. When and to who the ball is thrown is a function of the presnap read, drop and QB choice. Brett and Aaron read defenses differently. It is not playcalling, it is the passer.

Godspeed Waldo, on this point. Because even here, in a safe, sane and intelligent forum, there are no more than 10 people who keep this in mind while looking to place blame on playcalling.

It's the passer, how many reads he can progress through, what his prefered and throws are...at this point in his career, I'd guess he doesn't progress through the reads as quickly and easily as Brett did after being a 10+ yr veteran.

Generally speaking, yes, all the routes you talked about will be there. And Rodgers should be able to eventually hit all of them, he's certainly hitting what should be the harder ones - a couple of those long throws to Jennings.

We've already seen what many considered his 'happy feet' (i.e. one read and take off running) go away, and I'm guessing as he further matures this year, we'll see completions to routes he previously ignored.

[Dabaddestbear]

They are very set salary cap wise. And not having to pay a first rounder for two years straight will help the pockets tremendously, not to mention Cutler will only count 1mil against the cap next year!

I would be shocked x10
if the Bears did not 'have' to renegotiate Cutler's contract. This is Bus Cook we're talking about, and you have to know one of the reasons he was so elated about the falling out in Denver is that he saw the dollar signs.

I'm guessing Angelo's phone is ringing right now. Seriously, does anyone think Cook and Butler won't be pushing HARD for an extension. Let me be the first to say he's not in camp if he doesn't get one.

Nope, it was asked and answered that a requirment of reworking his contract was not part of the trade. But Like I said on here before, JA has no problem paying players that deserve it, even some that dont...lol.
I am sure after this year the Bears will approach Cutler about reworking the contract. This year he only counts about 2 mil against the cap, and next year only about 1. I say that is way less than they would be paying two first round draft picks in signing bonuses that would have to pay. Think about how cash strapped Denver will be after trying to pay four unproven 1st rounders bonuses over two years

[Guiness]

I'm guessing Angelo's phone is ringing right now. Seriously, does anyone think Cook and Butler won't be pushing HARD for an extension.

Cook, probably. Butler?

Alphabet soup error, oh observant one. Cook and Cutler

[sheepshead]

The thing I keep thinking about is Pat Bowlen is one of the best, most loyal owners in sports. If he thought Cutler was the goods, I cant imagine that he wouldnt have done everything in his power to fix this. Seems to me there's plenty beneath the surface we're not seeing. Time will tell.

[Patler]

Think about how cash strapped Denver will be after trying to pay four unproven 1st rounders bonuses over two years

Not to mention that it also looks like Denver could have a fair amount in bonuses already paid to Cutler that have not yet been fully counted against their cap. These will be accelerated.

[Bossman641]

The thing I keep thinking about is Pat Bowlen is one of the best, most loyal owners in sports. If he thought Cutler was the goods, I cant imagine that he wouldnt have done everything in his power to fix this. Seems to me there's plenty beneath the surface we're not seeing. Time will tell.

I've also heard Bowlen is the kind of guy you don't cross though. I'm sure once Cutler and Cook cut off communication for 10 days he said enough is enough.

[Guiness]

I would be shocked x10
if the Bears did not 'have' to renegotiate Cutler's contract. This is Bus Cook we're talking about, and you have to know one of the reasons he was so elated about the falling out in Denver is that he saw the dollar signs.

I'm guessing Angelo's phone is ringing right now. Seriously, does anyone think Cook and Butler won't be pushing HARD for an extension. Let me be the first to say he's not in camp if he doesn't get one.

Nope, it was asked and answered that a requirment of reworking his contract was not part of the trade. But Like I said on here before, JA has no problem paying players that deserve it, even some that dont...lol.
I am sure after this year the Bears will approach Cutler about reworking the contract. This year he only counts about 2 mil against the cap, and next year only about 1. I say that is way less than they would be paying two first round draft picks in signing bonuses that would have to pay. Think about how cash strapped Denver will be after trying to pay four unproven 1st rounders bonuses over two years

If it works out that way for them, that does indeed make their situation much better. Denver picks up the first round level signing bonus, and Chicago gets the cheap years out of the deal. Considering they should've spent a 1st rounder on a QB last year or this year, that makes the price look much more palatable. '11 is the last year of his contract, so negotiating and extension before the '10 season isn't so horrible, if a little early.

I won't change my opinion however that he won't be looking for an extension NOW, after he sees what a high price he commanded.

[Waldo]

Last year's #17 pick (roughly what #18 will get this year) signed a 5 year 12.5M contract with 8.9M guaranteed.

Roughly 2.5M/yr, x2 = 5M/yr 18M guaranteed.

Matt Ryan got more than Aaron, I expect that Cutler will get (a lot) more than Ryan.

Ryan got
6yr, 72M with 35M guaranteed.

I expect Cutler will push to be the next 100M QB (probably won't get it, but close), and push for 40M guaranteed. That roughly equates to 5 #18 picks or more.

Welcome to the world of expensive QB's Bears fans. Gawk all you want at overpayed Big Al, that is the world you've entered with your QB. It totally changes the complexion of the teams cap for a very long time.

[Guiness]

Think about how cash strapped Denver will be after trying to pay four unproven 1st rounders bonuses over two years

Not to mention that it also looks like Denver could have a fair amount in bonuses already paid to Cutler that have not yet been fully counted against their cap. These will be accelerated.

Plus signing bonuses to the 438 FA's they signed, some of which will undoubtedly be cut.

I don't know what they're up to over there...

[Dabaddestbear]

Last year's #17 pick (roughly what #18 will get this year) signed a 5 year 12.5M contract with 8.9M guaranteed.

Roughly 2.5M/yr, x2 = 5M/yr 18M guaranteed.

Matt Ryan got more than Aaron, I expect that Cutler will get (a lot) more than Ryan.

Ryan got
6yr, 72M with 35M guaranteed.

I expect Cutler will push to be the next 100M QB (probably won't get it, but close), and push for 40M guaranteed. That roughly equates to 5 #18 picks or more.

Welcome to the world of expensive QB's Bears fans. Gawk all you want at overpayed Big Al, that is the world you've entered with your QB. It totally changes the complexion of the teams cap for a very long time.

And with how it is going now. You dont know what signing bonuses they will demand at #18 years from today. And even if so, what team that needs a QB would rather want 5 #18 unproven picks over a franchise probowl QB? NONE.

Once again please read what I been saying....BEARS LOVE TO PAY TO THEIR OWN PLAYERS BIG MONEY.
Besides, dont you guys have to worry about paying Rodgers on a new contract before the Bears have to worry about Cutler? And we all know TT is more of a budget GM. So I guess both teams will be ready to cross that bridge at the same time...lol.

[Gunakor]

Last year's #17 pick (roughly what #18 will get this year) signed a 5 year 12.5M contract with 8.9M guaranteed.

Roughly 2.5M/yr, x2 = 5M/yr 18M guaranteed.

Matt Ryan got more than Aaron, I expect that Cutler will get (a lot) more than Ryan.

Ryan got
6yr, 72M with 35M guaranteed.

I expect Cutler will push to be the next 100M QB (probably won't get it, but close), and push for 40M guaranteed. That roughly equates to 5 #18 picks or more.

Welcome to the world of expensive QB's Bears fans. Gawk all you want at overpayed Big Al, that is the world you've entered with your QB. It totally changes the complexion of the teams cap for a very long time.

And with how it is going now. You dont know what signing bonuses they will demand at #18 years from today. And even if so, what team that needs a QB would rather want 5 #18 unproven picks over a franchise probowl QB? NONE.

Once again please read what I been saying....BEARS LOVE TO PAY TO THEIR OWN PLAYERS BIG MONEY.
Besides, dont you guys have to worry about paying Rodgers on a new contract before the Bears have to worry about Cutler? And we all know TT is more of a budget GM. So I guess both teams will be ready to cross that bridge at the same time...lol.

Aaron Rodgers is under contract through the 2013 season.