Excellent Analysis on Rodgers

[KYPack]

No one hopped on the "Jay Fiedler" factoids in the article?

Jay was an OK hand for Miami for a bit, but he couldn't sustain shit, really.

I'd think the references to Fiedler taint the whole article to a pile of drivel.

Bedard can do a whole lot better. At least, I hope he can do a whole lot better than that buncha crap

[highlander]

Jay Fielder . That was one of the poorest arguements I have seen in a while, and I happen to like Bedard. What the heck has Cuter done, seriously what has he done any differently than Rodgers except 2 more years of #'s

Bedard is reaching here the only comparison I can agree with is they ea followed a great QB after that NO comparison

So with that argument Kyle Orton was a hell of lot better QB than Cutler Right? After all wins and losses are what counts

[Packnut]

Favre

Some people think a QB is as good as his record. I believe a good QB makes his team better, but I also think that the talent that surrounds a QB (or the lack of talent) is pretty much out of the QB's hands; therefore, I don't put as much stock into QB won/loss records as others might. It's important, but I believe it's unfair to put too much stock into something one player cannot control.

I take issue with Bedard's assessment that Rodgers would garner no better than a late first round pick. If Thompson put Rodgers out on the market, he'd get more than that.

Favre dis-proves your opinion. He won with less than stellar talent around him. He turned average players into good players. That is what a WINNING QB does.

Example- getting rid of the ball quick enough to avoid the sack while still making a play. This "talent" makes the o-line better at pass blocking.

Example- the art of "the audible". Changing the play after reading the D and finding the weak spot. This makes for a positive play and makes everyone around you look better because of it.

Example- hitting a WR in perfect stride allowing him an increase YAC.

Example- the ability to sustain long drives by having a good 3rd down percentage. This takes the heat off of the D and in turn makes them look better. They are on the field less and are not faced with a "short" field.

All these examples show how a QB makes the people around him better and results in a high winning percentage.

[sheepshead]

shouldn't the headline be "of" Rodgers?
We could all use LESS whinny sports writers. Objective criticism is fine and welcomed. Guys that just bitch are annoying and eventually get passed over by the reader.
Our esteemed rats colleague has a Brett Favre highlight reel in his head and until Aaron Rodgers duplicates that reel for 16 games, said colleague will never be happy as a Packer fan.

[SkinBasket]

You can find numbers to compare almost any two players out there. An honest piece would account for all the numbers, as well as the inherent and multiple differences between teams and opponents - not just the ones which are favorable to his stupid presumption. I guess when the company expects you to put out blogs in addition to your regular article workload, you get a little lazy sometimes.

[Bossman641]

Jay Fiedler? Let's get serious.

That was a terrible article, top to bottom. I love how Bedard diminishes Rodgers' stats because he plays in the WCO. Didn't Waldo or Patler mention how Rodgers had one of the highest amounts of passing yards solely through the air, not taking YAC into account, the other day?

Should we diminish Marino's stats because he played in warm weather? I say we divide his total TD's by 1.1 and multiply his INT's by 1.1 as a result. How about decreasing E. Smith's rushing totals because he played behind one of the greatest lines ever ( I actually wouldn't mind this)? They had to be good for at least an extra 250 yards and 2 TD every year. Favre played in the WCO his whole career. Imagine if the gunslinger had played in an offense that wasn't "safe." I think we should multiply his INT totals by 1.15 as a result. Plus, he had an awful lot of TD passes from the red zone. Remember the year Bubba had like 8 TD's and none were longer than a yard or 2? We should definitely decrease Favre's TD totals as he didn't really earn those TD passes.

Bedard and Partial can break out all the BS they want to try and diminish Rodgers' stats, until they do it for every other player as well, stats are all we have to go on.

[Partial]

Ok, you win Bossman, Rodgers is every bit as good as Peyton Mannning. He's the 2nd best player in the NFL

The stats say so!

[Bossman641]

Ok, you win Bossman, Rodgers is every bit as good as Peyton Mannning. He's the 2nd best player in the NFL

The stats say so!

You win Partial.

Rodgers is average. Vince Young is god.

[Brandon494]

You guys are nuts. Trash article because it makes valid points where a journeyman compares favorably to Rodg?

C'mon, dude hasn't shown anything except 6-10 w/ a big arm and a knack for throwing the game away when its all on the line.

Most deep passes in the league: Not surprised, Jenning is a stud and Rodgers throws a nice deep ball. They play it safe, and don't throw balls over the middle of the field. Our offense defined vanilla this year.

Losing record: Sure, Cutler has a losing record, but he's shown that when his team is in the game, he can close. That is an important quality that A-Rod has so far not displayed.

Makes excellent point of Rodgers still be injury prone. We'll see how that turns out. Hopefully he'll stay healthy. The article just makes a point that Rodgers shouldn't be annoited the king of Wisconsin yet, as we're not even close to knowing what we have in him as a long term starter. A lot of players look good throwing the ball to a Jennings entering his prime. How many QBs did Moss put in the pro bowl and MVP races??

Naturally, anything that you don't agree with is garbage, and Bedard is an ass clown. Right . It's refreshing to see someone who can see A-Rod for what he is. A 5th year player who hasn't been better than the 12th best person at his position in the league.

Did Aaron snub you on a autograph or something because you are totally bias against him. Yes he is a 5th year player who had to sit behind a legend his first 3 seasons which is not a bad thing. His first season starting he a 93.8 passer rating and rushed a over 200 yards with 4 TDS. Pretty good for someone who had not seem live game action very much since coming out of college. Now the guy has more experience and maybe MM will open the playbook up alittle more this season, but you can't blame MM for toning down some of the play calling when you go from Brett Favre to a 1st year starter. That being said ARod still threw 28 TDs and only 13 INT and like you said he has a good deep ball. So what I don't really understand is why do not get the guy the credit he deserves. I would have loved to see the way Cutler would have handled himself during the whole Favre saga.

Here is a article I read awhile back with some good stats I think you should take a look at.

Attention grabbing stats
March 7, 2009
Written by Bob Fox - PackerChatters Staff

It's nice to see the Green Bay Packers finally get off the schneid and sign their first free agent, S Anthony Smith from the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's not exactly an earth shattering signing, but Smith has experience in the 3-4 defense, has started 10 games for the Steelers at safety in 2007 as well and played under Darren Perry in Pittsburgh in 2006, who will now be his position coach again in Green Bay.

We shall see what Ted Thompson does with other potential free agents and also what he does in the NFL draft in late April, but for now I wanted to put out some stats that were attention grabbing by four Packers in 2008, and should also bode well for the future.

Aaron Rodgers

Much has been said about Rodgers trying to replace the legendary Brett Favre in 2008, but Rodgers had a fantastic year overall, except for winning more games. But let's look at what he did do. Rodgers threw for 28 TDs to just 13 interceptions for 4,038 yards and a 93.8 QB rating. Rodgers also scored 4 TDs rushing the ball and rushed for 207 yards overall. Rodgers also had 8 games in which he had a QB rating of over 100.0, which was second in the NFL. Rodgers was also only the second player ever in NFL history to throw for more than 4,000 yards in a season in the first season he started a game. Kurt Warner in 1999 was the first.

Greg Jennings

Jennings truly became the Packers go to guy at WR in 2008. Jennings was 6th in receiving yards (1,292) in the entire NFL, tied for 2nd in 20-plus yard catches (21) and 1st in 40-plus yard catches (8). Overall, Jennings caught 80 passes, and had a 16.2 yard average. Jennings was named a first alternate at WR for the NFC in the Pro Bowl. Thompson needs to make sure that Jennings gets a long term deal done this off-season.

Charles Woodson

Woodson proved again in 2008, that he is the second best free agent signing in Packer history, behind only Reggie White. In his Packer career, Woodson has intercepted 19 passes in only three years, compared to 17 in eight years as an Oakland Raider. In 2008, Woodson was named a Pro Bowl starter for the NFC and was named second team All-Pro by the Associated Press for his performance. Woodson had 7 interceptions for 169 yard and two of the picks were returned for TDs. Woodson now has 4 interception returns for TDs in his Packer career. Woodson also had 3 sacks, and forced a fumble and recovered a fumble as well.

Nick Collins

Part of the reason for the signing of Anthony Smith was for the Packers to protect themselves in 2010 because Collins and Atari Bigby could be free agents. Like Jennings, Thompson has to make signing Collins to a long term deal a priority. The light definitely came on for Collins in 2008, as he, like Woodson, was named as a starter for the Pro Bowl for the NFC and was named second team All-Pro from the Associated Press. Collins had 7 picks for a whopping 295 yards and returned 3 of the picks for TDs.

[mission]

Ok, you win Bossman, Rodgers is every bit as good as Peyton Mannning. He's the 2nd best player in the NFL

The stats say so!

Good come back.

My ex girlfriend did the same thing when she had nothing of substance to say... she'd roll her eyes, say something like "ok, you're right, you're always right" or "you win, tony" ... very similar. Im sure you've had a girlfriend who did the sa---ahhh, probably not, sorry.

[3irty1]

I certainly entertain the thought that he's not as good as his numbers indicate but I don't buy the criticism that he craps his pants at the end of games or somehow has bad nerves. He's been at his best in some of the biggest games of his life.

I definitely don't buy the injury prone criticism either. That was unwarranted from the beginning. You can't call someone injury prone until they at least miss a start. If anything he's shown that he'll play through pain. This talk is only brought up to provide contrast with Brett Favre. Everyone is injury prone compared to Brett.

[Patler]

My first inclination was to list all the inaccuracies in Bedards rant, but many of you beat me to the punch. So I will discuss just one aspect that jumped out at me, and emphasized what I discussed in another thread, that Bedard seems to be failing to do his background work, and bases his "opinions" on feeble foundations.

One of those "game killing" interceptions that Bedard referred to apparently came in the 2nd quarter, because that was the only interception Rodgers threw in that game. After that "game killing interception" Rodgers drove the team to a fourth quarter TD to take a one point lead, only to have the defense turn it into a 7 point deficit on a TD & 2 point conversion; after which Rodgers drove the team to a TD to tie it, only to have the defense give it away on a field goal to lose. Too bad Rodgers killed that game with his interception in the 2nd quarter.

Another of his "game killing" interceptions came in a 4th quarter in which he lead the team on an 80 yard TD drive before the interception and a 72 yard TD drive after the interception. The last TD came with 2 minutes left, after which ST failed to execute the onside kick, and the defense couldn't get the ball back to the offense even though they had 1:55 and two timeouts to work with. The defense gave up 10 points in the 4th quarter, largely negating Rodgers' comeback attempts. Yup, another one "killed" by Rodgers.

One did end the Packer chances, coming at the 0:46 mark. But it was in a 4th quarter in which Rodgers had lead the team to the go ahead score with 5:35 remaining, only to have the defense give it back the next series on an 80 yard drive.

In one he threw 3 second half interceptions, effectively eliminating any chances the Packers had. I'll give Bedard this one.

Bedard looks only at the surface. His analysis is extremely shallow.

[Pugger]

This attitude towards Rodgers by some is a head scratcher. Did he mess up the ends of games? Yes, but good grief, he was first year starter who probably tried to do too much when his D and ST fell flat on their faces. When BF tried to do too much to win the game and failed a lot of folks didn't get on Favre too much cuz he was just trying to win the game. What in the hell do you think Rodgers was trying to do at the end of some of those games??

[Partial]

Ok, you win Bossman, Rodgers is every bit as good as Peyton Mannning. He's the 2nd best player in the NFL

The stats say so!

You win Partial.

Rodgers is average. Vince Young is god.

Never said he was. Said he was a good, solid winner. Both have shown that to be the case. Young with his pro bowl, roty, and playoff appearance.

[Zool]

Ok, you win Bossman, Rodgers is every bit as good as Peyton Mannning. He's the 2nd best player in the NFL

The stats say so!

You win Partial.

Rodgers is average. Vince Young is god.

Never said he was. Said he was a good, solid winner. Both have shown that to be the case. Young with his pro bowl, roty, and playoff appearance.

And splinters after quitting on the team.