Excellent Analysis on Rodgers

[Patler]

I agree that that was a pretty dumb statement. I don't think one could argue, though, that the offense from '08 was anything more than a small subset of the '07 attack.

As Nutz and I have posted so many times, they really kept things pretty simple for A-Rod, and didn't use the entire field to make his life easier.

It never ceases to amaze me how some of you jump on an erroneous interpretation of a statement or statements, and harp on it until it reaches a life of its own.

[Lurker64]

Maybe not injury prone so much, but certainly not iron man status either. I think he'll probably get dinged up and miss a few games this year. Surprised he didn't last.

"I have a negative expectation of a player, so far he hasn't lived down to my expectations... but I think he will any day now".

Does anybody else think that's a really strange thing to think?

[ThunderDan]

How many QBs did Moss put in the pro bowl and MVP races??

Not Andrew Walter, that's for sure.

Agreed, but he made average QBs like Johnson, Moon, etc look pretty decent.

I tend to believe that Greg Jennings emergence was one of the big reasons Favre looked so good in '07 too. He wasn't nearly as sharp in weeks 1 or 2 before Jennings returned from injury.

Dude is a straight up stud. Let's hope he stays healthy.

Warren Moon?

[Lurker64]

How many QBs did Moss put in the pro bowl and MVP races??

Not Andrew Walter, that's for sure.

Agreed, but he made average QBs like Johnson, Moon, etc look pretty decent.

I tend to believe that Greg Jennings emergence was one of the big reasons Favre looked so good in '07 too. He wasn't nearly as sharp in weeks 1 or 2 before Jennings returned from injury.

Dude is a straight up stud. Let's hope he stays healthy.

Warren Moon?

I think Partial made a couple of oversights:
1) Warren Moon was a hall of famer (in both the NFL and CFL!) and one of the all-time greats.

2) Warren Moon played with the Vikings from 1994-1996 and after that played for the Seahawks and Chiefs before calling it a career. Randy Moss was drafted in 1998, and thus has never played with Warren Moon. If he made Warren Moon look good, it has to be "by comparison" and not "on the football field."

[Partial]

Sorry I meant Randall Cunningham. Lurker, don't play dumb and be a prick, you know damn well who I meant. Who doesn't get those two confused every now and again?

[ThunderDan]

How many QBs did Moss put in the pro bowl and MVP races??

Not Andrew Walter, that's for sure.

Agreed, but he made average QBs like Johnson, Moon, etc look pretty decent.

I tend to believe that Greg Jennings emergence was one of the big reasons Favre looked so good in '07 too. He wasn't nearly as sharp in weeks 1 or 2 before Jennings returned from injury.

Dude is a straight up stud. Let's hope he stays healthy.

Warren Moon?

I think Partial made a couple of oversights:
1) Warren Moon was a first ballot hall of famer and one of the all-time greats.

2) Warren Moon played with the Vikings from 1994-1996 and after that played for the Seahawks and Chiefs before calling it a career. Randy Moss was drafted in 1998, and thus has never played with Warren Moon. If he made Warren Moon look good, it has to be "by comparison" and not "on the football field.

Lurker couldn't you have waited to post? I know Moon and Moss never played together. I just wanted to see Partial somehow defend that Moss made Moon better when they never played together.

That's what Partial does. It doesn't matter if he is wrong he just keeps spouting his postion over and over thinking that makes him right.

[RashanGary]

If Bedard thinks a QB is only as good as his W/L record, Bedard is clearly in denial. People in GB always made it about one guy, but it never was. It's not here, and isn't on any team in the NFL.

Time will prove us Rodgers backers right. I'm very confident the defense and ST's let the Packers down last year and Rodgers will be a winner.

[GrnBay007]

I will say this, where is all this Favre hate coming from. The way some of you talk on this forum, it is like Favre was a below average player for the 17 years he was in Green Bay.

I guess if the only way you all can feel better about Favre being gone is to trash the guy and fail to remember him or speak of the good things he did on and off the football field then all means carry on, otherwise to argue against Partial(?) or who ever by trashing Favre is just a bit disappointing.

Best post in a LONG time!!!


Last season when Favre was playing well with the Jets, posters demanded all comments be directed to ONE thread. Nobody wanted to talk about him then. Boy how times have changed.

FYI----only small minded people believe you can only show support for your current QB by trashing your past HOFer QB.

[RashanGary]

Funny to see Partial try to scurry out of his lies and make-believes. That is what it's come to for the haters. Kinda sad.

[RashanGary]

[Partial]

Funny to see Partial try to scurry out of his lies and make-believes. That is what it's come to for the haters. Kinda sad.

?? Such as?

Oh, and to your above post... all about the quarterback? Favre leaves and we drop off 7 games. Brady gets hurt and they drop off 5 games. Romo gets hurt and the 'boys fall apart. The Colts sucked to start the year, hell, we beat them. Peyton starts to get healthy and they win what, 10 to 12 straight?

It is all about the quarterback dude. By far the most important position. Have a stud and you'll always always always be competitive and close to the playoffs.

That's why I'm an advocate of the "If he's not a super duper star, move on" theory at QB.

[RashanGary]

I disagree. Its' all about defense, offense, ST's, health and coaching. Hero worshippers want to put it on one guy.

[Partial]

I disagree. Its' all about defense, offense, ST's, health and coaching. Hero worshippers want to put it on one guy.

Heh. So many teams without top 5 QBs have gone to and won the super bowl, after all in the past 17 years.

1993 - HOF QB
1994 - HOF QB
1995 - HOF QB
1996 - HOF QB
1997 - HOF QB
1998 - HOF QB
1999 - HOF QB
2000 - HOF QB
2001 - Not HOF QB
2002 - HOF QB
2003 - Not HOF QB
2004 - HOF QB
2005 - HOF QB
2006 - HOF QB
2007 - HOF QB
2008 - Not HOF QB
2009 - HOF QB

3/17, or 17% of the time in the past 17 years has a guy not bound for the HOF won a super bowl. The teams that didn't all had legendary defenses and dominating pass rush.

If the Packers had a dominant defense and running game like the Giants did, I could see A-Rod getting them to a super bowl, sure. If they don't though, no way, and that sort of defense is pretty gosh darn rare.

Pretty tough to dispute those statistics. I'll take my chances with the stud QB

[KYPack]

That's why I'm an advocate of the "If he's not a super duper star, move on" theory at QB.

OK

At least there is some kind of method to your madness.

Try to quit beating all your famous dead horses now.

[cpk1994]

I certainly entertain the thought that he's not as good as his numbers indicate but I don't buy the criticism that he craps his pants at the end of games or somehow has bad nerves. He's been at his best in some of the biggest games of his life.

I definitely don't buy the injury prone criticism either. That was unwarranted from the beginning. You can't call someone injury prone until they at least miss a start. If anything he's shown that he'll play through pain. This talk is only brought up to provide contrast with Brett Favre. Everyone is injury prone compared to Brett.

Injury prone is definitely just at this point. He's missing potential playing time, and in the event we needed him, he wouldn't have been there. That is essentially missing a start imo.

That would be the same as saying Harrell isn't injury prone because he's never missed a start -- because he's never been a starter

What time has ARod missed. He started all 16 games as QB, his first 16. Are you seriously this mentally retarded?