Excellent Analysis on Rodgers

[mraynrand]

P.S. I didn't think it possible, but Bedard continues to get worse and worse. Skinbasket, hopefully your email will wake the guy up.

[Gunakor]

I didn't see it, but I don't understand it either in this context.

He will improve some imo, but for the most part he is what he is. By the 5th year most players are what they are going to be outside of a few rare exceptions. Let's hope Rodgers is one of those.

Cutler still has another year or two to learn and grow. Here's hoping he does not do that.

Believe me, I'd rather be wrong about Cutler and Rodgers than correct!!!

But there's alot more that you can learn on the field than you can from the sidelines. Rodgers has plenty that he can and will learn.

Favre kept on learning new tricks throughout his career. So will Rodgers. So will Cutler. So will Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco and Matt Leinhart. Hell, I'll bet even Vince Young has a thing or two he could learn or improve on years down the road. Players don't just stop getting better in their 4th or 5th season.

[3irty1]

Kind of funny that you mention Big Ben because he's the QB in the league that A-Rod reminds me of the most. Not that I'm comparing anything other than the way they play the game.

They share some strengths: Throwing the deep ball, accuracy to all levels, great at buying time, surprisingly athletic, accurate on the run, always has eyes downfield looking to drive the ball especially if the play breaks down.

They share the same criticism: Hold the ball forever, take a lot of sacks, Some durability concerns, slightly inconsistent.

[Bossman641]

I didn't see it, but I don't understand it either in this context.

He will improve some imo, but for the most part he is what he is. By the 5th year most players are what they are going to be outside of a few rare exceptions. Let's hope Rodgers is one of those.

Cutler still has another year or two to learn and grow. Here's hoping he does not do that.

Believe me, I'd rather be wrong about Cutler and Rodgers than correct!!!

I don't see why you are so sure he won't improve. By all accounts, he has improved every year he has been in the league. I don't think you could disagree with that. He's also shown himself to be a hard worker, both mentally and in the weight room - as you have noted numerous times.

If I remember correctly, he had a pretty high Wonderlic score coming out and, based on what we've seen and heard from him, is a bright guy. I just don't understand the negativity. He's improved his physical attributes every year, improved his understanding of the game, and has improved his actual play every year. I see no reason to believe he will all of a sudden tail off.

[Fritz]

I agree that that was a pretty dumb statement. I don't think one could argue, though, that the offense from '08 was anything more than a small subset of the '07 attack.

As Nutz and I have posted so many times, they really kept things pretty simple for A-Rod, and didn't use the entire field to make his life easier.

It never ceases to amaze me how some of you jump on an erroneous interpretation of a statement or statements, and harp on it until it reaches a life of its own.

You do know Adrian Barbre punched a coach last spring at practice, don't you Patler???

[GrnBay007]

Just wondering.....and an innocent question BTW...

For the people that think that Rodgers is the "second coming" after one season.... What will your thoughts be IF, after 2 more seasons we have great QB stats and no winning record? Just wondering.

[Gunakor]

Kind of funny that you mention Big Ben because he's the QB in the league that A-Rod reminds me of the most. Not that I'm comparing anything other than the way they play the game.

They share some strengths: Throwing the deep ball, accuracy to all levels, great at buying time, surprisingly athletic, accurate on the run, always has eyes downfield looking to drive the ball especially if the play breaks down.

They share the same criticism: Hold the ball forever, take a lot of sacks, Some durability concerns, slightly inconsistent.

Good post. Great comparison too.

Hopefully the Steelers' mentality on defense the new coaching staff brings in will make for a scenario where the two can compare Super Bowl rings too.

[Bossman641]

I agree that that was a pretty dumb statement. I don't think one could argue, though, that the offense from '08 was anything more than a small subset of the '07 attack.

As Nutz and I have posted so many times, they really kept things pretty simple for A-Rod, and didn't use the entire field to make his life easier.

It never ceases to amaze me how some of you jump on an erroneous interpretation of a statement or statements, and harp on it until it reaches a life of its own.

You do know Adrian Barbre punched a coach last spring at practice, don't you Patler???

Wow. Allen Barbre and his second cousin Adrian BOTH punched a coach? What are the chances! No wonder he didn't play.

[Zool]

I agree that that was a pretty dumb statement. I don't think one could argue, though, that the offense from '08 was anything more than a small subset of the '07 attack.

As Nutz and I have posted so many times, they really kept things pretty simple for A-Rod, and didn't use the entire field to make his life easier.

It never ceases to amaze me how some of you jump on an erroneous interpretation of a statement or statements, and harp on it until it reaches a life of its own.

You do know Adrian Barbre punched a coach last spring at practice, don't you Patler???

What I cant figure out is how Partial keeps baiting people into debating him. I know its hard to resist sometimes but damn this is getting old. You'll never change his mind on a single topic.

[Gunakor]

Just wondering.....and an innocent question BTW...

For the people that think that Rodgers is the "second coming" after one season.... What will your thoughts be IF, after 2 more seasons we have great QB stats and no winning record? Just wondering.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it...

First, you identify what the problem is. You've identified that the problem isn't the quarterback. Is it the OL blocking for him? The RB's that are supposed to take pressure off of him? The receivers he's throwing to?

How are the games being lost? Is the problem that you can't score enough points or is it that you give up too many? If it's defense, do you need to focus more on getting pressure on the QB or plugging the running lanes? Do you need more competent safeties giving help to your corners on deep pass patterns?

I believe in the scenario you presented there would be many more questions than there'd be answers.

[Pugger]

Just wondering.....and an innocent question BTW...

For the people that think that Rodgers is the "second coming" after one season.... What will your thoughts be IF, after 2 more seasons we have great QB stats and no winning record? Just wondering.

No, I doubt most folks here think Rodgers is the 'second coming'. Most of us are pleased with the way Rodgers played most of the time. If Rodgers keeps putting up great numbers but no winning record then you DO then have to look around and see what else is going on. If your QB is putting up 4000+ yds and 25+ TDs, what more can your QB do?

[PackerTimer]

Just wondering.....and an innocent question BTW...

For the people that think that Rodgers is the "second coming" after one season.... What will your thoughts be IF, after 2 more seasons we have great QB stats and no winning record? Just wondering.

No, I doubt most folks here think Rodgers is the 'second coming'. Most of us are pleased with the way Rodgers played most of the time. If Rodgers keeps putting up great numbers but no winning record then you DO then have to look around and see what else is going on. If your QB is putting up 4000+ yds and 25+ TDs, what more can your QB do?

Maybe some blocking, provide some pass rush, hand the ball of to himself and rush for 1500 yards, call plays. If he can't multitask he has no business suiting up.

[Pugger]

Just wondering.....and an innocent question BTW...

For the people that think that Rodgers is the "second coming" after one season.... What will your thoughts be IF, after 2 more seasons we have great QB stats and no winning record? Just wondering.

No, I doubt most folks here think Rodgers is the 'second coming'. Most of us are pleased with the way Rodgers played most of the time. If Rodgers keeps putting up great numbers but no winning record then you DO then have to look around and see what else is going on. If your QB is putting up 4000+ yds and 25+ TDs, what more can your QB do?

Maybe some blocking, provide some pass rush, hand the ball of to himself and rush for 1500 yards, call plays. If he can't multitask he has no business suiting up.

[Dylan McKay]

Just wondering.....and an innocent question BTW...

For the people that think that Rodgers is the "second coming" after one season.... What will your thoughts be IF, after 2 more seasons we have great QB stats and no winning record? Just wondering.

No, I doubt most folks here think Rodgers is the 'second coming'. Most of us are pleased with the way Rodgers played most of the time. If Rodgers keeps putting up great numbers but no winning record then you DO then have to look around and see what else is going on. If your QB is putting up 4000+ yds and 25+ TDs, what more can your QB do?

Teach him to stay upright?

She poses a good question, but one that might not be all that realistic. Rodgers biggest issue, and one that all first year starting qbs usually have is dealing with the pass rush and the timing of the game. This was something that later in his career Favre was fantastic at, timing, he knew exactly how much time he had in the pocket, sure sacks happen, they happen to all QBs. Manning and Brady are also very good at this as well. Rodgers did improve as the season went on. He used the pocket better, his footwork came along as well.

But again, it is a valid question by "No Nuts", If Rodgers has the stats you need to look on a game by game basis at where all those yards are coming from, when is he scoring the touchdowns. If it is later in the game when the opponent is up by three scores and playing a soft zone keeping everything in front of them then you have problems that can be associated with the whole offense, including Rodgers.

[GrnBay007]

Just wondering.....and an innocent question BTW...

For the people that think that Rodgers is the "second coming" after one season.... What will your thoughts be IF, after 2 more seasons we have great QB stats and no winning record? Just wondering.

No, I doubt most folks here think Rodgers is the 'second coming'. Most of us are pleased with the way Rodgers played most of the time. If Rodgers keeps putting up great numbers but no winning record then you DO then have to look around and see what else is going on. If your QB is putting up 4000+ yds and 25+ TDs, what more can your QB do?

Maybe some blocking, provide some pass rush, hand the ball of to himself and rush for 1500 yards, call plays. If he can't multitask he has no business suiting up.

That was funny.

Wonder how many years Favre had crap all around him and still found a way to have a winning season? And please note...that is not to start shit...just mentioning it to people that have nothing but negative to say about Favre lately.