Excellent Analysis on Rodgers

[GrnBay007]

I wish the negativity would stop too, but I completely understand why it continues. Favre, even after leaving Green Bay, had nothing but negativity to say about the Packers too. It's completely understandable that some Packer fans would take issue with that. Now, enough time has passed that it should have died down - and it has to a large degree. You don't log in to find 20 Favre threads on the front page anymore. But it won't completely go away unless those on both sides of that fence let it go. Those who criticize Favre as well as those who steadfastly defend him.

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Gunakor, I agree with wishing the negativity would stop, however, I do have a problem with the bolded above. I don't recall Favre having nothing but negative to say about the PACKERS, hell, he tried with all his mite to return to the team he loved. He had issues with TT and/or MM....(who knows, we weren't there) He wanted to continue to play and they didn't want him.....he moved on. How can you say he had nothing but negative to say about the Packers? He had nothing but good to say about his years playing in Green Bay for the Green Bay Packers........minus the TT aspect.

[GrnBay007]

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Roll your eyes all you want - but let's be real. Favre often had good if not very good players around him.

Often time....not ALL the time. He did well with little very often and is not getting credit where credit is due here. That's all I'm saying.

Honestly, what does it matter? Favre's not on the team. Favre has made it pretty clear he wants nothing to do with the organization for the time being.

I like him, I respect what he did for the organization. I was turned off on how he acted. I don't hate him. I don't dislike him. I'm just tired of hearing about him. I don't understand this constant need to make sure Favre gets the credit he deserves, just like I don't understand the need of some to put him down all the time.

He was loved by 99.9% of Packer fans while he was with the team, isn't that enough?

Yes.
Now unless you haven't been reading PR the last while or are blind, you will notice all the negative shit being thrown about Favre lately.

I can ask the same. He's a lock for HOF, why do people continue to insinuate he was not what he was and bad mouth him now? It's crazy.

[SkinBasket]

And I thought this post started at maximum stupidity...

[RashanGary]

[quote="GrnBay007"]

He had nothing but good to say about his years playing in Green Bay for the Green Bay Packers........minus the TT aspect.

boo hoo

poor Brett


Good Riddance

[Bossman641]

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Roll your eyes all you want - but let's be real. Favre often had good if not very good players around him.

Often time....not ALL the time. He did well with little very often and is not getting credit where credit is due here. That's all I'm saying.

Honestly, what does it matter? Favre's not on the team. Favre has made it pretty clear he wants nothing to do with the organization for the time being.

I like him, I respect what he did for the organization. I was turned off on how he acted. I don't hate him. I don't dislike him. I'm just tired of hearing about him. I don't understand this constant need to make sure Favre gets the credit he deserves, just like I don't understand the need of some to put him down all the time.

He was loved by 99.9% of Packer fans while he was with the team, isn't that enough?

Yes.
Now unless you haven't been reading PR the last while or are blind, you will notice all the negative shit being thrown about Favre lately.

I can ask the same. He's a lock for HOF, why do people continue to insinuate he was not what he was and bad mouth him now? It's crazy.

And who has the bad-mouthing come from? I'v seen Justin Harrell and CPK, and even they have tuned it way down from what it was.

They don't like Favre. If they are letting their disappointment with him now cloud their view of what he once was, that is their problem.

I guess I just don't see the big deal. Unless there are some posts I've missed, it's the same people as always. How is that any different then Merlin thinking TT is the devil, Packnut putting down TT in every post, Wist having the optimism of a death-row inmate, or Partial hating Rodgers? With some people, you just know what they are going to say.

[Patler]

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Roll your eyes all you want - but let's be real. Favre often had good if not very good players around him.

Often time....not ALL the time. He did well with little very often and is not getting credit where credit is due here. That's all I'm saying.

Very often? Really? I will give you 2005 because of injuries, but what other year?

1992 - Sharpe, Jackie Harris, Edgar Bennett
1993 - Sharpe, Jackie Harris, Edgar Bennett, Brooks
1994 - Sharpe, Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Chmura
1995 - Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Chmura, Levens
1996 - Freeman, Rison, Jackson, Bennett, Chmura, Levens, Beebe
1997 - Freeman, Brooks, Chmura, Levens, Henderson
1998 - Freeman, Brooks, Chmura, Levens, Henderson, Schroeder
1999 - Freeman, Schroeder, Levens, Bradford, Henderson
2000 - Freeman, Schroeder, Levens, Green, Driver, Henderson
2001 - Freeman, Schroeder, Green, Bradford, Franks, Levens, Driver, Henderson
2002 - Driver, Green, Glenn, Franks, Henderson, Walker, Ferguson
2003 - Driver, Green, Walker, Franks, Henderson, Ferguson, Fisher, Walls
2004 - Walker, Driver, Green Fisher, Franks, Henderson, Ferguson
2005 - 'nuff said!
2006 - Driver, Green, Jennings, Franks, Herron
2007 - Driver, Jennings, Lee, Jones, Grant.

The truth is, Favre had lots of talented skill position players with him. If anyone isn't getting the credit where credit is due, it is the players in the list above. It is a misconception that Favre often had little talent with which to work. You don't have to degrade the players he played with to build up the Favre mystique.

[GrnBay007]

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The truth is, Favre had lots of talented skill position players with him. If anyone isn't getting the credit where credit is due, it is the players in the list above. It is a misconception that Favre often had little talent with which to work. You don't have to degrade the players he played with to build up the Favre mystique.

When the team wins the QB generally gets credit. When the team loses the QB often times gets the blame...well known fact.

I've never degraded specific players Favre played with.

Why do so many here try SO hard to discredit Favre?

[PlantPage55]

The defense must not have been very good, but Peyton Manning still looked great when they went 3-13.

But Rodgers hasn't? Give me a break, Partial.

You ask us why we dismiss "valid" points. Who's to say that they are valid? They sound like bullshit. Most are opinions by apparently blind people who didn't see Aaron Rodgers make all the throws a QB needs to make and have the second best season at QB that a 1st year starter has EVER had.

We've been disproving this stuff left and right.

But I can see that none of this will matter to you, because the ONE NFL fan that you can't convince of anything - is the one that hangs the team record on the quarterback and leaves it at that. It's ridiculous and I find it hard that you even believe it yourself, because you are an intelligent writer. I can't believe your intelligence stops at something so short-sighted.

[PackerTimer]

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Roll your eyes all you want - but let's be real. Favre often had good if not very good players around him.

Often time....not ALL the time. He did well with little very often and is not getting credit where credit is due here. That's all I'm saying.

Very often? Really? I will give you 2005 because of injuries, but what other year?

1992 - Sharpe, Jackie Harris, Edgar Bennett
1993 - Sharpe, Jackie Harris, Edgar Bennett, Brooks
1994 - Sharpe, Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Chmura
1995 - Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Chmura, Levens
1996 - Freeman, Rison, Jackson, Bennett, Chmura, Levens, Beebe
1997 - Freeman, Brooks, Chmura, Levens, Henderson
1998 - Freeman, Brooks, Chmura, Levens, Henderson, Schroeder
1999 - Freeman, Schroeder, Levens, Bradford, Henderson
2000 - Freeman, Schroeder, Levens, Green, Driver, Henderson
2001 - Freeman, Schroeder, Green, Bradford, Franks, Levens, Driver, Henderson
2002 - Driver, Green, Glenn, Franks, Henderson, Walker, Ferguson
2003 - Driver, Green, Walker, Franks, Henderson, Ferguson, Fisher, Walls
2004 - Walker, Driver, Green Fisher, Franks, Henderson, Ferguson
2005 - 'nuff said!
2006 - Driver, Green, Jennings, Franks, Herron
2007 - Driver, Jennings, Lee, Jones, Grant.

The truth is, Favre had lots of talented skill position players with him. If anyone isn't getting the credit where credit is due, it is the players in the list above. It is a misconception that Favre often had little talent with which to work. You don't have to degrade the players he played with to build up the Favre mystique.

He also had outstanding defenses supporitng him with names like White, Jones, Butler, Robinson, Newsome, Dotson, Brown, etc, etc.

When you look back at the teams in the mid and late 90's the talent was outstanding on both sides of the ball. Favre was a great player but it does get tiring that people seem to think he was surrounded by JV players.

[Zool]

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The truth is, Favre had lots of talented skill position players with him. If anyone isn't getting the credit where credit is due, it is the players in the list above. It is a misconception that Favre often had little talent with which to work. You don't have to degrade the players he played with to build up the Favre mystique.

When the team wins the QB generally gets credit. When the team loses the QB often times gets the blame...well known fact.

I've never degraded specific players Favre played with.

Why do so many here try SO hard to discredit Favre?

Actually you specfically said he had "very little" to work with most of the time. Thats pretty degrading to Patlers list. Why try so hard to defend him?

[Gunakor]

I wish the negativity would stop too, but I completely understand why it continues. Favre, even after leaving Green Bay, had nothing but negativity to say about the Packers too. It's completely understandable that some Packer fans would take issue with that. Now, enough time has passed that it should have died down - and it has to a large degree. You don't log in to find 20 Favre threads on the front page anymore. But it won't completely go away unless those on both sides of that fence let it go. Those who criticize Favre as well as those who steadfastly defend him.

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Gunakor, I agree with wishing the negativity would stop, however, I do have a problem with the bolded above. I don't recall Favre having nothing but negative to say about the PACKERS, hell, he tried with all his mite to return to the team he loved. He had issues with TT and/or MM....(who knows, we weren't there) He wanted to continue to play and they didn't want him.....he moved on. How can you say he had nothing but negative to say about the Packers? He had nothing but good to say about his years playing in Green Bay for the Green Bay Packers........minus the TT aspect.

He said that the Packers are a dishonest organization. That's not keeping his criticisms contained to Ted Thompson, that's a broad statement about the organization as a whole. He said this after his Jets season was over, when asked if he'd ever return to Green Bay to have his number retired. I personally took real issue with this, and many others had as well.

P.S. If he really wanted to continue his career here in Green Bay he could have. He didn't want to. At least not under the conditions that were set forth by those in charge. That's what the whole 6 hour heart to heart between him and McCarthy was about.

[Gunakor]

Yes.
Now unless you haven't been reading PR the last while or are blind, you will notice all the negative shit being thrown about Favre lately.

I can ask the same. He's a lock for HOF, why do people continue to insinuate he was not what he was and bad mouth him now? It's crazy.

It is crazy. But, it doesn't matter. That's the point.

[Patler]

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The truth is, Favre had lots of talented skill position players with him. If anyone isn't getting the credit where credit is due, it is the players in the list above. It is a misconception that Favre often had little talent with which to work. You don't have to degrade the players he played with to build up the Favre mystique.

When the team wins the QB generally gets credit. When the team loses the QB often times gets the blame...well known fact.

I've never degraded specific players Favre played with.

Why do so many here try SO hard to discredit Favre?

Now there is another accusation I just don't understand. I don't see many trying to discredit Favre. I'm sorry, but he was far from perfect as a player, and there were many others who also contributed to the success of the Packers. That's not discrediting Favre. It's being realistic.

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The truth is, Favre had lots of talented skill position players with him. If anyone isn't getting the credit where credit is due, it is the players in the list above. It is a misconception that Favre often had little talent with which to work. You don't have to degrade the players he played with to build up the Favre mystique.

When the team wins the QB generally gets credit. When the team loses the QB often times gets the blame...well known fact.

I've never degraded specific players Favre played with.

Why do so many here try SO hard to discredit Favre?

Now there is another accusation I just don't understand. I don't see many trying to discredit Favre. I'm sorry, but he was far from perfect as a player, and there were many others who also contributed to the success of the Packers. That's not discrediting Favre. It's being realistic.

She just doesn't want to have to take down all her Brett posters from the wall... as extreme as some people are against Brett, it's safe to say there are just as many people on the other side of the fence.

[Fritz]

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Roll your eyes all you want - but let's be real. Favre often had good if not very good players around him.

Often time....not ALL the time. He did well with little very often and is not getting credit where credit is due here. That's all I'm saying.

Very often? Really? I will give you 2005 because of injuries, but what other year?

1992 - Sharpe, Jackie Harris, Edgar Bennett
1993 - Sharpe, Jackie Harris, Edgar Bennett, Brooks
1994 - Sharpe, Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Chmura
1995 - Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Chmura, Levens
1996 - Freeman, Rison, Jackson, Bennett, Chmura, Levens, Beebe
1997 - Freeman, Brooks, Chmura, Levens, Henderson
1998 - Freeman, Brooks, Chmura, Levens, Henderson, Schroeder
1999 - Freeman, Schroeder, Levens, Bradford, Henderson
2000 - Freeman, Schroeder, Levens, Green, Driver, Henderson
2001 - Freeman, Schroeder, Green, Bradford, Franks, Levens, Driver, Henderson
2002 - Driver, Green, Glenn, Franks, Henderson, Walker, Ferguson
2003 - Driver, Green, Walker, Franks, Henderson, Ferguson, Fisher, Walls
2004 - Walker, Driver, Green Fisher, Franks, Henderson, Ferguson
2005 - 'nuff said!
2006 - Driver, Green, Jennings, Franks, Herron
2007 - Driver, Jennings, Lee, Jones, Grant.

The truth is, Favre had lots of talented skill position players with him. If anyone isn't getting the credit where credit is due, it is the players in the list above. It is a misconception that Favre often had little talent with which to work. You don't have to degrade the players he played with to build up the Favre mystique.

patler, you were rolling until you put Ferguson's name on that list...dude, you know you're going to get smoked on that one...

I would be curious as to why you included Noah Herron.