Excellent Analysis on Rodgers

[Patler]

patler, you were rolling until you put Ferguson's name on that list...dude, you know you're going to get smoked on that one...

I would be curious as to why you included Noah Herron.

Actually, I was wondering who would be noted first, Ferguson or "Alligator Arms" Bill Schroeder!

Truth be told, I just took the top few names off the list of receivers each year, and guys like Ferguson, Herron, Fisher etc. showed up!

[Zool]

patler, you were rolling until you put Ferguson's name on that list...dude, you know you're going to get smoked on that one...

I would be curious as to why you included Noah Herron.

Actually, I was wondering who would be noted first, Ferguson or "Alligator Arms" Bill Schroeder!

Truth be told, I just took the top few names off the list of receivers each year, and guys like Ferguson, Herron, Fisher etc. showed up!

I laughed at no brain Schroeder.

[cpk1994]

Same old thread.

Thats awesome.

[mraynrand]

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Roll your eyes all you want - but let's be real. Favre often had good if not very good players around him.

Often time....not ALL the time. He did well with little very often and is not getting credit where credit is due here. That's all I'm saying.

Very often? Really? I will give you 2005 because of injuries, but what other year?

1992 - Sharpe, Jackie Harris, Edgar Bennett
1993 - Sharpe, Jackie Harris, Edgar Bennett, Brooks
1994 - Sharpe, Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Chmura
1995 - Brooks, Edgar Bennett, Chmura, Levens
1996 - Freeman, Rison, Jackson, Bennett, Chmura, Levens, Beebe
1997 - Freeman, Brooks, Chmura, Levens, Henderson
1998 - Freeman, Brooks, Chmura, Levens, Henderson, Schroeder
1999 - Freeman, Schroeder, Levens, Bradford, Henderson
2000 - Freeman, Schroeder, Levens, Green, Driver, Henderson
2001 - Freeman, Schroeder, Green, Bradford, Franks, Levens, Driver, Henderson
2002 - Driver, Green, Glenn, Franks, Henderson, Walker, Ferguson
2003 - Driver, Green, Walker, Franks, Henderson, Ferguson, Fisher, Walls
2004 - Walker, Driver, Green Fisher, Franks, Henderson, Ferguson
2005 - 'nuff said!
2006 - Driver, Green, Jennings, Franks, Herron
2007 - Driver, Jennings, Lee, Jones, Grant.

The truth is, Favre had lots of talented skill position players with him. If anyone isn't getting the credit where credit is due, it is the players in the list above. It is a misconception that Favre often had little talent with which to work. You don't have to degrade the players he played with to build up the Favre mystique.

I bolded the guys I thought had very good or better years (Henderson probably should be included more, but he went up and down as far as years he contributed more and less. Talent started to peter out after 1998. Freeman tanked. Talent was only average at wide out for a long stretch. Walker had about a year and a half. Green's contributions cannot be underestimated. He was a dominant back receiving and running for 5 straight years.

[Cheesehead Craig]

If Rodgers had the sort of skills these guys had, the Packers would have gotten rid of Favre a year earlier than they did imho, maybe two years earlier.

If Brady was behind Favre in GB, he would not have started until Rodgers did. It was far more who was the QB at the time than it was a knock on Rodgers. There wasn't a QB in the league that would have started for the Packers before last season over Favre.

[cpk1994]

I wish the negativity would stop too, but I completely understand why it continues. Favre, even after leaving Green Bay, had nothing but negativity to say about the Packers too. It's completely understandable that some Packer fans would take issue with that. Now, enough time has passed that it should have died down - and it has to a large degree. You don't log in to find 20 Favre threads on the front page anymore. But it won't completely go away unless those on both sides of that fence let it go. Those who criticize Favre as well as those who steadfastly defend him.

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Gunakor, I agree with wishing the negativity would stop, however, I do have a problem with the bolded above. I don't recall Favre having nothing but negative to say about the PACKERS, hell, he tried with all his mite to return to the team he loved. He had issues with TT and/or MM....(who knows, we weren't there) He wanted to continue to play and they didn't want him.....he moved on. How can you say he had nothing but negative to say about the Packers? He had nothing but good to say about his years playing in Green Bay for the Green Bay Packers........minus the TT aspect.

Do we really have to play back the Greta intervew for you? And also, he didn't move on until he was forced to.

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Seasons: I see a huge difference in knowledge of the offense from a 5th year player, even if he's on the bench, to a 2nd and a still sizable difference from a 3rd year player. HUGE.

I don't know why you all went in with such low expectations for Aaron. He was groomed to do this for 4 years. An average season for him should be 2008 based on his draft position, physical skills, knowledge of the offense, experience, etc.

Brady coming in as a result of Bledsoe getting hurt: Sure, I agree this is true. But, he seized the reins and did quite while. BB, the best coach in NFL history, felt confident enough in his 2nd year 6th round pick to hand the reins over.

Did you still A-Rod in his second year? Yeesh.. Ugly in his limited action, and just as bad against the backups in extended action in Preseason. I know that if the Favre went down, their is a zero percent chance the Packers would have gone with Rodgers when they were in the thick of a playoff chase.

Clearly, the people in the know in NEs FO knew what Brady could do, otherwise we would have seen a veteran brought in to lead the team into the playoffs.

Talent around Favre: Sure, there are some nice names, but how many of those people were great players? Few. Ron Wolf has noted on numerous times that he regrets not putting better quality talent around Favre. I'd respect his opinion on the matter. IMO, Favre made a lot of those players careers.

Patler, that list is so unlike you. Rison... really? really?

[mraynrand]

To make the point: No QB can do very well without some talent around him. I need only point to Steve Young in Tampa to make my point. Favre had enough talent on a lot of teams. But if you look at the rosters of the Packers with Favre, on both sides of the ball, take into account injuries, the Packers played right up to their talent level about every year. And almost every year, with the exception of his first two years and later with Ahman Green, Favre was the best player on the team, and almost always in the top 5 in the league at his position.

[mraynrand]

I wish the negativity would stop too, but I completely understand why it continues. Favre, even after leaving Green Bay, had nothing but negativity to say about the Packers too. It's completely understandable that some Packer fans would take issue with that. Now, enough time has passed that it should have died down - and it has to a large degree. You don't log in to find 20 Favre threads on the front page anymore. But it won't completely go away unless those on both sides of that fence let it go. Those who criticize Favre as well as those who steadfastly defend him.

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Gunakor, I agree with wishing the negativity would stop, however, I do have a problem with the bolded above. I don't recall Favre having nothing but negative to say about the PACKERS, hell, he tried with all his mite to return to the team he loved. He had issues with TT and/or MM....(who knows, we weren't there) He wanted to continue to play and they didn't want him.....he moved on. How can you say he had nothing but negative to say about the Packers? He had nothing but good to say about his years playing in Green Bay for the Green Bay Packers........minus the TT aspect.

Do we really have to play back the Greta intervew for you? And also, he didn't move on until he was forced to.

The Greta interview is when Favre jumped the shark.

[cpk1994]

Seasons: I see a huge difference in knowledge of the offense from a 5th year player, even if he's on the bench, to a 2nd and a still sizable difference from a 3rd year player. HUGE.

I don't know why you all went in with such low expectations for Aaron. He was groomed to do this for 4 years. An average season for him should be 2008 based on his draft position, physical skills, knowledge of the offense, experience, etc.

Brady coming in as a result of Bledsoe getting hurt: Sure, I agree this is true. But, he seized the reins and did quite while. BB, the best coach in NFL history, felt confident enough in his 2nd year 6th round pick to hand the reins over.

Did you still A-Rod in his second year? Yeesh.. Ugly in his limited action, and just as bad against the backups in extended action in Preseason. I know that if the Favre went down, their is a zero percent chance the Packers would have gone with Rodgers when they were in the thick of a playoff chase.

Clearly, the people in the know in NEs FO knew what Brady could do, otherwise we would have seen a veteran brought in to lead the team into the playoffs.

Talent around Favre: Sure, there are some nice names, but how many of those people were great players? Few. Ron Wolf has noted on numerous times that he regrets not putting better quality talent around Favre. I'd respect his opinion on the matter. IMO, Favre made a lot of those players careers.

Patler, that list is so unlike you. Rison... really? really?

Whgy not? You boy, Ron Wolf, the man who's opinion you regard highy is the one who brought him in, and that was not the first time he tried. Obviously you don't respect Wolf's opinion as much as you calim if you are going to knock on a Pro Bowl reciever.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Seasons: I see a huge difference in knowledge of the offense from a 5th year player, even if he's on the bench, to a 2nd and a still sizable difference from a 3rd year player. HUGE.

I don't know why you all went in with such low expectations for Aaron. He was groomed to do this for 4 years. An average season for him should be 2008 based on his draft position, physical skills, knowledge of the offense, experience, etc.

Another point I've corrected you on, but you continue to forget--further prooving you don't comprehend what people tell you. It was Aaron's 4th year in the NFL last year. He sat on the bench for three years. Quit putting the extra year on his experience card.

[DannoMac21]

I don't see the difference. A-Rod happened to make it one complete season thus far. He was even hurt and less effective for much of this one.

How exactly am I an asshole? You're callling names, ignoring questions, etc. Essentially flaming a conversation, because you're not bringing any debate or points to the table.

Because the only debate between true Packer fans is if one of their "fans", Partial, is mentally retarded. Although, I'm strongly leaning towards the "yes" side of that. You really are a dumbass man. Diana probably gets Brett's dick wet a lot, I don't think he needs his dick partially wet, pun intended.

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Seasons: I see a huge difference in knowledge of the offense from a 5th year player, even if he's on the bench, to a 2nd and a still sizable difference from a 3rd year player. HUGE.

I don't know why you all went in with such low expectations for Aaron. He was groomed to do this for 4 years. An average season for him should be 2008 based on his draft position, physical skills, knowledge of the offense, experience, etc.

Another point I've corrected you on, but you continue to forget--further prooving you don't comprehend what people tell you. It was Aaron's 4th year in the NFL last year. He sat on the bench for three years. Quit putting the extra year on his experience card.

Right.. he's a 5th year player Harv... This will be his 5th season.

[Partial]

Seasons: I see a huge difference in knowledge of the offense from a 5th year player, even if he's on the bench, to a 2nd and a still sizable difference from a 3rd year player. HUGE.

I don't know why you all went in with such low expectations for Aaron. He was groomed to do this for 4 years. An average season for him should be 2008 based on his draft position, physical skills, knowledge of the offense, experience, etc.

Brady coming in as a result of Bledsoe getting hurt: Sure, I agree this is true. But, he seized the reins and did quite while. BB, the best coach in NFL history, felt confident enough in his 2nd year 6th round pick to hand the reins over.

Did you still A-Rod in his second year? Yeesh.. Ugly in his limited action, and just as bad against the backups in extended action in Preseason. I know that if the Favre went down, their is a zero percent chance the Packers would have gone with Rodgers when they were in the thick of a playoff chase.

Clearly, the people in the know in NEs FO knew what Brady could do, otherwise we would have seen a veteran brought in to lead the team into the playoffs.

Talent around Favre: Sure, there are some nice names, but how many of those people were great players? Few. Ron Wolf has noted on numerous times that he regrets not putting better quality talent around Favre. I'd respect his opinion on the matter. IMO, Favre made a lot of those players careers.

Patler, that list is so unlike you. Rison... really? really?

Whgy not? You boy, Ron Wolf, the man who's opinion you regard highy is the one who brought him in, and that was not the first time he tried. Obviously you don't respect Wolf's opinion as much as you calim if you are going to knock on a Pro Bowl reciever.

What?

[Partial]

I don't see the difference. A-Rod happened to make it one complete season thus far. He was even hurt and less effective for much of this one.

How exactly am I an asshole? You're callling names, ignoring questions, etc. Essentially flaming a conversation, because you're not bringing any debate or points to the table.

Because the only debate between true Packer fans is if one of their "fans", Partial, is mentally retarded. Although, I'm strongly leaning towards the "yes" side of that. You really are a dumbass man. Diana probably gets Brett's dick wet a lot, I don't think he needs his dick partially wet, pun intended.

This isn't even coherent, and I'm the retard.. Right..