Excellent Analysis on Rodgers

[Patler]

Patler, that list is so unlike you. Rison... really? really?

What's wrong with Andre Rison?
#29 all-time in receiving yards with 10,205
#29 all-time in receptions with 743
#14 all-time in receiving TDs with 84

Pretty darn good career, and he wasn't "made" by Favre.
Some have suggested on here that Driver could be considered for the HOF (I disagree). Driver has a long way to go to catch Andre Rison's career numbers, and I doubt that he will do it.

[Partial]

He played in 5 games for the Packers, including playoffs. 13 total receptions. As Harv and I believe yourself have mentioned on multiple occasions, he really had a minimal impact, and if it wasn't for the big super bowl reception, most people probably wouldn't remember he was on the Packers.

[DannoMac21]

I don't see the difference. A-Rod happened to make it one complete season thus far. He was even hurt and less effective for much of this one.

How exactly am I an asshole? You're callling names, ignoring questions, etc. Essentially flaming a conversation, because you're not bringing any debate or points to the table.

Because the only debate between true Packer fans is if one of their "fans", Partial, is mentally retarded. Although, I'm strongly leaning towards the "yes" side of that. You really are a dumbass man. Diana probably gets Brett's dick wet a lot, I don't think he needs his dick partially wet, pun intended.

This isn't even coherent, and I'm the retard.. Right..

Isn't coherent or you simply just don't understand? That seems to be your common theme.

[GrnBay007]

And I thought this post started at maximum stupidity...

Stupid huh? nice!

Is it anymore "stupid" than posting homo porn shit and then crying when it gets taken off the forum?

[Lurker64]

Right.. he's a 5th year player Harv... This will be his 5th season.

More illuminating than his years of experience, I believe, is his age, as everybody who is going to be playing in the NFL will have started learning the game of football at about the same age. When the Packers drafted him, he was four months into being 21 years old, being a junior college transfer with only 2 years of NCAA experience. He's currently 25 years old, about a month older than Joe Flacco, six months younger than Jay Cutler, and a year and a half older than Matt Ryan (also 6 months younger than Vince Young and Matt Leinart).

When you draft a redshirt sophomore, you have different expectations of that player in this third year than if you draft a four year starter in a big program. Rodgers played only 2 years at Cal, so he was absolutely not ready for the NFL and about 2-3 years on the bench would be what it would take to get him ready for the NFL. A guy like Jay Cutler, started for four years at Vanderbilt, and was a lot closer to ready when he was drafted.

So I don't think it's fair to equate all four year veterans, or all five year veterans, or all rookies or whatever. Not everybody comes in equal, and not everybody develops at the same pace. Rodgers is still very young, he's far from his ceiling, and he's going to get better for years to come. To just dismiss him because in three weeks it will be the fourth anniversary of when he was drafted is sort of missing the point that he came in quite talented, but far from "NFL-ready". He's now certainly NFL ready, he just needs to get into the part where he's perfecting his game, which is something you can only do by actually playing.

[ThunderDan]

Seasons: I see a huge difference in knowledge of the offense from a 5th year player, even if he's on the bench, to a 2nd and a still sizable difference from a 3rd year player. HUGE.

I don't know why you all went in with such low expectations for Aaron. He was groomed to do this for 4 years. An average season for him should be 2008 based on his draft position, physical skills, knowledge of the offense, experience, etc.

Another point I've corrected you on, but you continue to forget--further prooving you don't comprehend what people tell you. It was Aaron's 4th year in the NFL last year. He sat on the bench for three years. Quit putting the extra year on his experience card.

Right.. he's a 5th year player Harv... This will be his 5th season.

This is why you are a dumb ass. Rodgers has 4 NFL years, he was groomed for 3 years to replace Brett. Yet, you will argue that you are correct when you and the rest of the world know you are wrong.

For this reason, I suggest to all forum posters that we ignore any and all Partial posts until 5/1/09. I am done responding to this moronic dribble.

[PlantPage55]

For this reason, I suggest to all forum posters that we ignore any and all Partial posts until 5/1/09. I am done responding to this moronic dribble.

Why only until the 1st of May?

He ignores posts that properly disprove his points, so why not ignore his constantly?

[Partial]

Is one not groomed to be a starting quarterback while they are the starting quarterback?

Age: I don't think the age has anything to do with his potential. He has an NFL body now. He's looking HUGE in those recent pics, so I don't think he'll get much bigger or stronger.

Take a linemen for example. The first few years they take time to grow into an NFL body. Then, for the most part, they are who they are during their prime.

In what regards do we think Rodgers will improve tremendously?

Coherent: No, it's not coherent.

[Patler]

He played in 5 games for the Packers, including playoffs. 13 total receptions. As Harv and I believe yourself have mentioned on multiple occasions, he really had a minimal impact, and if it wasn't for the big super bowl reception, most people probably wouldn't remember he was on the Packers.

Sure but he is a player that was available to Favre those games, and the allegation was that Favre often didn't have good quality players available to him. Rison is just another of the talented player with whom Favre played, and interestingly enough, one that Wolf didn't think he needed to bring back the following year because of others on the roster. Letting him go suggests that others on the roster were pretty darn talented, too.

[Brandon494]

And the winner of the dumbest post of the year goes to.....

[Partial]

Rison wasn't the same player after GB. Don't know what caused it, too young, but if you look at his stats they dramatically drop off.

[cheesner]

Is one not groomed to be a starting quarterback while they are the starting quarterback?

NO.


groom
Function:
verb
Date:
1809
transitive verb
1 : to clean and maintain the appearance of (as the coat of a horse or dog)
2 : to make neat or attractive <an impeccably groomed woman>
3 : to get into readiness for a specific objective : prepare


And in case you want to argue the meaning of 'Prepare'

Prepare:
transitive verb
1 a: to make ready beforehand for some purpose, use, or activity <prepare food for dinner> b: to put in a proper state of mind <is prepared to listen>


In case you want to argue the words 'ready' and 'beforehand'

. . .

ahhh, why bother?

[Partial]

Ok, but one has to assume that he is preparing in the exact same manner. Back-ups prepare as if they're going to play.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Right.. he's a 5th year player Harv... This will be his 5th season.

This year, but you are judging his 4th year. The year in which our first year starter had 3 years to be groomed.

I don't know why you all went in with such low expectations for Aaron. He was groomed to do this for 4 years.

[Pugger]

What makes us crazy is folks like Partial just automatically think AR has hit his ceiling. He thinks he's not going to get any better and that is just nonsense. There is no way in hell he can know this unless his 8-ball told him so. No one can predict the future. Will AR fall on his face next year or will he be even better? NOBODY KNOWS. Sheesh.