Blind Faith: Is this TT's last year at GM?

[sharpe1027]

I agree to a point Sharpe, but then again, we'll have to stay injury free for us to go 10-6. Possible? Yes. But I don't see many young guys stepping up this year from the previous drafts to elevate us if injuries happen (most likely will occur), thus my stance for an impact rookie for once.

I've been mellowing over the last week about it though, and Snake would be happy for a stud (whether it's over 1-3 years)..Just would be nice for once to get that stud in year 1...if not, and if injuries occur again, it looks like TT might miss the playoffs for the 4th time in 5 years (thus, back to topic, if we tank again....this may be it for Big Time Ted).

I don't know about injury free, just not decimated at certain positions. Even with some pretty big injuries to the defense last year, they were competive in almost every game. They were able to take injuries on the O-line, cornerback and saftey positions without imploding. The loses of the D-line and LBer positions are what really hurt, IMO.

You don't see Rodgers as a possible guy to make a big step forward this year? How about T. Will? Bigby? Finley? Colledge? Sitton? Harrell? J. Thompson? Nelson? Jackson? Maybe none of these guys will step up, but I think you can agree that it is not too far-fetch to have a reasonable hope that a few of the guys will.

I agree that it is time to win for this group. If MM can't get it done, he needs to go and TT should be right behind him.

[Waldo]

FYI, yes, you guys are "homers"... would rather have the Packers roster than the Steelers???

I'd take their defensive front 7 and Troy P....

But I surely would take our offense over theirs and our secondary (swap Troy P for Bigby).

Offensively, it isn't even close. The Packers are a high powered offense. The Steelers are good enough to get by with their defense.

At some point you have to recognize historical identity. The Packers, just like the Steelers, have not lost sight of who they are for a very long time. The Packers are an air superiority team. Minus a few years here and there, that goes back all the way to WW2 for us. In good times and bad, when we win and are a good team, we do it the Packer way, shred their secondary.

The Steelers are a good team, and are riding a high right now, but the Packers way of winning works too, we've proven it before, and we'll prove it again.

[PackerBlues]

Teams GB lost to last year (10 of them) and their final records:


Dallas: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC East... Beat GB 27-16

Tampa Bay: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC South... Beat GB 30-21

Atlanta: 11-5 ended up 2nd in NFC South... Beat GB 27-24

Tennesee: ended up 1st in AFC South... Beat GB 19-16

Vikings: 10-6 ended up 1st in NFC North... Beat GB 28-27

New Orleans: 8-8 ended up last in NFC South... Beat GB 51-29

Panthers: 12-4 ended up 1st in NFC South... Beat GB 35-31

Houston: 8-8 ended up 3rd in AFC South... Beat GB 24-21

Jaguars: 5-11 ended up last in AFC South... Beat GB 20-16

Chicago: 9-7 ended up 2nd in NFC North... Beat GB 20-17

The Packers 6 wins came against the Vikings in the season opener in GB, two wins against the great 0-16 Lions, a Seatle team that sucked ass, the Colts in GB (woot! Bite it Manning!), and Chicago.

Does this sound like a Packer team that is going to improve that damned much through the draft? Not likely. Every year since Thompson came to town its been the same damned thing. It seems like the most exciting thing Packer fans get to look forward to every year is the draft.

I read through all of the posts in this thread......people still expecting Harrell to be the second coming of Reggie White.....sad. I think he may be the second coming of Clitedious Hunt, and thats if we are lucky.

Face it, the Packers have done nothing but slump under Thompson. Keep telling yourselves that "next year" will be better. Keep telling anyone who will still listen to you, that Thompson's drafts will make this team better.......some day. One or two draft picks out of 10 or so every year (thanks to Thompson always trading down, not up) is not going to turn this team around.

Anyone think Thompson will trade up this year? Not likely. Anyone think Thompson will use a draft pick or two to trade for another teams stud during the draft? Not likely. This year will be the same as any other, Thompson may actually use his 1st round pick at #9, but I fully expect him to trade down more again this year........How exciting, lol.

How many starters will Thompson get out of the draft this year? How many new starters would the team need to improve from 6-10? How many more years will Thompson get to squander the talent that the team has now?

[Bossman641]

Teams GB lost to last year (10 of them) and their final records:


Dallas: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC East... Beat GB 27-16

Tampa Bay: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC South... Beat GB 30-21

Atlanta: 11-5 ended up 2nd in NFC South... Beat GB 27-24

Tennesee: ended up 1st in AFC South... Beat GB 19-16

Vikings: 10-6 ended up 1st in NFC North... Beat GB 28-27

New Orleans: 8-8 ended up last in NFC South... Beat GB 51-29

Panthers: 12-4 ended up 1st in NFC South... Beat GB 35-31

Houston: 8-8 ended up 3rd in AFC South... Beat GB 24-21

Jaguars: 5-11 ended up last in AFC South... Beat GB 20-16

Chicago: 9-7 ended up 2nd in NFC North... Beat GB 20-17

The Packers 6 wins came against the Vikings in the season opener in GB, two wins against the great 0-16 Lions, a Seatle team that sucked ass, the Colts in GB (woot! Bite it Manning!), and Chicago.

Does this sound like a Packer team that is going to improve that damned much through the draft? Not likely. Every year since Thompson came to town its been the same damned thing. It seems like the most exciting thing Packer fans get to look forward to every year is the draft.

I read through all of the posts in this thread......people still expecting Harrell to be the second coming of Reggie White.....sad. I think he may be the second coming of Clitedious Hunt, and thats if we are lucky.

Face it, the Packers have done nothing but slump under Thompson. Keep telling yourselves that "next year" will be better. Keep telling anyone who will still listen to you, that Thompson's drafts will make this team better.......some day. One or two draft picks out of 10 or so every year (thanks to Thompson always trading down, not up) is not going to turn this team around.

Anyone think Thompson will trade up this year? Not likely. Anyone think Thompson will use a draft pick or two to trade for another teams stud during the draft? Not likely. This year will be the same as any other, Thompson may actually use his 1st round pick at #9, but I fully expect him to trade down more again this year........How exciting, lol.

How many starters will Thompson get out of the draft this year? How many new starters would the team need to improve from 6-10? How many more years will Thompson get to squander the talent that the team has now?

That 2007 season when we were "this" close to going to the SB must have been a real bummer for you PB.

[wist43]

FYI, yes, you guys are "homers"... would rather have the Packers roster than the Steelers???

I'd take their defensive front 7 and Troy P....

But I surely would take our offense over theirs and our secondary (swap Troy P for Bigby).

Offensively, it isn't even close. The Packers are a high powered offense. The Steelers are good enough to get by with their defense.

At some point you have to recognize historical identity. The Packers, just like the Steelers, have not lost sight of who they are for a very long time. The Packers are an air superiority team. Minus a few years here and there, that goes back all the way to WW2 for us. In good times and bad, when we win and are a good team, we do it the Packer way, shred their secondary.

The Steelers are a good team, and are riding a high right now, but the Packers way of winning works too, we've proven it before, and we'll prove it again.

True... however, I'm a defense first guy; and, while GB's offense may put up better numbers, the Steelers philosophy of grinding an opponent down is much more effective over the long haul IMO.

To the Steelers, punting isn't the end of the world... In GB, punting means giving up points.

[PackerBlues]

Teams GB lost to last year (10 of them) and their final records:


Dallas: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC East... Beat GB 27-16

Tampa Bay: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC South... Beat GB 30-21

Atlanta: 11-5 ended up 2nd in NFC South... Beat GB 27-24

Tennesee: ended up 1st in AFC South... Beat GB 19-16

Vikings: 10-6 ended up 1st in NFC North... Beat GB 28-27

New Orleans: 8-8 ended up last in NFC South... Beat GB 51-29

Panthers: 12-4 ended up 1st in NFC South... Beat GB 35-31

Houston: 8-8 ended up 3rd in AFC South... Beat GB 24-21

Jaguars: 5-11 ended up last in AFC South... Beat GB 20-16

Chicago: 9-7 ended up 2nd in NFC North... Beat GB 20-17

The Packers 6 wins came against the Vikings in the season opener in GB, two wins against the great 0-16 Lions, a Seatle team that sucked ass, the Colts in GB (woot! Bite it Manning!), and Chicago.

Does this sound like a Packer team that is going to improve that damned much through the draft? Not likely. Every year since Thompson came to town its been the same damned thing. It seems like the most exciting thing Packer fans get to look forward to every year is the draft.

I read through all of the posts in this thread......people still expecting Harrell to be the second coming of Reggie White.....sad. I think he may be the second coming of Clitedious Hunt, and thats if we are lucky.

Face it, the Packers have done nothing but slump under Thompson. Keep telling yourselves that "next year" will be better. Keep telling anyone who will still listen to you, that Thompson's drafts will make this team better.......some day. One or two draft picks out of 10 or so every year (thanks to Thompson always trading down, not up) is not going to turn this team around.

Anyone think Thompson will trade up this year? Not likely. Anyone think Thompson will use a draft pick or two to trade for another teams stud during the draft? Not likely. This year will be the same as any other, Thompson may actually use his 1st round pick at #9, but I fully expect him to trade down more again this year........How exciting, lol.

How many starters will Thompson get out of the draft this year? How many new starters would the team need to improve from 6-10? How many more years will Thompson get to squander the talent that the team has now?

That 2007 season when we were "this" close to going to the SB must have been a real bummer for you PB.

Nah, didn't bum me out at all. We had Favre, and it was exciting watching Favre carry such an average team....nothing like the all to average Mr. Rogers, who so far, does not seem to have "IT". Nice stats for the average Mr. Rogers, but there is nothing special there.

[Waldo]

FYI, yes, you guys are "homers"... would rather have the Packers roster than the Steelers???

I'd take their defensive front 7 and Troy P....

But I surely would take our offense over theirs and our secondary (swap Troy P for Bigby).

Offensively, it isn't even close. The Packers are a high powered offense. The Steelers are good enough to get by with their defense.

At some point you have to recognize historical identity. The Packers, just like the Steelers, have not lost sight of who they are for a very long time. The Packers are an air superiority team. Minus a few years here and there, that goes back all the way to WW2 for us. In good times and bad, when we win and are a good team, we do it the Packer way, shred their secondary.

The Steelers are a good team, and are riding a high right now, but the Packers way of winning works too, we've proven it before, and we'll prove it again.

True... however, I'm a defense first guy; and, while GB's offense may put up better numbers, the Steelers philosophy of grinding an opponent down is much more effective over the long haul IMO.

To the Steelers, punting isn't the end of the world... In GB, punting means giving up points.

Well if you don't like the Packers philosophy to football, my guess is you probably are going to want to switch teams, and I'm not sure how you became a Packer fan in the first place. My guess is the Packers identity is something that they make an effort to keep intact and will do so for a very long time. Like eternity.

Grinding you down..........

That is how the Bears play ball.

[Bossman641]

Teams GB lost to last year (10 of them) and their final records:


Dallas: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC East... Beat GB 27-16

Tampa Bay: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC South... Beat GB 30-21

Atlanta: 11-5 ended up 2nd in NFC South... Beat GB 27-24

Tennesee: ended up 1st in AFC South... Beat GB 19-16

Vikings: 10-6 ended up 1st in NFC North... Beat GB 28-27

New Orleans: 8-8 ended up last in NFC South... Beat GB 51-29

Panthers: 12-4 ended up 1st in NFC South... Beat GB 35-31

Houston: 8-8 ended up 3rd in AFC South... Beat GB 24-21

Jaguars: 5-11 ended up last in AFC South... Beat GB 20-16

Chicago: 9-7 ended up 2nd in NFC North... Beat GB 20-17

The Packers 6 wins came against the Vikings in the season opener in GB, two wins against the great 0-16 Lions, a Seatle team that sucked ass, the Colts in GB (woot! Bite it Manning!), and Chicago.

Does this sound like a Packer team that is going to improve that damned much through the draft? Not likely. Every year since Thompson came to town its been the same damned thing. It seems like the most exciting thing Packer fans get to look forward to every year is the draft.

I read through all of the posts in this thread......people still expecting Harrell to be the second coming of Reggie White.....sad. I think he may be the second coming of Clitedious Hunt, and thats if we are lucky.

Face it, the Packers have done nothing but slump under Thompson. Keep telling yourselves that "next year" will be better. Keep telling anyone who will still listen to you, that Thompson's drafts will make this team better.......some day. One or two draft picks out of 10 or so every year (thanks to Thompson always trading down, not up) is not going to turn this team around.

Anyone think Thompson will trade up this year? Not likely. Anyone think Thompson will use a draft pick or two to trade for another teams stud during the draft? Not likely. This year will be the same as any other, Thompson may actually use his 1st round pick at #9, but I fully expect him to trade down more again this year........How exciting, lol.

How many starters will Thompson get out of the draft this year? How many new starters would the team need to improve from 6-10? How many more years will Thompson get to squander the talent that the team has now?

That 2007 season when we were "this" close to going to the SB must have been a real bummer for you PB.

Nah, didn't bum me out at all. We had Favre, and it was exciting watching Favre carry such an average team....nothing like the all to average Mr. Rogers, who so far, does not seem to have "IT". Nice stats for the average Mr. Rogers, but there is nothing special there.

Average team? I'm not gonna get into this again because it's been covered far too many times. The 2007 team was far from average. The main difference was they had a defense that actually stopped people from time to time and didn't hemorrhage points like the 2008 defense. Unless Favre was suiting up on defense or you want to trot out the tired "Favre inspired the team (really? DEFENSE and SPECIAL TEAMS?)" BS I'm not buying the Favre carrying the average team line.

[Zool]

Steelers were 5th in the league in TOP and the Packers 10th.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stats/?cat=team&pan=14

Packers were 17th in rushing ypg, Steelers 23rd.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=rypg&pos=off&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008

Packers Team Rushing - 437, 1805, 4.1
Steelers Team Rushing - 460, 1690, 3.7

So the Steelers ground opponents down to the tune of 1.4 extra rushes per game and -.4 yards per carry.

Just for kicks

Bears were:
29th in TOP
24th in Rushing YPG
434, 1673, 3.9

Vikings were:
9th in TOP
5th in Rush YPG
519, 2332, 4.5

This misconception about the Packers O is getting out of hand. While I will agree with Wist about 98% of the time with his stand on the other side of the ball, the O is just fine. 1st year starting QB making some shaky decisions early in the season is about as common as you can get. The guy got better as the season went on as would be expected.

If Capers and the staff can get the D at least to respectable again this season, it will be a good year. If they can build a top 10 D deep playoff runs will be had.

[PlantPage55]

Does this sound like a Packer team that is going to improve that damned much through the draft? Not likely. Every year since Thompson came to town its been the same damned thing.

Go back 1 year. Does this (2007) Packer team sound like one that is going to lose 9 more games than they did this year?

There was so much wrong with your post that it gave me cancer.

[cheesner]

The discussion, for me, was whether or not an immediate stud (near probowl level?) player was needed from this year's draft. I disagree with the premise that this level of player must be found in this year's draft because of a perceived lack of activity in free agency and trades. Obviously it would be nice to have one.

We will be adding at least 3 'studs' this season. Cullen Jenkins; Nick Barnett, and Atari Bigby. There may be a player or 2 that also emerge this season into studs: Hawk, Jolly, and Harrell.

But requiring to get a 'stud' from the draft for success? Not necessary.

[cheesner]

never mind

[wist43]

FYI, yes, you guys are "homers"... would rather have the Packers roster than the Steelers???

I'd take their defensive front 7 and Troy P....

But I surely would take our offense over theirs and our secondary (swap Troy P for Bigby).

Offensively, it isn't even close. The Packers are a high powered offense. The Steelers are good enough to get by with their defense.

At some point you have to recognize historical identity. The Packers, just like the Steelers, have not lost sight of who they are for a very long time. The Packers are an air superiority team. Minus a few years here and there, that goes back all the way to WW2 for us. In good times and bad, when we win and are a good team, we do it the Packer way, shred their secondary.

The Steelers are a good team, and are riding a high right now, but the Packers way of winning works too, we've proven it before, and we'll prove it again.

True... however, I'm a defense first guy; and, while GB's offense may put up better numbers, the Steelers philosophy of grinding an opponent down is much more effective over the long haul IMO.

To the Steelers, punting isn't the end of the world... In GB, punting means giving up points.

Well if you don't like the Packers philosophy to football, my guess is you probably are going to want to switch teams, and I'm not sure how you became a Packer fan in the first place. My guess is the Packers identity is something that they make an effort to keep intact and will do so for a very long time. Like eternity.

Grinding you down..........

That is how the Bears play ball.

Get a grip asshole...

B/C we don't agree on philosophy doesn't make me any less a Packer fan... been rooting for the Packers since the 60's.

[PackerBlues]

B/C we don't agree on philosophy doesn't make me any less a Packer fan... been rooting for the Packers since the 60's.

Thats how it works in these forums wist, lol....... if there is something in particular u dont care for about the Packers, chumps around here will call u less of a Packer fan.
Dont like Thompson? To these guys, that makes u less of a fan.
Dont think Rogers has shown anything special? Again, these guys will call u less of a fan.
Dont care for how Thompson is "building through the draft" (LMFAO!!!) Again, less of a fan.

you have about 20 more years of being a Packer fan under your belt than me Wist, and you have seen a lot worse from GM's than what I have seen.

[Waldo]

When have the Packers ever been a "grind you down and beat you with defense" team? Early Lombardi era?

The Packers are a "shred your pass defense" team and have been for a very long time.

You can't expect them to just change their identity.