Flynn and Brohm get to work in offseason program

[RashanGary]

Count me in, with Partial, as a Brohm fan. Nothing is certain yet, but I liked the way he played in college. I like his physical tools. I like his attitude and I like the opportunity he has to work with good coaches. I expect him to be like any other young QB in a complex offense and struggle early but he'll come on starting this preseason.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not ready to write off Brohm, but the fact is: he looked like he didn't belong last year. Not with his arm strength, accuracy, or mobility. He also looked like a deer in the headlights, and he was supposed to be the most NFL ready rookie QB of last year--and probably one of the most NFL ready rookie QBs ever.

[Partial]

I'm not ready to write off Brohm, but the fact is: he looked like he didn't belong last year. Not with his arm strength, accuracy, or mobility. He also looked like a deer in the headlights, and he was supposed to be the most NFL ready rookie QB of last year--and probably one of the most NFL ready rookie QBs ever.

Like I said.. look at Rodgers first and second year. Not great either. I suspect Brohm will be fine. MM clearly knows how to coach a QB.

Plus as a pre-draft Brohm supporter I've got a lot on the line, so he had better step it up!!

[Bossman641]

Do you guys remember how horrible Rodgers looked in his first two seasons? It's far too early to develop an opinion on Brohm. I'm sure he'll be fine. MM is a great QB coach.

ARod looked lost in his first preseason. However, Brohm didn't even look like he belonged. With ARod, you could see physical ability to lead you to believe he had a chance. Brohm looked less physically gifted than the 7th round pick last year.

Also, Rodgers did not look horrible in his second preseason. I suppose this is where you'll argue that ARod's 101 passer rating in his second preseason wasn't legit.

Stop with the agenda. They both looked horrible the first preseason. Absolutely terrible. Neither looked like they belonged. Knowing Rodgers was basically a baby it was more expected, and one has to be dissapointed in Brohm's showing, but stop with the agenda dude.

Rodgers second preseason was pretty bad. He had one huge game that really helped out his numbers.

You have a game where he had a 130+ rating on 6 attempts because he connected on a deep pass. What that number doesn't reflect is the fumble he lost. He also took 3 sacks. He took 10 total drop backs, and had 3 sacks, a fumble, 3 completions, and 3 incompletions. He did however connect on two deep bombs for TDs. IMO, this one is called getting lucky on the deep balls. (50% completion percentage)

In another game, he went 9 for 11, with a total of 14 drop backs, with 3 sacks, a fumble, and an int. He didn't throw any touchdowns, and had a rating of 75. (unusually high completion percentage to me says it was a lot of dump offs as that completion percentage is quite the anomaly for his preseason -- typically it was closer to 50%)

In another game, Rodgers went 2 of 6, without any TDs, sacks, fumbles, etc for a rating of 42. (33% completion percentage)

In the last game, he went 8 for 15, with 3 sacks, a fumble, and 1 td. (53% completion percentage)

Overall, he had 3 TDs (2 in one game on two long bombs), 1 int, 2 lost fumbles (1:1 ratio of TD to turnover), was sacked on ~20% of his drop backs, and had a 58% completion percentage(this number is pretty strange to me because he only had ONE game above 53%. My guess is it was a ton of dump off passes as it is a serious statistical anomaly). Not stellar numbers at all for a QB.

I'm surprised his rating was that high. I, as well as most people on this board -- most likely even including yourself Harv -- thought he looked pretty darn dissapointing in his second preseason. I would use the site search function and find some evidence from you, but I have a hella busy day ahead of me.

Here is a link for the naysayers. http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronrodg...93&season=2006

Partial

I will give you props. I actually agree with you for once. Nice to see you use stats to back up your argument rather than beliefs and "it."

Good breakdwon

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'll go back to my posts analyzing his play... at the time.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=2632&highlight=aaron+rodgers

The only really good things to come out of this camp have been the play of Aaron Rodgers and possibly Greg Jennings.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=4497&highlight=aaron+rodgers

Like some others, I wasn't too enamored with the ARod pick last year, but I saw enough this preseason to think he has a shot.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=3053&highlight=aaron+rodgers

Positives
4) Aaron Rodgers had two good games and a good scrimmage.

Aaron Rodgers has looked good

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=2572&highlight=aaron+rodgers

[SnakeLH2006]

Do you guys remember how horrible Rodgers looked in his first two seasons? It's far too early to develop an opinion on Brohm. I'm sure he'll be fine. MM is a great QB coach.

ARod looked lost in his first preseason. However, Brohm didn't even look like he belonged. With ARod, you could see physical ability to lead you to believe he had a chance. Brohm looked less physically gifted than the 7th round pick last year.

Also, Rodgers did not look horrible in his second preseason. I suppose this is where you'll argue that ARod's 101 passer rating in his second preseason wasn't legit.

Stop with the agenda. They both looked horrible the first preseason. Absolutely terrible. Neither looked like they belonged. Knowing Rodgers was basically a baby it was more expected, and one has to be dissapointed in Brohm's showing, but stop with the agenda dude.

Rodgers second preseason was pretty bad. He had one huge game that really helped out his numbers.

You have a game where he had a 130+ rating on 6 attempts because he connected on a deep pass. What that number doesn't reflect is the fumble he lost. He also took 3 sacks. He took 10 total drop backs, and had 3 sacks, a fumble, 3 completions, and 3 incompletions. He did however connect on two deep bombs for TDs. IMO, this one is called getting lucky on the deep balls. (50% completion percentage)

In another game, he went 9 for 11, with a total of 14 drop backs, with 3 sacks, a fumble, and an int. He didn't throw any touchdowns, and had a rating of 75. (unusually high completion percentage to me says it was a lot of dump offs as that completion percentage is quite the anomaly for his preseason -- typically it was closer to 50%)

In another game, Rodgers went 2 of 6, without any TDs, sacks, fumbles, etc for a rating of 42. (33% completion percentage)

In the last game, he went 8 for 15, with 3 sacks, a fumble, and 1 td. (53% completion percentage)

Overall, he had 3 TDs (2 in one game on two long bombs), 1 int, 2 lost fumbles (1:1 ratio of TD to turnover), was sacked on ~20% of his drop backs, and had a 58% completion percentage(this number is pretty strange to me because he only had ONE game above 53%. My guess is it was a ton of dump off passes as it is a serious statistical anomaly). Not stellar numbers at all for a QB.

I'm surprised his rating was that high. I, as well as most people on this board -- most likely even including yourself Harv -- thought he looked pretty darn dissapointing in his second preseason. I would use the site search function and find some evidence from you, but I have a hella busy day ahead of me.

Here is a link for the naysayers. http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronrodg...93&season=2006

Partial

I will give you props. I actually agree with you for once. Nice to see you use stats to back up your argument rather than beliefs and "it."

Good breakdwon

I agree. Partial, that looked logical using stats...and I do agree with the statistical breakdown, but going back to KY's post, the #1 thing for a QB is confidence (well, after having the ability to play QB of course).

Arod didn't look great in his first few preseaons, but he did NOT look absolutely dreadful and embarrassing out there. ARod always had a chip on his shoulder it seems since his fall in the draft..You could tell he knew he belonged, but lacked the experience.

Brohm had all the experience, but when it didn't go his way, he really nosedived and you could tell he was just trying to "avoid" mistakes more than make a play...which is a downfall for playing QB in the NFL. You are bound to fail with that mindset.

That might explain it as Snake can't remember a QB EVER looking that shaky (like he might just fumble on EVERY snap or throw a weak-armed duck to the DL) since the man himself, Packer great, TJ Rubley....Yeah, he looked THAT bad last year...but with all that talent, I'm sure he's bound to come back on this year. He just needs a fresh start this year.

BTW, Snake's willing to say it, but I thought ARod's arm looked quite weak until his coming out party 2008 when he threw some rockets. I no longer have doubts on his arm strength. As far as Brohm, yeah, he looked dreadful overall, but I swear Ty Detmer could have beat him with his arm last preseason. Hopefully it was mechanics, as the scouts sure liked his arm.

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Hopefully it was mechanics, as the scouts sure liked his arm.

Yeah, to be fair, it looked like he was just behind somewhere between his brain and his body, and there was a quarter second of hesitation... almost "long-armed" the throws. I just want to see a couple throws where everything is in sync. That can make a big difference and one I hadn't considered. Definitely not givin up on the kid tho... we've seen first hand how guys progress.