LORD FAVRE comeback part deux...!!!

[Gunakor]

Actually neither. A marketing deal is out of TT's realm. It would absolutely make sense to me for the president of the company to fly down and tell the potential team spokesperson that should he decide to stay retired, there's an offer on the table for him and it will remain even if he should go to play for another team and then come back and retire. TT doesn't handle any of the marketing work that players do for the team--including the annual bus tour, fan fest or any of the rest of it. That's Murphy's turf.

Well that's kinda my point. Murphy wouldn't have offered the marketing deal if he and the board weren't in agreement that Favre should stay retired and that Aaron Rodgers was going to be the starting quarterback in 2008. That the offer was going to be left on the table should he go to another team and play just reinforces that thought that they were as much a part of the decision to move on as Thompson was.

[MJZiggy]

No, you don't understand. I'm saying they're two VERY separate and distinct items that the world has somehow lumped together.

Favre retired, Murphy goes down and offers him a contract, he unretires and Murphy says the offer remains. Everyone looks at it and says it was a bribe to stay retired, when in fact it was a marketing deal that was made after he retired that would have been offered even if he'd never even considered coming back. Favre was the best spokesman the Pack could ever have hoped for and Murphy went down and offered the deal. Favre decides to come back and everyone suddenly calls it a bribe. But it doesn't mean that Murphy had anything to do with the team moving on.

[Gunakor]

No, you don't understand. I'm saying they're two VERY separate and distinct items that the world has somehow lumped together.

Favre retired, Murphy goes down and offers him a contract, he unretires and Murphy says the offer remains. Everyone looks at it and says it was a bribe to stay retired, when in fact it was a marketing deal that was made after he retired that would have been offered even if he'd never even considered coming back. Favre was the best spokesman the Pack could ever have hoped for and Murphy went down and offered the deal. Favre decides to come back and everyone suddenly calls it a bribe. But it doesn't mean that Murphy had anything to do with the team moving on.

Ah, but Murphy didn't fly down there until after Favre got that itch. If he had flown down in April, right after the draft, it might have been more believable. Perhaps Murphy would have done so anyway, we'll never know. But the timing is kinda ironic. Maybe it did have something to do with the team moving on?

[Scott Campbell]

No, you don't understand. I'm saying they're two VERY separate and distinct items that the world has somehow lumped together.

Favre retired, Murphy goes down and offers him a contract, he unretires and Murphy says the offer remains. Everyone looks at it and says it was a bribe to stay retired, when in fact it was a marketing deal that was made after he retired that would have been offered even if he'd never even considered coming back. Favre was the best spokesman the Pack could ever have hoped for and Murphy went down and offered the deal. Favre decides to come back and everyone suddenly calls it a bribe. But it doesn't mean that Murphy had anything to do with the team moving on.

Ah, but Murphy didn't fly down there until after Favre got that itch. If he had flown down in April, right after the draft, it might have been more believable. Perhaps Murphy would have done so anyway, we'll never know. But the timing is kinda ironic. Maybe it did have something to do with the team moving on?

I expect there was mostly consensus among Murph, Ted and Mike on it being time to move to life after Brett. I can't see Ted taking orders from Murphy on this, but I also don't see Ted completely excluding Murph and McCarthy from the decision process either.

[MJZiggy]

Could be. Could be he waited until the decision was final. I don't actually remember when he flew down (trying to block the whole episode from my memory), I'm just saying that would have been his role and that role is separate from Thompson's role of making roster decisions.

[cpk1994]

Later, Gunakor came out and stated that he AGREED with the general statement that you now say you found "retarted".... So maybe, the point wasn't so "retarted" after all?...

What are you trying to do RG? Get him on my case for being retarded too?

If you agree with Woody, thats fine. But his claim that the decision to start ARod did not come from TT but "above" him has no merit, imo, and is what I called it, imo. Not my problem that RG can't leave it at that.

Murphy flew down to Mississippi to offer the marketing deal to Favre. Not Thompson. Which means either one of two things. Either Thompson was giving orders to his superiors within the organization, or the team President and it's board were as much a part of that decision as Thompson was.

Which do you see as the more likely of the two?

Murphy didn't fly down to Mississippi uintill well after TT & M3 decided that Favre could only comeback as a backup. Murphy ultimately went down there to be intermediary after things went bad between TT & Brett.

[Gunakor]

Later, Gunakor came out and stated that he AGREED with the general statement that you now say you found "retarted".... So maybe, the point wasn't so "retarted" after all?...

What are you trying to do RG? Get him on my case for being retarded too?

If you agree with Woody, thats fine. But his claim that the decision to start ARod did not come from TT but "above" him has no merit, imo, and is what I called it, imo. Not my problem that RG can't leave it at that.

Murphy flew down to Mississippi to offer the marketing deal to Favre. Not Thompson. Which means either one of two things. Either Thompson was giving orders to his superiors within the organization, or the team President and it's board were as much a part of that decision as Thompson was.

Which do you see as the more likely of the two?

Murphy didn't fly down to Mississippi uintill well after TT & M3 decided that Favre could only comeback as a backup. Murphy ultimately went down there to be intermediary after things went bad between TT & Brett.

He flew down in July, didn't he?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the decision was ultimately made by MM after a long heart to heart talk with Brett following the intersquad scrimmage on Family Night. That's my interpretation of MM saying that during that talk was when both sides mutually agreed that it wasn't going to work out. Murphy had already flown down by that time. I think your timeline is off.

[cpk1994]

Later, Gunakor came out and stated that he AGREED with the general statement that you now say you found "retarted".... So maybe, the point wasn't so "retarted" after all?...

What are you trying to do RG? Get him on my case for being retarded too?

If you agree with Woody, thats fine. But his claim that the decision to start ARod did not come from TT but "above" him has no merit, imo, and is what I called it, imo. Not my problem that RG can't leave it at that.

Murphy flew down to Mississippi to offer the marketing deal to Favre. Not Thompson. Which means either one of two things. Either Thompson was giving orders to his superiors within the organization, or the team President and it's board were as much a part of that decision as Thompson was.

Which do you see as the more likely of the two?

Murphy didn't fly down to Mississippi uintill well after TT & M3 decided that Favre could only comeback as a backup. Murphy ultimately went down there to be intermediary after things went bad between TT & Brett.

He flew down in July, didn't he?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the decision was ultimately made by MM after a long heart to heart talk with Brett following the intersquad scrimmage on Family Night. That's my interpretation of MM saying that during that talk was when both sides mutually agreed that it wasn't going to work out. Murphy had already flown down by that time. I think your timeline is off.

But that decision was that Favre couldn't be on the team at all. Up until that point, Favre was alledgly told he could only comeback as a backup. Thats what really set Brett off. They had already decided to move on after Brett alledgedly unretired and then retired again a month after he initailly retired.

[Gunakor]

Later, Gunakor came out and stated that he AGREED with the general statement that you now say you found "retarted".... So maybe, the point wasn't so "retarted" after all?...

What are you trying to do RG? Get him on my case for being retarded too?

If you agree with Woody, thats fine. But his claim that the decision to start ARod did not come from TT but "above" him has no merit, imo, and is what I called it, imo. Not my problem that RG can't leave it at that.

Murphy flew down to Mississippi to offer the marketing deal to Favre. Not Thompson. Which means either one of two things. Either Thompson was giving orders to his superiors within the organization, or the team President and it's board were as much a part of that decision as Thompson was.

Which do you see as the more likely of the two?

Murphy didn't fly down to Mississippi uintill well after TT & M3 decided that Favre could only comeback as a backup. Murphy ultimately went down there to be intermediary after things went bad between TT & Brett.

He flew down in July, didn't he?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the decision was ultimately made by MM after a long heart to heart talk with Brett following the intersquad scrimmage on Family Night. That's my interpretation of MM saying that during that talk was when both sides mutually agreed that it wasn't going to work out. Murphy had already flown down by that time. I think your timeline is off.

But that decision was that Favre couldn't be on the team at all. Up until that point, Favre was alledgly told he could only comeback as a backup. Thats what really set Brett off. They had already decided to move on after Brett alledgedly unretired and then retired again a month after he initailly retired.

The way I understood it, Favre was told he'd have to compete for his starting job if he came back. He wasn't told he'd be the backup regardless. If he won the job in camp, the job was his. That was my understanding anyway.

[cpk1994]

Later, Gunakor came out and stated that he AGREED with the general statement that you now say you found "retarted".... So maybe, the point wasn't so "retarted" after all?...

What are you trying to do RG? Get him on my case for being retarded too?

If you agree with Woody, thats fine. But his claim that the decision to start ARod did not come from TT but "above" him has no merit, imo, and is what I called it, imo. Not my problem that RG can't leave it at that.

Murphy flew down to Mississippi to offer the marketing deal to Favre. Not Thompson. Which means either one of two things. Either Thompson was giving orders to his superiors within the organization, or the team President and it's board were as much a part of that decision as Thompson was.

Which do you see as the more likely of the two?

Murphy didn't fly down to Mississippi uintill well after TT & M3 decided that Favre could only comeback as a backup. Murphy ultimately went down there to be intermediary after things went bad between TT & Brett.

He flew down in July, didn't he?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the decision was ultimately made by MM after a long heart to heart talk with Brett following the intersquad scrimmage on Family Night. That's my interpretation of MM saying that during that talk was when both sides mutually agreed that it wasn't going to work out. Murphy had already flown down by that time. I think your timeline is off.

But that decision was that Favre couldn't be on the team at all. Up until that point, Favre was alledgly told he could only comeback as a backup. Thats what really set Brett off. They had already decided to move on after Brett alledgedly unretired and then retired again a month after he initailly retired.

The way I understood it, Favre was told he'd have to compete for his starting job if he came back. He wasn't told he'd be the backup regardless. If he won the job in camp, the job was his. That was my understanding anyway.

Its hard to say what was really said becuase TT didn't say a word and ESPN reported it as "Favre could only be backup". But they were already detirmend after Brett's mind change that ARod was their guy. They may have told Brett he could win the job, but I highly doubt Brett would have been given the job.

[Gunakor]

Its hard to say what was really said becuase TT didn't say a word and ESPN reported it as "Favre could only be backup". But they were already detirmend after Brett's mind change that ARod was their guy. They may have told Brett he could win the job, but I highly doubt Brett would have been given the job.

You could be right, of course, but I find it just as unlikely that they'd have sat 12 million dollars on the bench and not given it a shot at winning the starting job back.

[Bretsky]

nobody knows what occured at the end and that is where the two sides really interpret things differently. I've heard that the Packers did all they could to keep him out of the locker room and Lambeau when he returned that day as well. So many facts are unknown in all of this. Like you I'd be happiest if it all went away

[cpk1994]

Its hard to say what was really said becuase TT didn't say a word and ESPN reported it as "Favre could only be backup". But they were already detirmend after Brett's mind change that ARod was their guy. They may have told Brett he could win the job, but I highly doubt Brett would have been given the job.

You could be right, of course, but I find it just as unlikely that they'd have sat 12 million dollars on the bench and not given it a shot at winning the starting job back.

He would have been given a shot, but that shot would probably just have been lip service. As long as Rodgers didn't totally fall on his face, McCarthy could say "Rodgers gets the job" and be believeable.

[cpk1994]

nobody knows what occured at the end and that is where the two sides really interpret things differently. I've heard that the Packers did all they could to keep him out of the locker room and Lambeau when he returned that day as well. So many facts are unknown in all of this. Like you I'd be happiest if it all went away

I'm sure that Packers brass weren't happy that Faver decided to convinently show up right as the scrimmage was starting basically trying, mostly succeeding, to put attention squarely on himself.

[boiga]

Why are you guys rehashing this?

The summer of '08 Favre saga is like religion or politics. Everyone has firmly set beliefs and it's pointless trying to change peoples minds unless your goal is to offend.

What's Obama's new line? Mistakes were made but we're going to look forward?