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[Chevelle2]

I don't get it.

Even if we take Favre's side of the story as 100% truth what's the worst thing that he complained TT did? Promise he'd interview Mooch and not do it? Refuse to hand him his job over after Favre retired?

If you want to argue that there is some other side of the story we haven't heard I'll direct you to the same reply I had to Merlin. Why in the world would you believe that someone who has stooped to every low possible to take shots at the organization would be holding on to some other information that would make TT and Co. look bad?

If they legitimately made it clear that Favre could compete and if he was equal/better he'd start, then the beef is his. I simply do not believe this is the case. Reading between the lines of what was said, in my opinion there is zero chance he was starting. That's where I think the crappy treatment comes into play.

Maybe there was 0 chance he was going to start. I don't know, but if thats the case, why is that wrong? Don't the coach and GM have that right?

That's the debate in my opinion. I support loyalty, so without a doubt I think they owe it to Favre in that situation to give him a fair chance. It's a gentleman's game and that is very ungentlemanly, especially after the type of season 2007 was.

They certainly don't have to give him that opportunity, and in which case I don't blame him for being very angry (even if he handled the situation like shit).

See, I feel the outcry if Favre were benched would be insane. Every sack, incompletion or interception of Rodgers, 1/2 the fan base would be clammoring for Favre, and IMO it would have made for an ugly scene.

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You guys are making one hefty assumption that Rodgers beats out Favre in a fair competition. I simply don't see that happening. Maybe today.

[MJZiggy]

You guys are making one hefty assumption that Rodgers beats out Favre in a fair competition. I simply don't see that happening. Maybe today.

Maybe this happened because Rodgers was already beating him out and everyone knew it except the fans. We weren't watching Rodgers play and practice until after Favre was gone. Could explain why Favre retired and why he waited so long to come back.

[Bossman641]

You guys are making one hefty assumption that Rodgers beats out Favre in a fair competition. I simply don't see that happening. Maybe today.

I'm not sure how that's a hefty assumption. Rodgers outplayed Favre last year IMO.

[Fritz]

Chevelle -

I am probably one of the slightly older fans here....I was a boy at the end of Starr's tenure, and remember him from 1969 and on. And I don't support Favre in this.

I have mixed feelings on Favre's development/lack thereof. Announcers talked about his ability to read defenses, and I think he did learn to do that well, and to adjust the play at the line. He did improve in that regard.

But he rarely seemed to be able to reign in his urge to throw it to the receiver he wanted to throw it to, whether he was open or covered by three guys. My own opinion is that this happened most often when Javon Walker had his big year and Shermy was coaching.

As for who's right or wrong about the Packer/Favre thing, it can't help the pro-Favre faction that this offseason features so many of the same refrains from last season. Here's a quote from a JSO story about Favre possibly getting surgery: "Even though Favre said in February when he retired from the Jets that he was not willing to undergo surgery on the shoulder, he has apparently changed his mind."

What? Brett Favre, changing his mind in May? Hmm...that should put him on a time frame that would enable him to show up j-u-s-t in time for camp, if the surgery goes well.

He's a confused man. In some respects, I feel bad for the guy. He seems to be torn, unable to find peace. And my sense is that he's not going to find peace if he plays for the Vikings this year.

[SkinBasket]

You guys are making one hefty assumption that Rodgers beats out Favre in a fair competition. I simply don't see that happening. Maybe today.

It's no bigger than assuming there was some kind of anti-Favre conspiracy going on.

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You guys are making one hefty assumption that Rodgers beats out Favre in a fair competition. I simply don't see that happening. Maybe today.

I'm not sure how that's a hefty assumption. Rodgers outplayed Favre last year IMO.

Well, I don't know what to say, but I suspect we'll see them go head to head twice this year. Unfortunately the comparison still will be tough because thats Favre's third system in as many years and he's coming off of an injury. I suspect he'll wear out towards the end of the season again.

[Harlan Huckleby]

from Jason Wilde:

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/451675

Who do you believe when it comes to the latest on Brett Favre?

Hours after the St. Paul Pioneer Press reported Monday on its Web site that the retired quarterback was to meet today with Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala., about having surgery on the partially torn biceps tendon in his right shoulder, ESPN said it was not true.

According to ESPN’s source, Favre is focused on non-surgical options, including cortisone injections and natural movements such as light throwing and bicep curls that might cause the tendon to release naturally.

If the tendon releases and the pain subsides, ESPN’s source said, Favre is virtually certain to play again. If he has surgery and his arm strength diminishes or the pain remains, Favre will remain retired, according to the source.

The Pioneer Press, which did not cite a source for its information, reported Andrews is expected to perform the “routine” surgery on Favre later this week and that rehabilitation would last six to eight weeks.

ESPN reiterated in its report that Favre discussed surgical and non-surgical options with Andrews last week.

[RashanGary]

Well, I don't know what to say, but I suspect we'll see them go head to head twice this year. Unfortunately the comparison still will be tough because thats Favre's third system in as many years and he's coming off of an injury. I suspect he'll wear out towards the end of the season again.

I have a question:

Do you think the Packers were doing what they thought was best for their team when they refused to let Favre back? and. . . Why?

[cpk1994]

from Jason Wilde:

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/451675

Who do you believe when it comes to the latest on Brett Favre?

This is a hard one You have the Poineer Press, which had no soucrs, or ESPN, who breathlessly reported that Brad Childress was in Mississippi AT THE SAME TIME Minneapolis TV stations were showing Childress walking into Vikings HQ . ESPN has really made some monumental blunders while the Poineer Press can't even bother to provide sources. Hard to choose.

[cpk1994]

You guys are making one hefty assumption that Rodgers beats out Favre in a fair competition. I simply don't see that happening. Maybe today.

I'm not sure how that's a hefty assumption. Rodgers outplayed Favre last year IMO.

Well, I don't know what to say, but I suspect we'll see them go head to head twice this year. Unfortunately the comparison still will be tough because thats Favre's third system in as many years and he's coming off of an injury. I suspect he'll wear out towards the end of the season again.

This will only be his second system as the Vikings run the same system as the Packers do, the WCO.

[Pacopete4]

You guys are making one hefty assumption that Rodgers beats out Favre in a fair competition. I simply don't see that happening. Maybe today.

I'm not sure how that's a hefty assumption. Rodgers outplayed Favre last year IMO.

Well, I don't know what to say, but I suspect we'll see them go head to head twice this year. Unfortunately the comparison still will be tough because thats Favre's third system in as many years and he's coming off of an injury. I suspect he'll wear out towards the end of the season again.

This will only be his second system as the Vikings run the same system as the Packers do, the WCO.

CPK, the wco is a very complicated system and since Walsh invented it, it's been tinkered with by many coaches. There are various wco's in the NFL today. But I've read this one is close to the version that mike Sherman ran so it shouldn't take him long to learn it, but it will be different to him.

[Gunakor]

This will only be his second system as the Vikings run the same system as the Packers do, the WCO.

Sherman's version of the WCO was hardly the WCO that Favre was most successful with. Minnesota will be no different. Pure WCO offenses use the short, high percentage passing game to set up the run. Minnesota does the opposite. While they do incorporate some aspects of the WCO into their offensive scheme, it is far from a more pure form of WCO that Favre has flourished in under Holmgren and McCarthy.

[Bossman641]

You guys are making one hefty assumption that Rodgers beats out Favre in a fair competition. I simply don't see that happening. Maybe today.

I'm not sure how that's a hefty assumption. Rodgers outplayed Favre last year IMO.

Well, I don't know what to say, but I suspect we'll see them go head to head twice this year. Unfortunately the comparison still will be tough because thats Favre's third system in as many years and he's coming off of an injury. I suspect he'll wear out towards the end of the season again.

This will only be his second system as the Vikings run the same system as the Packers do, the WCO.

CPK, the wco is a very complicated system and since Walsh invented it, it's been tinkered with by many coaches. There are various wco's in the NFL today. But I've read this one is close to the version that mike Sherman ran so it shouldn't take him long to learn it, but it will be different to him.

Don't you remember when Partial said that NFL teams only run like 5 or 6 plays though? Favre will have the offense down in a day.

[rbaloha1]

This will only be his second system as the Vikings run the same system as the Packers do, the WCO.

Sherman's version of the WCO was hardly the WCO that Favre was most successful with. Minnesota will be no different. Pure WCO offenses use the short, high percentage passing game to set up the run. Minnesota does the opposite. While they do incorporate some aspects of the WCO into their offensive scheme, it is far from a more pure form of WCO that Favre has flourished in under Holmgren and McCarthy.

The Viking's running game allows more play action opportunities -- still a BF strength.