Breaking News on Brett Favre!

[Chevelle2]

Favre is starting to piss me off:


http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

Looks like Paco has already commented on the article.

Last year, when Favre applied for reinstatement from retirement, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell -- who was responsible for the reinstatement -- saw the potential for a sour scene at Packers training camp and decided to reach out to Favre by phone.

According to sources, Favre explained to Goodell that he had no choice but to ask the Packers to come back in order to force his release if they wouldn't let him compete with Aaron Rodgers for the starting job in Green Bay.

Favre's intention was to be released and join the Minnesota Vikings, the Packers' NFC North rivals.

At one point, according to the source, Favre got passionate on the phone, telling Goodell, "He (Thompson) doesn't want me going to Minnesota because he knows I'll kick his ass twice a year!"

That makes it mere hearsay. Mere hearsay at a time of high emotion for Favre even if he went there. If he went there? Favre like all here is a mere human being and things this time last season were highly charged.

Again, Favre is human.

What can I say? The conspiracy theorists can argue all they want and do revisionist history all they want but facts are facts.
1) TT did not kiss Brett's butt and sign a horde of FAs while Brett was here but that was not an attempt to run Brett out of town. Thats just how TT operates. He is no more urgent to sign FAs with Rodgers as QB than he was with Brett. Is he now trying to run Rodgers out of town?

2)The decision to draft Rodgers was not an attempt to run Brett out of town. Rodgers was the best player on the board. Brett was 36. Brett had been waffling for a couple years already about retirement. The Packers had no quality backup QB let alone an heir apparant if Brett were to leave. And Rodgers just fell to them. And remember Brett kept the job for 3 years after Rodgers arrived and would have kept it in 2008 had Brett not retired.

3) Brett did in fact retire on his own after the 2007 season. Could the Packers have welcomed him back? Sure. Can people be mad that they did not welcome him back? Of course. But lets not change the procuring cause of the problem which is that Brett decided to "hang em up".

Brett was not forced out. Brett was not run off. Brett was not cut or traded until he himself made the first move by retiring. Folks can argue all you want that the Packers were wrong in trading him or not giving his starting job back or whatever but you cannot change the fact than Brett retired for the entire 2008 offseason and then wanted to come back when camp opened and the Packers said "we've moved on." Brett brought this on himself. Now he is invigorated to "stick it" to Green Bay and TT. That is just how it is. No spinning will change those basic facts

There are two sides to this story and you have only provided one, your own take on it. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth and no one accept Favre and Thompson can clarify what really happened, they each have stuck to their guns so by taking Thompson's side you are calling Favre a liar, by taking Favre's side you are calling Thompson a liar, by just accepting that you don't know what you don't know, you are being intelligent about the matter which is right where any rational person should be. Favre was and perhaps still is a great player to watch play the game. Just because you follow his career doesn't make you a "hater" of anyone, it just shows your love of the game, contrary to what MANY posters in here believe. If you follow the career of Adrian Paterson, are you a hater? What about Joe Montana? Are you a hater? Why is Favre any different? I don't hear anyone blowing their wad about Ryan Longwell anymore, or hell even Darren Sharper. Why is Favre different? I suspect your disdain for him is why you have an a loyalty for the least successful GM we have had in 20 some years. The facts as you put it are there, look it up, Thompson is NOT a successful GM. "We like who we have here", apparently the record doesn't matter as long as you like your own decisions...

You had me until "least successful GM." Go be a Jets fan, or a Viking fan. Or whichever team your mancrush is going to play for next.

You must rate success differently then I do. I look at the W's, playoff appearances, etc. and in that regard, he is, it's a fact, it cannot be disputed.

I am a fan of the game and Favre is fun to watch, no matter who he plays for. I thoroughly enjoyed watching him in the AFC last season. This season, if he plays for the Vikings, I won't get as much enjoyment because I am first an foremost a Packer fan and I of course want the Vikings to lose, especially twice to the Packers. That doesn't mean Favre has to play crappy for that to happen, that doesn't mean he still won't be enjoyable to watch. I also will see less football this season because Favre being in the AFC allowed for more games to watch, the Vikings, in our own division, I won't see many of those games unless the Packers aren't playing, and I watched those already anyway, as I did for a NFC North teams that weren't playing when the Packers were.

See, unlike you I dont pretend that I am smarter than guys who get paid millions of dollars to do this. I'll side with the GM's who named him GM of the year, you can keep living in your fantasy world.

You enjoyed Favre flame out down the stretch?

[RashanGary]

JH, I'm sure you know what happened at Roswell too, because after all the government said it was just a weather balloon and that's what the media reported.

And some day, if Favre gets really, really upset with Thompson, he's going to come out and tell the whole damning story

Right now he just doesn't want to say anything that might make Thompson look bad so we don't know the whole story. The Greta thing, where Favre got to give his side, that wasn't really his side OK Parsh. Gochya.

[cheesner]

You must rate success differently then I do. I look at the W's, playoff appearances, etc. and in that regard, he is, it's a fact, it cannot be disputed.

I am a fan of the game and Favre is fun to watch, no matter who he plays for. I thoroughly enjoyed watching him in the AFC last season. This season, if he plays for the Vikings, I won't get as much enjoyment because I am first an foremost a Packer fan and I of course want the Vikings to lose, especially twice to the Packers. That doesn't mean Favre has to play crappy for that to happen, that doesn't mean he still won't be enjoyable to watch. I also will see less football this season because Favre being in the AFC allowed for more games to watch, the Vikings, in our own division, I won't see many of those games unless the Packers aren't playing, and I watched those already anyway, as I did for a NFC North teams that weren't playing when the Packers were.

In his first 3 season TT improved signicantly in the second and third seasons. Were you at that time touting TT as the best GM of the last 20 years? Facts don't lie. No GM has shown that kind of steady improvement since Lombardi.

When you want to, you can skew the facts to represent anything you want. Take your sig, for example. Did our GM actually say that? Or are you misrepresenting his statement by taking something out of context?

"I'm smarter then everyone else." - our GM.

Please show me the link to this quote.


Ultimately TT will be judged on if he won a superbowl. Nothing more or less.
This is no easy task, and if you can't see the pieces being properly assembled to a point where that will soon be a realistic goal, you are missing out.

Brett is no longer a Packer. He is currently trying to join a team for the sole purpose of causing the Packers to loose. He is currently no different than Ulacher, Calvin Johnson, or Adrianne Peterson. Treat him accordingly.

[Joemailman]

I agree with Cheesner. If Favre signs with the Vikings, I will regard him as the Vikings quarterback. With all that that entails. And not just when they play the Packers.

[Partial]

JH, I'm sure you know what happened at Roswell too, because after all the government said it was just a weather balloon and that's what the media reported.

And some day, if Favre gets really, really upset with Thompson, he's going to come out and tell the whole damning story

Right now he just doesn't want to say anything that might make Thompson look bad so we don't know the whole story. The Greta thing, where Favre got to give his side, that wasn't really his side OK Parsh. Gochya.

I really don't think it was the whole side of the story. Either way, you're simply brushing that off and not acknowledging his side of the story at all, simply agreeing 100% with the Packers statement.

[Packnut]

Favre

This thread is the perfect example of romper room at it's best. The in-maturity is indeed mind-boggling.

According to the resident morons (and you know who you are), Favre is the first person in the history of labor relations to dislike his boss? Favre is also the first person in the history of the world to make a decision and then change his mind? I also guess Favre is the first person on this earth to wanna get even with his boss for what he perceived as being slighted?

I'm sure not one of you a-holes who use this forum to take shots at Favre every chance you get, never had a problem with a superior at work? But because it's Brett Favre, that's a different story right?

Well, the latest news is Favre is getting the shoulder fixed and will sign with the Vikes. Be happy clowns. Your punching bag is coming back........

[Pacopete4]

Re: Favre

This thread is the perfect example of romper room at it's best. The in-maturity is indeed mind-boggling.

According to the resident morons (and you know who you are), Favre is the first person in the history of labor relations to dislike his boss? Favre is also the first person in the history of the world to make a decision and then change his mind? I also guess Favre is the first person on this earth to wanna get even with his boss for what he perceived as being slighted?

I'm sure not one of you a-holes who use this forum to take shots at Favre every chance you get, never had a problem with a superior at work? But because it's Brett Favre, that's a different story right?

Well, the latest news is Favre is getting the shoulder fixed and will sign with the Vikes. Be happy clowns. Your punching bag is coming back........

great post!

[Chevelle2]

Re: Favre

This thread is the perfect example of romper room at it's best. The in-maturity is indeed mind-boggling.

Im sorry?

[The Shadow]

There are such things as dignity, class, and grace.
There are also things like pettiness, egotism, and selfishness.
For me, the inability to win when the chips were on the line has never outweighed the often thrilling plays -but I can at least understand the adulation heaped on #4 by some, especially those too young to remember Starr and the Glory Years.
But the diva mindset revealed over the last few years has taken things over the top. Too much!
Now, instead of thinking of him as a player who provided some fine Packer football memories, the mention of his name evokes the term 'self-centered asshat'.
Sorry, Cult.

[Chevelle2]

There are such things as dignity, class, and grace.
There are also things like pettiness, egotism, and selfishness.
For me, the inability to win when the chips were on the line has never outweighed the often thrilling plays -but I can at least understand the adulation heaped on #4 by some, especially those too young to remember Starr and the Glory Years.
But the diva mindset revealed over the last few years has taken things over the top. Too much!
Now, instead of thinking of him as a player who provided some fine Packer football memories, the mention of his name evokes the term 'self-centered asshat'.
Sorry, Cult.

The Shadow - I am only 20, you are an older fan, correct? I have noticed many of the older fans (not just here) are on Favre's side. If I am correct, that you are of the older generation, why are you different to the rest?

[mraynrand]

There are such things as dignity, class, and grace.
There are also things like pettiness, egotism, and selfishness.
For me, the inability to win when the chips were on the line has never outweighed the often thrilling plays -but I can at least understand the adulation heaped on #4 by some, especially those too young to remember Starr and the Glory Years.
But the diva mindset revealed over the last few years has taken things over the top. Too much!
Now, instead of thinking of him as a player who provided some fine Packer football memories, the mention of his name evokes the term 'self-centered asshat'.
Sorry, Cult.

The Greta interview was when I waved bye-bye. I could take the crying at the retirement press conference. I could handle the disappearing act in the 2007 NFC championship second half. I could understand throwing it up for grabs at Philly in Jan 2004. But Greta, followed by his admitted desire to be vindictive by going to the Vikings last summer was all I could stand. I still love the time in GB, and I will be front and center for the Canton deal. But if he shows up in purple this fall, I will treat him like Randy Moss. And he will deserve it.

[packinpatland]

There are such things as dignity, class, and grace.
There are also things like pettiness, egotism, and selfishness.
For me, the inability to win when the chips were on the line has never outweighed the often thrilling plays -but I can at least understand the adulation heaped on #4 by some, especially those too young to remember Starr and the Glory Years.
But the diva mindset revealed over the last few years has taken things over the top. Too much!
Now, instead of thinking of him as a player who provided some fine Packer football memories, the mention of his name evokes the term 'self-centered asshat'.
Sorry, Cult.

While I agree with you.........you have to admit, the Packer organization and the Packer fans enabled 'diva mindset'.

[The Shadow]

There are such things as dignity, class, and grace.
There are also things like pettiness, egotism, and selfishness.
For me, the inability to win when the chips were on the line has never outweighed the often thrilling plays -but I can at least understand the adulation heaped on #4 by some, especially those too young to remember Starr and the Glory Years.
But the diva mindset revealed over the last few years has taken things over the top. Too much!
Now, instead of thinking of him as a player who provided some fine Packer football memories, the mention of his name evokes the term 'self-centered asshat'.
Sorry, Cult.

The Shadow - I am only 20, you are an older fan, correct? I have noticed many of the older fans (not just here) are on Favre's side. If I am correct, that you are of the older generation, why are you different to the rest?

Hi, Chev :
It's just that I remember a time when 'team' and 'winning' came first and foremost. In today's celebrity-worship world, too many folks go over the top in elevating an individual.
I've always found Favre to be an extremely flawed player; for all his skills, he just never developed/evolved into the player (and winner!) he should have. A quarterback should evolve and mature over time, but Favre will go out the way he entered the NFL : All-Pro physical skills, rookie head.
Relying simply on arm and toyghness at the expense of cerebral development as an on-field general.
Remember the infamous "I'm never going to change the way I play" comment?
That's telling.
I would imagine the mindset for a great should be : "I will learn, I will adapt, I will improve - and I will put in the time and effort to take my team to victory.."

[The Shadow]

There are such things as dignity, class, and grace.
There are also things like pettiness, egotism, and selfishness.
For me, the inability to win when the chips were on the line has never outweighed the often thrilling plays -but I can at least understand the adulation heaped on #4 by some, especially those too young to remember Starr and the Glory Years.
But the diva mindset revealed over the last few years has taken things over the top. Too much!
Now, instead of thinking of him as a player who provided some fine Packer football memories, the mention of his name evokes the term 'self-centered asshat'.
Sorry, Cult.

While I agree with you.........you have to admit, the Packer organization and the Packer fans enabled 'diva mindset'.

Yes, yes - way too completely and for far too long.

[Gunakor]

Re: Favre

According to the resident morons (and you know who you are), Favre is the first person in the history of labor relations to dislike his boss? Favre is also the first person in the history of the world to make a decision and then change his mind? I also guess Favre is the first person on this earth to wanna get even with his boss for what he perceived as being slighted?

I'm sure not one of you a-holes who use this forum to take shots at Favre every chance you get, never had a problem with a superior at work? But because it's Brett Favre, that's a different story right?

No, Favre isn't the first person in history to want to do all those things. But, I can't say I'd support all the other people in the world who were that vindictive either.

Sure we have problems with our bosses, but we talk and work things out. We don't go to the national media to throw a goddamn pity party. We don't get our siblings and our parents to give their opinions on top of it. There is no getting even - shit just gets worked out. That's how adults handle things.

And when shit doesn't get worked out, we come to the realization that WE WORK FOR THEM. That we don't have to like what they say, but we do have to do what they say. That's life.

If you want to compare Favre to ordinary working people to try to make a case for him, you are treading on shaky ground. Just sayin.