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[Chevelle2]

There are such things as dignity, class, and grace.
There are also things like pettiness, egotism, and selfishness.
For me, the inability to win when the chips were on the line has never outweighed the often thrilling plays -but I can at least understand the adulation heaped on #4 by some, especially those too young to remember Starr and the Glory Years.
But the diva mindset revealed over the last few years has taken things over the top. Too much!
Now, instead of thinking of him as a player who provided some fine Packer football memories, the mention of his name evokes the term 'self-centered asshat'.
Sorry, Cult.

The Shadow - I am only 20, you are an older fan, correct? I have noticed many of the older fans (not just here) are on Favre's side. If I am correct, that you are of the older generation, why are you different to the rest?

Hi, Chev :
It's just that I remember a time when 'team' and 'winning' came first and foremost. In today's celebrity-worship world, too many folks go over the top in elevating an individual.
I've always found Favre to be an extremely flawed player; for all his skills, he just never developed/evolved into the player (and winner!) he should have. A quarterback should evolve and mature over time, but Favre will go out the way he entered the NFL : All-Pro physical skills, rookie head.
Relying simply on arm and toyghness at the expense of cerebral development as an on-field general.
Remember the infamous "I'm never going to change the way I play" comment?
That's telling.
I would imagine the mindset for a great should be : "I will learn, I will adapt, I will improve - and I will put in the time and effort to take my team to victory.."

Interesting take, although, even I must respectfully disagree, I think he did grow from his early 91, 92, 93 days, into a more controlled player, in 95, 96, 97 and 07. But I digress.

I find it interesting that you said you value the team over the individual, and I agree. Although I find much of the older generation seems to value loyalty and contributions in this specific case, and that is why they back Favre. Your thoughts, sir?

[The Shadow]

I think Favre received tons of money and tons of adulation for playing football in Green Bay. I am alway puzzled by those who insist he is 'owed' something.
In truth, the ONLY time he delivered was the year Ron Wolf assembled the best team in the NFL to support him.
I always thought he owed US a bit more.

[Bossman641]

JH, I'm sure you know what happened at Roswell too, because after all the government said it was just a weather balloon and that's what the media reported.

And some day, if Favre gets really, really upset with Thompson, he's going to come out and tell the whole damning story

Right now he just doesn't want to say anything that might make Thompson look bad so we don't know the whole story. The Greta thing, where Favre got to give his side, that wasn't really his side OK Parsh. Gochya.

I really don't think it was the whole side of the story. Either way, you're simply brushing that off and not acknowledging his side of the story at all, simply agreeing 100% with the Packers statement.

I don't get it.

Even if we take Favre's side of the story as 100% truth what's the worst thing that he complained TT did? Promise he'd interview Mooch and not do it? Refuse to hand him his job over after Favre retired?

If you want to argue that there is some other side of the story we haven't heard I'll direct you to the same reply I had to Merlin. Why in the world would you believe that someone who has stooped to every low possible to take shots at the organization would be holding on to some other information that would make TT and Co. look bad?

[Lurker64]

Re: Favre

I also guess Favre is the first person on this earth to wanna get even with his boss for what he perceived as being slighted?

Not the first, but "wanting to get back at someone" in due to some perceived slight in a professional environment that was handled professionally is the very model of "childish and immature."

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I don't get it.

Even if we take Favre's side of the story as 100% truth what's the worst thing that he complained TT did? Promise he'd interview Mooch and not do it? Refuse to hand him his job over after Favre retired?

If you want to argue that there is some other side of the story we haven't heard I'll direct you to the same reply I had to Merlin. Why in the world would you believe that someone who has stooped to every low possible to take shots at the organization would be holding on to some other information that would make TT and Co. look bad?

If they legitimately made it clear that Favre could compete and if he was equal/better he'd start, then the beef is his. I simply do not believe this is the case. Reading between the lines of what was said, in my opinion there is zero chance he was starting. That's where I think the crappy treatment comes into play.

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[Chevelle2]

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So glad its not our problem anymore

[MOBB DEEP]

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So glad its not our problem anymore

our problem, tho, is comn off 6-10 record and may be 3rd best team in weak nfc north

dayum.....

[Chevelle2]

I don't get it.

Even if we take Favre's side of the story as 100% truth what's the worst thing that he complained TT did? Promise he'd interview Mooch and not do it? Refuse to hand him his job over after Favre retired?

If you want to argue that there is some other side of the story we haven't heard I'll direct you to the same reply I had to Merlin. Why in the world would you believe that someone who has stooped to every low possible to take shots at the organization would be holding on to some other information that would make TT and Co. look bad?

If they legitimately made it clear that Favre could compete and if he was equal/better he'd start, then the beef is his. I simply do not believe this is the case. Reading between the lines of what was said, in my opinion there is zero chance he was starting. That's where I think the crappy treatment comes into play.

Maybe there was 0 chance he was going to start. I don't know, but if thats the case, why is that wrong? Don't the coach and GM have that right?

[MOBB DEEP]

JH, I'm sure you know what happened at Roswell too, because after all the government said it was just a weather balloon and that's what the media reported.

And some day, if Favre gets really, really upset with Thompson, he's going to come out and tell the whole damning story

Right now he just doesn't want to say anything that might make Thompson look bad so we don't know the whole story. The Greta thing, where Favre got to give his side, that wasn't really his side OK Parsh. Gochya.

I really don't think it was the whole side of the story. Either way, you're simply brushing that off and not acknowledging his side of the story at all, simply agreeing 100% with the Packers statement.

I don't get it.

Even if we take Favre's side of the story as 100% truth what's the worst thing that he complained TT did? Promise he'd interview Mooch and not do it? Refuse to hand him his job over after Favre retired?

If you want to argue that there is some other side of the story we haven't heard I'll direct you to the same reply I had to Merlin. Why in the world would you believe that someone who has stooped to every low possible to take shots at the organization would be holding on to some other information that would make TT and Co. look bad?

actually a very good point boss

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I don't get it.

Even if we take Favre's side of the story as 100% truth what's the worst thing that he complained TT did? Promise he'd interview Mooch and not do it? Refuse to hand him his job over after Favre retired?

If you want to argue that there is some other side of the story we haven't heard I'll direct you to the same reply I had to Merlin. Why in the world would you believe that someone who has stooped to every low possible to take shots at the organization would be holding on to some other information that would make TT and Co. look bad?

If they legitimately made it clear that Favre could compete and if he was equal/better he'd start, then the beef is his. I simply do not believe this is the case. Reading between the lines of what was said, in my opinion there is zero chance he was starting. That's where I think the crappy treatment comes into play.

Maybe there was 0 chance he was going to start. I don't know, but if thats the case, why is that wrong? Don't the coach and GM have that right?

That's the debate in my opinion. I support loyalty, so without a doubt I think they owe it to Favre in that situation to give him a fair chance. It's a gentleman's game and that is very ungentlemanly, especially after the type of season 2007 was.

They certainly don't have to give him that opportunity, and in which case I don't blame him for being very angry (even if he handled the situation like shit).

[Scott Campbell]

It's a gentleman's game.............

Were talking about football - not fencing.

[Bossman641]

I don't get it.

Even if we take Favre's side of the story as 100% truth what's the worst thing that he complained TT did? Promise he'd interview Mooch and not do it? Refuse to hand him his job over after Favre retired?

If you want to argue that there is some other side of the story we haven't heard I'll direct you to the same reply I had to Merlin. Why in the world would you believe that someone who has stooped to every low possible to take shots at the organization would be holding on to some other information that would make TT and Co. look bad?

If they legitimately made it clear that Favre could compete and if he was equal/better he'd start, then the beef is his. I simply do not believe this is the case. Reading between the lines of what was said, in my opinion there is zero chance he was starting. That's where I think the crappy treatment comes into play.

Maybe there was 0 chance he was going to start. I don't know, but if thats the case, why is that wrong? Don't the coach and GM have that right?

That's the debate in my opinion. I support loyalty, so without a doubt I think they owe it to Favre in that situation to give him a fair chance. It's a gentleman's game and that is very ungentlemanly, especially after the type of season 2007 was.

They certainly don't have to give him that opportunity, and in which case I don't blame him for being very angry (even if he handled the situation like shit).

And having Rodgers go through minicamps and the entire offseason as the starter but then kick him to the curb is a gentlemanly thing to do?

Loyalty is different then a right. You want to talk loyalty, how about Favre giving the organization a timeline of when he would realistically retire? Is this the 5th straight offseason where he has either seriously contemplated retirement or retired?

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And having Rodgers go through minicamps and the entire offseason as the starter but then kick him to the curb is a gentlemanly thing to do?

Where did I say immediately anything that goes against this? Competing, if fair, is the perfectly fair, as the best man wins fair and square.

Loyalty is different then a right. You want to talk loyalty, how about Favre giving the organization a timeline of when he would realistically retire? Is this the 5th straight offseason where he has either seriously contemplated retirement or retired?

You never hear the bitching, though, about guys like Ogden, Seau or Thomas who aren't sure if they want to retire, though, and make it a bit of an annual tease for the past few years.

I agree it's extremely old and overplayed, but I cannot imagine being in that situation and have no idea what it's like so I will reserve judgement.

[Bossman641]

Where did I say immediately anything that goes against this? Competing, if fair, is the perfectly fair, as the best man wins fair and square.

Well that's a whole other story. I just see no way where, even if Rodgers did outplay Favre, they could crown crown Rodgers the starter. The outcry from Favre fans would be ridiculous. How do you think Favre would have reacted to riding the pine? I think not well would be a good guess.

You never hear the bitching, though, about guys like Ogden, Seau or Thomas who aren't sure if they want to retire, though, and make it a bit of an annual tease for the past few years.

I agree it's extremely old and overplayed, but I cannot imagine being in that situation and have no idea what it's like so I will reserve judgement.

To be fair those guys also aren't QB's and I think you'd agree it's much harder to plan to replace a QB then a OT or LB.