Gil Brandt's comments on Ted Thompson

[Partial]

When you start saying that the Cards WRs are "slightly better" than ours...it explains everything.

Fitz is a top 5 receiver. Jennings is a top 5 receiver. Bolden is a top 10 receiver. Driver is a top 15-17 receiver.

Not a huge difference. Both have 1a and 1b. You greatly over-value Bolden. I remember when you were explaning why he was the better receiver, yet a single team would not pony up a 1st to the Cards for him.

I don't know for sure because I don't watch the Cards much, but you really think Breston is that much better than Jordy or Jones?!? Our depth is spectacular.

[cpk1994]

So basically, you don't have any rational. You haven't looked up their stats or their performance. Right. McNabb is the 15th best quarterback in the NFL

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How do even know I have Donovan F. McNabb ranked 15th? I only listed the Top 8 and have a whole group that I could list from 9-12. You really love making an ass of yourself, don't you?

[Partial]

So basically, you don't have any rational. You haven't looked up their stats or their performance. Right. McNabb is the 15th best quarterback in the NFL

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How do even know I have Donovan F. McNabb ranked 15th? I only listed the Top 8 and have a whole group that I could list from 9-12. You really love making an ass of yourself, don't you?

You've implied you lump a whole bunch of QB's with Rodgers, yet he leads the back, despite NOT showing up in the clutch and going 6-10? He's ahead of Matt Ryan, who guides a team with worse personal to the playoffs as a Rookie (do you remember how bad Rodgers was a rookie?!?). Then, you dock played who are clearly better than Rodgers now (more pro bowls, super bowl appearances, wins, etc) because of age?

Your list is a sham.

[Gunakor]

My opinion has never changed about ARod. I believe he is a Top 8, above average QB. Only one other QB in the HISTORY of the NFL did what ARod did last year. That bodes well as that other QB has a couple of SB rings.

Which ones are better? I don't recall seeing you "define" anything.

It was the same thread that Partial lsited his. I believe it went something like this:

P Manning
T Brady
B Rothliesberger
D Brees
E Manning
P Rivers
T Romo
A Rodgers

I see. So what's your rationale to rank Rodgers over Flacco & Ryan? Also, what about Hasselbeck? He's got several years of proven experience including a super bowl appearance.

Not to mention Kurt Warner, Donovan McNabb, etc.

Warner has been lights out when playing with the top WR tandem in the NFL, both in Arizona and in St. Louis. On average teams, he was average.

McNabb is slightly better than garbage. 1 in 3 Philly fans will tell you the same thing. He had to be benched for a half of football before he realized he was just slightly better than garbage and started playing like a starting quarterback again. I really, really don't like McNabb.

[cpk1994]

So basically, you don't have any rational. You haven't looked up their stats or their performance. Right. McNabb is the 15th best quarterback in the NFL

<ty> </ty>

How do even know I have Donovan F. McNabb ranked 15th? I only listed the Top 8 and have a whole group that I could list from 9-12. You really love making an ass of yourself, don't you?

You've implied you lump a whole bunch of QB's with Rodgers, yet he leads the back, despite NOT showing up in the clutch and going 6-10? He's ahead of Matt Ryan, who guides a team with worse personal to the playoffs as a Rookie (do you remember how bad Rodgers was a rookie?!?). Then, you dock played who are clearly better than Rodgers now (more pro bowls, super bowl appearances, wins, etc) because of age?

Your list is a sham.

That's in your opinion. My list is based off of each QB' last year of production(Brady was on IR so I went back a year to get his latest performces). Also, I am not holding the fact that the defense and incompetent DC that Aaron had for support against him. That is why he oesn't have any clutch wins. He put the team in position to win time after time only to have the D blow it. 6-10 was not Rodgers's fault. Everybody sees that and agrees with that except one person: YOU. But I forgot that you are the almighty Partial aand that you are right and everyone who disagrees with you are wrong. The only thing that is a sham is you.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

When you start saying that the Cards WRs are "slightly better" than ours...it explains everything.

Fitz is a top 5 receiver. Jennings is a top 5 receiver. Bolden is a top 10 receiver. Driver is a top 15-17 receiver.

Not a huge difference. Both have 1a and 1b. You greatly over-value Bolden. I remember when you were explaning why he was the better receiver, yet a single team would not pony up a 1st to the Cards for him.

I don't know for sure because I don't watch the Cards much, but you really think Breston is that much better than Jordy or Jones?!? Our depth is spectacular.

Fitz is generally considered to be the best WR in the game. Q is top 10. Q fucking broke his face and came right back. He is a far tougher receiver than anyone we have.

Jennings isn't top 5...in no way, other than your subjective viewpoint, is he...not statistically in any way shape or form.

Receiving yards: Nope.
Rec: Nope
Avg: Nope
YPG: Nope
Longest Td: Nope
TDs: Nope

Driver: You are a homer. He isn't a top 15 receiver. Again, the stats say otherwise.

Pony: The cards wanted more than a first for him. More to the point, what does a trade mean? Some teams dont' need a WR, some dont' value WRs that much, etc.

Not one team offered up a first for Brett...so, does that mean brett is worse than Mark Sanchez.

I only hope your logic is better when you program.

Depth: Based on what? Jordy didnt' do much nor did jones. Breaston was over a 1000 yards. Breaston had more receptions than DD, 3 less Jennings.

Not to mention that Jerheme Urban had 34 receps, 448 yards, and 4 tds.

Jones had 20 catches, 274 yards, 1 td.

Jordy had 33 catches, 336 yards, 2 tds.

The cards 3 and 4 receivers basically doubled ours in receptions and almost tripled ours in yardage.

Yep, that sure is spectacular depth...cardinals must have ULTRA SPECTACULAR DEPTH.

It would be nice if you actually knew what you were talking about once in a while.

[Partial]

Again Ty, who cares about yardage? They're getting the ball thrown to them play after play. Of course the yardage is theres for the taking.

Funny how your tune changes. I remember a post from you before the super bowl about how Q was the better player.

It's not even worth arguing with you. Both teams have 1a and 1b guys.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Again Ty, who cares about yardage? They're getting the ball thrown to them play after play. Of course the yardage is theres for the taking.

Funny how your tune changes. I remember a post from you before the super bowl about how Q was the better player.

It's not even worth arguing with you. Both teams have 1a and 1b guys.

Please feel free to post some facts that put Jennings as top 5 and DD as top 15.

Q: I think he is, but that isn't germane to this argument. And, it is better for you if i don't bring it up...because i and others would rate Q higher...thus making the disparity tween GB WR and Cards even greater.

Every team has 1a and 1b..that doesnt' make them close. Furthermore, what happened to your spectacular depth argument.

Face it, you just got schooled.

Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts dont do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things

[Partial]

Not really. I absolutely think the Packers depth at receiver is equivalent. It's spectacular depth, any way you slice it.

Every team has a 1a and 1b? Right...

Few in here would debate that Jennings is a superstar and top 5 type talent. Who is better? Fitz, Moss, Johnson, Smith, then who? TO? Not at 36. Marshall? I'd rather have Jennings. Johnson? More potential and probably will be better but isn't yet. Wayne? I really don't think so. I don't think it's unrealistic at all to have him as a top 5 receiver.

Driver is probably closer to 20 then 15, I'll give you that one. According to this list, though, he's top 15, and Jennings is top 10(I'd have ranked him higher myself).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/125010-the-top-10-nfl-receivers-2009#page/1

Bill Schroeder used to get a ton of yards. I don't equate yards with greatness how you do. Breston might be a great third receiver, but we have a few pretty good ones too. I don't care if he went over a grand. It's a product of the offense they run.

I'm not going to argue with you because if there is one person on this board who absolutely has to be right, it's you

[Scott Campbell]

Few in here would debate that Jennings is a superstar and top 5 type talent.

Is yardage still overrated?

[Partial]

Few in here would debate that Jennings is a superstar and top 5 type talent.

Is yardage still overrated?

Very much so. By his numbers, Breaston looks like he could be a legit #1 somewhere Nevermind that he started a good chunk of games due to Bolden being out. Nevermind that they simply don't run the ball in the desert. Nevermind that he has a future HOF qb in Warner and two top 10 receivers on each side of him drawing double coverage. Silly facts. They just get in the way

[Scott Campbell]

Few in here would debate that Jennings is a superstar and top 5 type talent.

Is yardage still overrated?

Very much so. By his numbers, Breaston looks like he could be a legit #1 somewhere Nevermind that he started a good chunk of games due to Bolden being out. Nevermind that they simply don't run the ball in the desert. Nevermind that he has a future HOF qb in Warner and two top 10 receivers on each side of him drawing double coverage. Silly facts. They just get in the way

Yardage was the only objective measure that had him sniffing the top 5. Going by TD's, he rates far lower. And don't get me started on his second half.

[Gunakor]

Nevermind that he has a future HOF qb in Warner...

Maybe. I might vote for him, but many wouldn't. He did kinda disappear for a few years after the thumb injury. He just re-emerged 2 seasons ago in AZ. He was battling with Leinhart for the starting job there too. He's no lock, not by a longshot.

[channtheman]

I agree with Ty and his owning of Partial. One thing I have to add though is that Urbin sucks ass. He just does. I don't care what his stats are, other than 1 good catch I noticed in the Atlanta game all he did was pop the ball into the air for interceptions.

[Scott Campbell]

I agree with Ty and his owning of Partial. One thing I have to add though is that Urbin sucks ass. He just does. I don't care what his stats are, other than 1 good catch I noticed in the Atlanta game all he did was pop the ball into the air for interceptions.

Who is Urbin?