Favre and the Hall of Fame: What's Your Reaction?

[Gunakor]

Dan, I'm sorry but that is just too . Are you flipping kidding me? That's your play?

It's a fair argument. He'd have collected his money without sustaining further injury had he just stayed retired. Most people would rather take millions to just relax and enjoy life and stay healthy than to have to endure a 17th year of tremendous physical punishment resulting in injury to make essentially the same money.

[SkinBasket]

I was going to vote, but I couldn't figure out what the fuck this poll was about so I read all these posts, and I have even less of an idea of what the fuck is going on. People are still arguing about Favre going to minicamps? There's a whole internet full of porn to look at people and here you sit going back and forth about Favre's employment prospects 2 years ago. Even reading on-line vampire fan fiction erotica would be time better spent than this nonsense.


Come now, my love. Let us not speak of this. Let us speak of beauty with the language of our hearts.

[ThunderDan]

Dan, I'm sorry but that is just too . Are you flipping kidding me? That's your play?

Alright Partial I'll bite.

First, if I retired from my team as the starting QB I would have made damn sure I was ready to walk away. No one would have pushed me to make a decision.

Second, if I decide I wanted to come back but the team had already moved on because of my retirement I would understand. At this point I would have another decision to make. Do I want to play for another team or should I live up to my earlier word of retiring?

If I still wanted to play, I would have informed TT that I was going to show up to training camp. No going to the media, not having my brother give interviews and not having my agent say how disrespectful the organization was. I retired. I would do everything the staff asked me to do, even if it was taking notes at a meeting. I would happily compete for my spot on the roster.

If you thought out the situation at all you would understand that the Packers can't have a player making $10 M a year sitting on the bench that is a legend for the team no matter how good Rodgers is. As soon as he struggles for a quarter or a half the fans would be calling for me to enter the game and it wouldn't be fair to the other QB.

So this would force TT to trade me or release me if no one wants to trade for me. Now not only do I still get to play football which is what I decided in point two above I get the GM to look like a smuck for trading a Packer legend because I dutifully reported to camp and said I am fine being the back up.

[retailguy]

But there is a middle of the road perspective here.

Dan - you're focused on balancing your reputation with money. That's a fair perspective and I agree that's what most of us would do. But, it's becoming clear that Brett Favre is NOT most of us.

I don't believe this is about money. His ego is so big, there has to be big money attached to the deal, but this is really about that consecutive game streak. I'm positive of that. Also, Dan, on this we agree, Favre doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.... That is abundantly clear.

Scott, I think the "deal" will be out there. $20m guaranteed? Probably not, but on a percentage basis? More than that, ultimately I'd think.

Besides all you guys have ignored the value of the endorsement deals Favre has entered into during his career. If he's only worth $100m, he's been a piss poor money manager....

This shouldn't be about money. There has to be more to it than that.

[ThunderDan]

But there is a middle of the road perspective here.

Dan - you're focused on balancing your reputation with money. That's a fair perspective and I agree that's what most of us would do. But, it's becoming clear that Brett Favre is NOT most of us.

I don't believe this is about money. His ego is so big, there has to be big money attached to the deal, but this is really about that consecutive game streak. I'm positive of that. Also, Dan, on this we agree, Favre doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.... That is abundantly clear.

Scott, I think the "deal" will be out there. $20m guaranteed? Probably not, but on a percentage basis? More than that, ultimately I'd think.

Besides all you guys have ignored the value of the endorsement deals Favre has entered into during his career. If he's only worth $100m, he's been a piss poor money manager....

This shouldn't be about money. There has to be more to it than that.

My point is Brett didn't have to damage his reputation to get traded or released; forget the money part.

The Packers simple could not put Favre on the bench after 2007 with a $10 M contract or for that matter a $5 contract. He was a Packer icon coming off of one of his best years. TT and MM would have looked like fools with ARod running the show and Brett charting plays and defenses.

Knowing that, showing up at training camp would have forced TT to trade or release Favre; which in fact it did. Even Goodell stepped in to stop that fiasco from happening.

Instead a man with a big ego tried to throw his weight around and get what he wanted. By doing that he damaged the one thing that makes him a superstar his legacy with the fans. His on the field play cannot be disputed. The numbers are the numbers.

[cpk1994]

But there is a middle of the road perspective here.

Dan - you're focused on balancing your reputation with money. That's a fair perspective and I agree that's what most of us would do. But, it's becoming clear that Brett Favre is NOT most of us.

I don't believe this is about money. His ego is so big, there has to be big money attached to the deal, but this is really about that consecutive game streak. I'm positive of that. Also, Dan, on this we agree, Favre doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.... That is abundantly clear.

Scott, I think the "deal" will be out there. $20m guaranteed? Probably not, but on a percentage basis? More than that, ultimately I'd think.

Besides all you guys have ignored the value of the endorsement deals Favre has entered into during his career. If he's only worth $100m, he's been a piss poor money manager....

This shouldn't be about money. There has to be more to it than that.

My point is Brett didn't have to damage his reputation to get traded or released; forget the money part.

The Packers simple could not put Favre on the bench after 2007 with a $10 M contract or for that matter a $5 contract. He was a Packer icon coming off of one of his best years. TT and MM would have looked like fools with ARod running the show and Brett charting plays and defenses.

Knowing that, showing up at training camp would have forced TT to trade or release Favre; which in fact it did. Even Goodell stepped in to stop that fiasco from happening.

Instead a man with a big ego tried to throw his weight around and get what he wanted. By doing that he damaged the one thing that makes him a superstar his legacy with the fans. His on the field play cannot be disputed. The numbers are the numbers.

Well said. I will say that Goodell shouldn't have stuck his nose where it didn't belong. This was between Favre and the Packers. Goodell should have butted out. His intrusion only risked TT's bargaining power with other teams.

[SnakeLH2006]

Definitely not trying to side with Partial or fuel the fire, but shit, Brett makes that "mere" $20 Million "after his "retirement" last year with his $12 million with the Jets in 2008 and at least $8 million with the Vikes when he comes back. That offer was/is piddly when you see the scope of how much money he's made/makes. BTW..

Snake, Favre had to get sacked, smashed, spend time practicing and hurting his shoulder to a point were he wasn't able to throw the ball with much velocity.

Taking the 20 M from the Packers he could have hung aroung with the boys, signed autographs, drank sodas and made commercials.

I don't believe that was ever on the radar. Favre wants to play. I think it is about the consecutive games streak. I think that's 90% of the motiviation. A small part is to rub it in Ted's eye. Who cares about that? Didn't all of us want to "tell" an old boss they were wrong?

He's close to Bruce Matthews record. I think that's what is really important to Brett Favre.

What was on the radar? Would you rather make $20 M doing PR or $20 M getting hammered by 300 lbs linemen?

It isn't about me, Dan. Clearly I'd want the 20 mil. It's about Favre. I also think that's clear as well. He doesn't want the 20 mil right now. He wants the all time consecutive game streak.

You get the $20 M either way!

That was Snake's point. He could get the same $20 M by playing for the Jets last year and the Vikings this year or take the marketing deal.

Nope. Nice try though. Dan, do you TRULY think he cares about the money??

My point was he'll get the $20 Million deal (prob. far more than that over time) no matter what. My point was he does NOT care about the money with all the cash he already has, and never played for the money, regardless, but gets it anyway in 2 seasons starting at QB and doing what he loves.

He plays to play, as he's prob. the most intense/competive SOB this side of Michael Jordan. Love him/hate him. I don't think he retires till he can't play anymore. It's obvious his ego is huge, but his love to play is just that too. Combined=He plays till he gets carted off the field. He was gonna play no matter what. So to think he was gonna take that merchandising deal is not in the cards till he wants to. If the Pack said no, they'd be morons as he'll make them millions to appear for them in the future and he knows that. Brett's not stupid, but he's very emotional. He knows he's big money and that's why Goodell supported his comeback last year.

Been saying it for years, and Brett was quoted on it years ago, that he feels of all the records he's most proud of his consecutive games played streak. That is his motivation (and maybe anti-TT shit too) as it's not B. Matthews, but L. Marshall (DE, Vikes) at 270 games played straight...(sorry RetailGuy)Favre is at 269. You guys do the math. If there was a bet in Vegas (and Snake likes to bet) I'd take it that Favre plays this year to snap that streak.

Regardless of how Snake was trying to just get some opinions on if you'd support Brett in Canton, it's impossible in a Favre thread to not get shit twisted. I'll support that SOB, and hope he plays this year, as long as the Pack beat him in the division and head to head.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ouch! Old Fran Tarkenton doesn't mince words here:

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/05/27/thats-incredible-a-former-player-that-isnt-a-fan-of-brett-favres/

Fran was asked about the whole Brett Favre retirement, un-retirement:

“I think it’s despicable. What he put the Packers through last year was not good. Here’s an organization that was loyal to him for 17, 18 years, provided stability of organization, provided players. It just wasn’t about Brett Favre. In this day and time, we have glorified the Brett Favre’s of the world so much, they think it’s about them. He goes to New York and bombs. He’s 39 years old. How would you like Ray Nitschke in his last year (playing for) the Vikings, or I retire, and go play for the Packers. I kind of hope it happens, so he can fail.”

On what more he feels the Packers could have done as an organization during the break-up with Favre:

“They did everything, but you get into a position, and I understand he’s been glorified so much. He’s been a great player, there’s no question about it, but it’s all about him. It is supposed to be all about your team. If you’re going to be the quarterback of your team, you need to be there in the off season workouts in March and April. Peyton Manning’s there. Tom Brady’s there.”

Fran’s take on what he sees out of Favre’s quarterback abilities or lack there of:

“I think he has been a great flamboyant quarterback, but he has made more stupid plays than any great quarterback that I’ve ever seen. Look at his final game in a Packers uniform. He blew that game against the Giants. He’s playing against Eli Manning, I love Eli Manning, but he’s still not a great quarterback. He’s not Peyton yet, or Tom Brady. He’s just a guy. And they’re (Packers) are playing at home, and they’re in a tight situation, they went to overtime and he (Favre) throws the interception that allows them (the Giants) to come back and win the game. He has done that and driven his coaches crazy all of his career.”

[Harlan Huckleby]

Beautifully stated.

But Fran Tarkenton has been on more dodgy, late-night informercials than any former professional athlete in history, unless you count the George Forman grills. Maybe Fran has a screw loose.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Beautifully stated.

But Fran Tarkenton has been on more dodgy, late-night informercials than any former professional athlete in history, unless you count the George Forman grills. Maybe Fran has a screw loose.

Probably. How the might have fallen. From Hall of Fame QB to NFL broadcaster to hawking goods on late-night informercials. On the bright side, it's still a better career path than O.J.

[RashanGary]

Wow. That was one of the best opinions on Favre I've read in a while. In Brett's mind, it was all about the him. He didn't care to be with his teammates when they were working hard to get better. He put himself over everything.

I'm also with Fran on another thing. I hope he goes to Minny so he can fail. It will prove this guy is one of the most over hyped pieces of shit to ever play the game. When I think about the Packers, I try to forget Brett Favre because he's not a good guy and he got way too much credit for being on good teams.

[ThunderDan]

It will prove this guy is one of the most over hyped pieces of shit to ever play the game. When I think about the Packers, I try to forget Brett Favre because he's not a good guy and he got way too much credit for being on good teams.

That is way over the top.

[RashanGary]

You know, TD. I don't think it is. I think Favre is a bad guy that got a lot more credit than he deserved in Green Bay because he was on good teams.

[Fritz]

Ouch! Old Fran Tarkenton doesn't mince words here:

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/05/27/thats-incredible-a-former-player-that-isnt-a-fan-of-brett-favres/

Fran was asked about the whole Brett Favre retirement, un-retirement:

“I think it’s despicable. What he put the Packers through last year was not good. Here’s an organization that was loyal to him for 17, 18 years, provided stability of organization, provided players. It just wasn’t about Brett Favre. In this day and time, we have glorified the Brett Favre’s of the world so much, they think it’s about them. He goes to New York and bombs. He’s 39 years old. How would you like Ray Nitschke in his last year (playing for) the Vikings, or I retire, and go play for the Packers. I kind of hope it happens, so he can fail.”

On what more he feels the Packers could have done as an organization during the break-up with Favre:

“They did everything, but you get into a position, and I understand he’s been glorified so much. He’s been a great player, there’s no question about it, but it’s all about him. It is supposed to be all about your team. If you’re going to be the quarterback of your team, you need to be there in the off season workouts in March and April. Peyton Manning’s there. Tom Brady’s there.”

Fran’s take on what he sees out of Favre’s quarterback abilities or lack there of:

“I think he has been a great flamboyant quarterback, but he has made more stupid plays than any great quarterback that I’ve ever seen. Look at his final game in a Packers uniform. He blew that game against the Giants. He’s playing against Eli Manning, I love Eli Manning, but he’s still not a great quarterback. He’s not Peyton yet, or Tom Brady. He’s just a guy. And they’re (Packers) are playing at home, and they’re in a tight situation, they went to overtime and he (Favre) throws the interception that allows them (the Giants) to come back and win the game. He has done that and driven his coaches crazy all of his career.”

Man, I used to despise Fran Tarkenton. All the stepping out of bounds j-u-s-t before a Packer linebacker was about to waste him. Drove me nuts.

So why do I want to like him now? This seems so wrong. Can't I be left alone to hate in peace?

[ThunderDan]

You know, TD. I don't think it is. I think Favre is a bad guy that got a lot more credit than he deserved in Green Bay because he was on good teams.

Favre may or may not be a bad guy and I think he handled last offseason horribly.

But it was fun to know at the beginning of every season for the last 16 years that we had a shot at making the playoffs and winning the SB. The Packers had some wonderful teams and a very dominant D during the SB years. Having stability at QB, and good to great play, for that long of a period really helped.

You look at teams like Detroit, Chicago, San Fran, Buffalo teams that can't find a QB and you might see one good year here or there but they quickly drop off to non-contenders.

For this reason it was fun watching Rodgers do so well last year. I am hoping that we have "the guy" for the next 6-10 year run.