VICK DA GREAT

[Patler]

But would we be outraged if dogs were used to conduct lab experiments? I would guess yes. And would we be outraged if Vick ran a rat-fighting ring? I highly doubt it.

So this would seem to suggest that we have an arbitrary cultural bias towards dogs. This is ONLY because Americans (primarily) consider dogs as their friends. And because Vick grew up in a culture that doesn't consider dogs as their friends, he saw them as disposable as we do the lab rats (or the rat-fighters in the hypothetical example).

This does not make Vick evil. It makes him a person who was conditioned differently from the rest of us. And I think he's learned his lesson.

I think there clearly is a cultural bias towards dogs. Cock fighting is just as illegal, and while people object to it, there is not the same passion as for stories about dog fighting. But then, the average rooster is not nearly as cuddly as a dog.

[Zool]

I would go to a rat fight.

[Deputy Nutz]

I would go to a rat fight.

I would go see you fight a rat.

[Deputy Nutz]

The last post also underscores the fact that we as humans use animals to our own ends all the time, good or bad.

Rats are bred and pumped with all kinds of diseases to test certain drugs. They suffer through cancer and the rest of our worst ailments. Then they are discarded when their purpose is met.

These rats are used purely for our benefit. There is no consideration whatsoever of the well-being and lives of the rats. Therefore, we use the rats to benefit our own lives.

Vick and co. used and abused dogs purely for their own benefit, without consideration of their well-being and lives. They benefited their own lives by partaking in recreation and making money.

So of course, it is good to save human lives at the expense of a rat's. And it is bad to gamble at the expense of a dog.

But would we be outraged if dogs were used to conduct lab experiments? I would guess yes. And would we be outraged if Vick ran a rat-fighting ring? I highly doubt it.

So this would seem to suggest that we have an arbitrary cultural bias towards dogs. This is ONLY because Americans (primarily) consider dogs as their friends. And because Vick grew up in a culture that doesn't consider dogs as their friends, he saw them as disposable as we do the lab rats (or the rat-fighters in the hypothetical example).

This does not make Vick evil. It makes him a person who was conditioned differently from the rest of us. And I think he's learned his lesson.

I think you are a sick fuck regardless of culture when you decide to torture an animal, and beat an animal to death because of your own personal gain.

i get dog fighting, what I don't get is the poor fucking treatment of these animals before and after the fight. I guess using the cultureral outlet means that African Americans are sick fucks that love to kick the shit out of dogs. Excuse me, African Americans in the South. Is Virginia even considered the South anymore? Where does the blame get shifted to next? I know you didn't specifically blame the Black Culture for dog fighting, you just said he is conditioned differently. Well I guess it would be an argument if you said that the culture that he was raised in were indifferent to dogs. Not a culture that abused animals.

[Freak Out]

Is Virginia even considered the South anymore?

Go to Richmond.

[Patler]

I think you are a sick fuck regardless of culture when you decide to torture an animal, and beat an animal to death because of your own personal gain.

i get dog fighting, what I don't get is the poor fucking treatment of these animals before and after the fight. I guess using the cultureral outlet means that African Americans are sick fucks that love to kick the shit out of dogs. Excuse me, African Americans in the South. Is Virginia even considered the South anymore? Where does the blame get shifted to next? I know you didn't specifically blame the Black Culture for dog fighting, you just said he is conditioned differently. Well I guess it would be an argument if you said that the culture that he was raised in were indifferent to dogs. Not a culture that abused animals.

Yet bullfighting has been practiced openly and accepted as a cultural ritual for a very long time. The bull is openly maimed in a traditional Spanish style bullfight by severing muscle with a lance and inserting barbs into the muscles to keep the bulls head low during the "fight" with the matador. The fight can go on for a long time from the first lancing, with the bull suffering and bleeding profusely before he is killed. Again, all for the entertainment of the spectators.

Instead of one dog maiming another, we have humans maiming a bull. Is it really so different?

[Scott Campbell]

I think you are a sick fuck regardless of culture when you decide to torture an animal, and beat an animal to death because of your own personal gain.

i get dog fighting, what I don't get is the poor fucking treatment of these animals before and after the fight. I guess using the cultureral outlet means that African Americans are sick fucks that love to kick the shit out of dogs. Excuse me, African Americans in the South. Is Virginia even considered the South anymore? Where does the blame get shifted to next? I know you didn't specifically blame the Black Culture for dog fighting, you just said he is conditioned differently. Well I guess it would be an argument if you said that the culture that he was raised in were indifferent to dogs. Not a culture that abused animals.

Yet bullfighting has been practiced openly and accepted as a cultural ritual for a very long time. The bull is openly maimed in a traditional Spanish style bullfight by severing muscle with a lance and inserting barbs into the muscles to keep the bulls head low during the "fight" with the matador. The fight can go on for a long time from the first lancing, with the bull suffering and bleeding profusely before he is killed. Again, all for the entertainment of the spectators.

Instead of one dog maiming another, we have humans maiming a bull. Is it really so different?

Neither form of entertainment is acceptable, or legal here.

[pbmax]

African Americans are hardly the only race/ethnicity to practice dog fighting in this country. KYPack posted on the number of reports he sees locally (he specifically mentions Kentucky and Indiana as having laws preventing the fights that are less strict than other jurisdictions) are more often poor whites engaging in this activity.

And as Patler points out about bullfighting, it can affect any culture. Economic status probably is a better indicator in dog or cockfighting. And as with anything, cultural conditioning might explain the behavior across a large population of people, it doesn't make any individual guiltless of acting inhumanely.

[Patler]

I think you are a sick fuck regardless of culture when you decide to torture an animal, and beat an animal to death because of your own personal gain.

i get dog fighting, what I don't get is the poor fucking treatment of these animals before and after the fight. I guess using the cultureral outlet means that African Americans are sick fucks that love to kick the shit out of dogs. Excuse me, African Americans in the South. Is Virginia even considered the South anymore? Where does the blame get shifted to next? I know you didn't specifically blame the Black Culture for dog fighting, you just said he is conditioned differently. Well I guess it would be an argument if you said that the culture that he was raised in were indifferent to dogs. Not a culture that abused animals.

Yet bullfighting has been practiced openly and accepted as a cultural ritual for a very long time. The bull is openly maimed in a traditional Spanish style bullfight by severing muscle with a lance and inserting barbs into the muscles to keep the bulls head low during the "fight" with the matador. The fight can go on for a long time from the first lancing, with the bull suffering and bleeding profusely before he is killed. Again, all for the entertainment of the spectators.

Instead of one dog maiming another, we have humans maiming a bull. Is it really so different?

Neither form of entertainment is acceptable, or legal here.

Sure, but are our standards necessarily the right standards?

Is it OK to raise dogs, butcher them humanely and eat them? Some people do it, but I suspect most Americans find it reprehensible. Yet we raise, butcher and eat cows without a second thought for most of us.

[MOBB DEEP]

Is Virginia even considered the South anymore?

Go to Richmond.

exactly! or roanoke....

[MichiganPackerFan]

I just moved to the area, but am I right that Northern Virginia (NOVA) bears no resemblence whatsoever to the rest of the state?

[Scott Campbell]

I think you are a sick fuck regardless of culture when you decide to torture an animal, and beat an animal to death because of your own personal gain.

i get dog fighting, what I don't get is the poor fucking treatment of these animals before and after the fight. I guess using the cultureral outlet means that African Americans are sick fucks that love to kick the shit out of dogs. Excuse me, African Americans in the South. Is Virginia even considered the South anymore? Where does the blame get shifted to next? I know you didn't specifically blame the Black Culture for dog fighting, you just said he is conditioned differently. Well I guess it would be an argument if you said that the culture that he was raised in were indifferent to dogs. Not a culture that abused animals.

Yet bullfighting has been practiced openly and accepted as a cultural ritual for a very long time. The bull is openly maimed in a traditional Spanish style bullfight by severing muscle with a lance and inserting barbs into the muscles to keep the bulls head low during the "fight" with the matador. The fight can go on for a long time from the first lancing, with the bull suffering and bleeding profusely before he is killed. Again, all for the entertainment of the spectators.

Instead of one dog maiming another, we have humans maiming a bull. Is it really so different?

Neither form of entertainment is acceptable, or legal here.

Sure, but are our standards necessarily the right standards?

At this point in time I think the answer is yes.

[Patler]

Neither form of entertainment is acceptable, or legal here.

Sure, but are our standards necessarily the right standards?

At this point in time I think the answer is yes.

Perhaps then you would like to address the second part of my last post, of which you repeated only the easily answered part?:

Is it OK to raise dogs, butcher them humanely and eat them? Some people do it, but I suspect most Americans find it reprehensible. Yet we raise, butcher and eat cows without a second thought for most of us.

[MOBB DEEP]

I just moved to the area, but am I right that Northern Virginia (NOVA) bears no resemblence whatsoever to the rest of the state?

BINGO!

fairfax county is probably top 5 most affluent counties in the country

start traveling south and its worlds apart

same as maryland; the counties closet to the DC metropolitan area are nice but travel past charles county u run into some impoverished rural folk who some times dont have running water!

i used to live in alexandria, va for 2 years off of route 1....u near there?

[hoosier]

I think you are a sick fuck regardless of culture when you decide to torture an animal, and beat an animal to death because of your own personal gain.

i get dog fighting, what I don't get is the poor fucking treatment of these animals before and after the fight. I guess using the cultureral outlet means that African Americans are sick fucks that love to kick the shit out of dogs. Excuse me, African Americans in the South. Is Virginia even considered the South anymore? Where does the blame get shifted to next? I know you didn't specifically blame the Black Culture for dog fighting, you just said he is conditioned differently. Well I guess it would be an argument if you said that the culture that he was raised in were indifferent to dogs. Not a culture that abused animals.

Yet bullfighting has been practiced openly and accepted as a cultural ritual for a very long time. The bull is openly maimed in a traditional Spanish style bullfight by severing muscle with a lance and inserting barbs into the muscles to keep the bulls head low during the "fight" with the matador. The fight can go on for a long time from the first lancing, with the bull suffering and bleeding profusely before he is killed. Again, all for the entertainment of the spectators.

Instead of one dog maiming another, we have humans maiming a bull. Is it really so different?

Neither form of entertainment is acceptable, or legal here.

Sure, but are our standards necessarily the right standards?

Is it OK to raise dogs, butcher them humanely and eat them? Some people do it, but I suspect most Americans find it reprehensible. Yet we raise, butcher and eat cows without a second thought for most of us.

If only they could learn to stop asking what's in the funny looking dish with water chestnuts and bean sprouts!