VICK DA GREAT

[MJZiggy]

So then Malcolm X is irrelevant.

[MOBB DEEP]

and i wouldnt be surprised in more black folk support vick than white folk; i think we are much more forgiving of black folk regardless of the crime because to not do so would paint us as some kind of "Uncle Tom" siding with the whites and an outcast of the mob mentality of contemporary black society (like Jesus)

Fixed.

he he...took the words right out my mouth

not...

u think u know something about black culture huh??

trust me, we are NOT homogenous

as the late great malcolm x said, some africans/black folk are more european than the european himself

mental slavery that outlasted chattel slavery

ive even been told i "talk white" b/c im upwardly mobile and well-read; despite the fact that i champion the philosophy of the Black Panthers and brother malcolm

Black culture isn't nearly as mysterious as you want to make it out to be. Perpetuating the myth that somehow non-blacks don't know what it's like to be black and therefore cannot possibly understand black culture is about as useful as claiming you're well read, but expressing yourself like a 3rd grader. Any culture can be studied and understood by applying the emotions and experiences that all humans share. Unless there are emotions reserved only for black Americans that you're all hiding from the rest of the world?

Maybe it's time some people stopped hiding behind their race as a means to explain thoughts and behavior that would otherwise be unacceptable or unreasonable and started expressing themselves in a meaningful way that allows them to share themselves, their beliefs, and experiences with the rest of the world. Maybe they would learn more about themselves than they thought they could.

I don't think black America is by any means homogeneous. However, deviation (sexual, political, racial, social, etc...) from the collective contemporary culture oftentimes leads to exile from the "black community." The notion exists and is promoted regularly that if a black person acts in accordance with their own self interest instead of in the supposed interest of black people as a whole, they are labeled a sell out, an Uncle Tom, a race traitor - instead of simply being an individual with beliefs and self interests that lie outside the mainstream of black Americans.

Just out of curiosity, what is it exactly, or generally, about the philosophy of the Black Panthers and brother malcolm that you champion?

c'mon man, its not the 1970s so folk arent thinking one is a sell-out for having a success orientation... thats what i meant by you being wrong in your previous post... even folk ive talked to in the hood think vick was dumb for not exercising discretion or for being involved in such non-sense given his SES and potential...just b/c some may think he was treated unfairly doesnt mean they support his actions as some sort of "cool" thing to do

reading about black culture or even having a few black associates doesnt automatically make one an expert on the group as a whole...just like studying the mau mau hasnt made me all-knowing about their culture..all my pals in highschool were white and its the dominant culture so quite naturally we should "know" more about u all as a result of mainstream mediums

what i endorse about the panthers and bro malcolm is their advocating racial pride and how this promotes said success orientation (my dissertation proved as much with 3 and 5 grade boys)...oh, and i would have DEF been the gun palming type back then as opposed to turning other cheek ala martin - peace bobby seale and lil bobby hutton

you've made a few assumptions that speak to ignorance but i dont hold it against you b/c thats the way man is...i dont even care that much- live and let live....god bless

[MOBB DEEP]

and i wouldnt be surprised in more black folk support vick than white folk; i think we are much more forgiving of black folk regardless of the crime because to not do so would paint us as some kind of "Uncle Tom" siding with the whites and an outcast of the mob mentality of contemporary black society (like Jesus)

Fixed.

he he...took the words right out my mouth

not...

u think u know something about black culture huh??

trust me, we are NOT homogenous

as the late great malcolm x said, some africans/black folk are more european than the european himself

mental slavery that outlasted chattel slavery

ive even been told i "talk white" b/c im upwardly mobile and well-read; despite the fact that i champion the philosophy of the Black Panthers and brother malcolm

yet you write deliberately in some sort of quasi-ebonic style that ought to offend yourself.

sorry i dont impress you by how i post on a forum meant for ENTERTAINMENT.... my advisor in grad school LOVED my writing skills as wel as my boss who gave me a raise last month..will u pay me if i show improvement smart guy? actully the rolln eyes is kinda gay but oh well..

[MOBB DEEP]

You "talk white" but you don't respect Malcolm X enough to capitalize his name? Curious that Africans is not but Black Panthers is capitalized, though...

MJ, the way i type anyone or any orgs name does not represent my feelings about them/it and their importance! its a sports forum...i have the worse grammar on packerrats b/c of laziness or irrelavance

glad to see you love malcolm tho

If you don't take your methods and means of communication seriously, how do you expect others to do so?

NOT THAT SERIOUS - are u just into banter or something? my typing is THAT meaningful in the grand scheme?

you win, i suck at posting

[MOBB DEEP]

So then Malcolm X is irrelevant.

yep, thats EXACTLY what i meant to convey MJ

[SkinBasket]

c'mon man, its not the 1970s so folk arent thinking one is a sell-out for having a success orientation... thats what i meant by you being wrong in your previous post... even folk ive talked to in the hood think vick was dumb for not exercising discretion or for being involved in such non-sense given his SES and potential...just b/c some may think he was treated unfairly doesnt mean they support his actions as some sort of "cool" thing to do

reading about black culture or even having a few black associates doesnt automatically make one an expert on the group as a whole...just like studying the mau mau hasnt made me all-knowing about their culture..all my pals in highschool were white and its the dominant culture so quite naturally we should "know" more about u all as a result of mainstream mediums

what i endorse about the panthers and bro malcolm is their advocating racial pride and how this promotes said success orientation (my dissertation proved as much with 3 and 5 grade boys)...oh, and i would have DEF been the gun palming type back then as opposed to turning other cheek ala martin - peace bobby seale and lil bobby hutton

you've mad a few assumptions that speak to ignorance but i dont hold it against you b/c thats the way man is...god bless

No it's not the 1970's, so maybe it's time to stop acting like it is. You want to treat black culture like it's some kind of exclusive club with all kinds of secret handshakes and things us white folk just don't understand. Unfortunately for your perspective, black culture has seen a lot of exposure to the "main stream" over the past 20 years. Accusing those who don't agree with certain aspects of said culture of racism or ignorance is just another excuse to continue being racist and ignorant, which I really don't believe you are.

Like it or not, black American culture is still part of American culture as a whole. Some of us white folk pay attention. Some of us have experience and relationships with black folk - even "hood" folk. At some point you'll have to own up to those aspects that don't reflect well on that culture instead of deflecting with charges of ignorance. Or maybe not, since we're just on an internet forum.

I respect your opinions, but I hope you understand that I find some of your positions just as ignorant as you seem to find mine. The difference, from my perspective, is that I'm not using that ignorance as an excuse or a free pass.

[MOBB DEEP]

c'mon man, its not the 1970s so folk arent thinking one is a sell-out for having a success orientation... thats what i meant by you being wrong in your previous post... even folk ive talked to in the hood think vick was dumb for not exercising discretion or for being involved in such non-sense given his SES and potential...just b/c some may think he was treated unfairly doesnt mean they support his actions as some sort of "cool" thing to do

reading about black culture or even having a few black associates doesnt automatically make one an expert on the group as a whole...just like studying the mau mau hasnt made me all-knowing about their culture..all my pals in highschool were white and its the dominant culture so quite naturally we should "know" more about u all as a result of mainstream mediums

what i endorse about the panthers and bro malcolm is their advocating racial pride and how this promotes said success orientation (my dissertation proved as much with 3 and 5 grade boys)...oh, and i would have DEF been the gun palming type back then as opposed to turning other cheek ala martin - peace bobby seale and lil bobby hutton

you've mad a few assumptions that speak to ignorance but i dont hold it against you b/c thats the way man is...god bless

No it's not the 1970's, so maybe it's time to stop acting like it is. You want to treat black culture like it's some kind of exclusive club with all kinds of secret handshakes and things us white folk just don't understand. Unfortunately for your perspective, black culture has seen a lot of exposure to the "main stream" over the past 20 years. Accusing those who don't agree with certain aspects of said culture of racism or ignorance is just another excuse to continue being racist and ignorant, which I really don't believe you are.

Like it or not, black American culture is still part of American culture as a whole. Some of us white folk pay attention. Some of us have experience and relationships with black folk - even "hood" folk. At some point you'll have to own up to those aspects that don't reflect well on that culture instead of deflecting with charges of ignorance. Or maybe not, since we're just on an internet forum.

I respect your opinions, but I hope you understand that I find some of your positions just as ignorant as you seem to find mine. The difference, from my perspective, is that I'm not using that ignorance as an excuse or a free pass.

maybe u misunderstood my position; not once have i posted that WE should get a free pass b/c we're just misunderstood....and im the most affable cat ever so i have NO problem being corrected or educated; im an information seeker

folk just need to remain lighthearted since lifes too short to be complaining about grammar imho

[mraynrand]

and i wouldnt be surprised in more black folk support vick than white folk; i think we are much more forgiving of black folk regardless of the crime because to not do so would paint us as some kind of "Uncle Tom" siding with the whites and an outcast of the mob mentality of contemporary black society (like Jesus)

Fixed.

he he...took the words right out my mouth

not...

u think u know something about black culture huh??

trust me, we are NOT homogenous

as the late great malcolm x said, some africans/black folk are more european than the european himself

mental slavery that outlasted chattel slavery

ive even been told i "talk white" b/c im upwardly mobile and well-read; despite the fact that i champion the philosophy of the Black Panthers and brother malcolm

yet you write deliberately in some sort of quasi-ebonic style that ought to offend yourself.

sorry i dont impress you by how i post on a forum meant for ENTERTAINMENT....

Actually, the way you write does impress me - that's why I commented on it. You ideas and the way you express them impress me as confused, demeaning (mostly to you) and and often self-contradictory. For example, would you care to define black 'culture' and white 'culture?'

[mraynrand]

maybe u misunderstood my position; not once have i posted that WE should get a free pass b/c we're just misunderstood...

which 'WE' - I thought you claimed it was a non-homogeneous. Isn't characterizing an entire group as being uniform a contradiction and also stereotyping?

[SkinBasket]

You "talk white" but you don't respect Malcolm X enough to capitalize his name? Curious that Africans is not but Black Panthers is capitalized, though...

MJ, the way i type anyone or any orgs name does not represent my feelings about them/it and their importance! its a sports forum...i have the worse grammar on packerrats b/c of laziness or irrelavance

glad to see you love malcolm tho

If you don't take your methods and means of communication seriously, how do you expect others to do so?

NOT THAT SERIOUS - are u just into banter or something? my typing is THAT meaningful in the grand scheme?

you win, i suck at posting

I would simply point out that we're on a forum, where you use written words to express your ideas and thoughts. If you don't take those words seriously, I wouldn't expect anyone to take your ideas too seriously either. Seems counter productive to posting them in the first place. But hey, if you want that to be "your thing," then who am I to judge how you want others to perceive you?

folk just need to remain lighthearted since lifes too short

tru dat.


Did I do that right?

[NewsBruin]

I'm glad Mobb posts here, so we can treat him like the Packerrats' Ambassador to the Black Race.

Mobb, when you go on your next embassy, would you mind asking them to justify Isaac the Bartender?

Regarding an earlier post, I mentioned AI, not because I didn't like him -I think he's tough as nails and fun to watch- but because every year we hear the obligatory sports story of "Will he step up and be a leader?", which includes the required introspective comments and promises of seriousness and maturity we demand from our athletes.

That's why I mentioned Leinert, too. Oh, this is a super-serious season for him. He's a dad now and has no time for beer-funnelling and football and leadership are super-important and blahdyblahblah.

The media was asking the same questions about Vick before the arrest, and it was getting the same stock promises. Obviously, his circumstances have changed. His starting position is no longer a guarantee, and he'll likely not be wheeled around by the owner on the stadium floor. How he will respond, I have no idea.

[SnakeLH2006]

Wow.

"Pssst..Hey, Mobb...Snake just rolled one up bro. Sneak out back."

LOL. Lighten up folks, please. Mobb seems to be a pretty good guy. It's an Internet forum. Let the man talk. He's not hurting, threatening anyone. Snake is entertained by this topic, though. I'll buy you all a beer, even.

[MichiganPackerFan]

LOL. Lighten up folks, please. Mobb seems to be a pretty good guy. It's an Internet forum. Let the man talk. He's not hurting, threatening anyone. Snake is entertained by this topic, though. I'll buy you all a beer, even.

Agreed. Nicely put.

[pbmax]

Well, we seem to have made progress since the bannings. We have gone from attacking each other over the content of the posts (Favre) to attacking each other for the writing style of our posts.

Good work everyone. We all know how well "suggestions" on how to personally improve are always gladly received and never misinterpreted on an anonymous message board. Especially when they are framed in the non-threating and non-hysterical background of race.

I am sure this will all end harmoniously. Capitalization, the impenetrability of black culture, Malcolm X and Ebonics. All fit subjects for the reinstatement of Michael Vick.

edit: Dammit, how did I forget to use this?

[KYPack]

Mobb deserves an occasional ear pull, but this little session might be excessive.

There is some scuttlebut afoot that Vick may just sign with the Seattle Seahawks. Mora knows him and Seattle is just far enough off the beaten path that he might just be able to become a back-up and ease his way back in the league.

We will see.