Vince Young Potentially on Trading Block?

[DonHutson]

The Dolphins spent a 2 or 3 on Pat White primarily to run their wildcat for a few snaps every week. So Young should be worth at least that, though his depression and this recent pissing and moaning should cast doubt on him becoming an effective leader.

[cheesner]

Waiting on a response.

I don't really understand the Harrington comparisons. Young is a winner and has won at every level. Harrington never experienced any success as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Harrington

Harrington finished his college career with a 25-3 record (including bowl wins against 12th-ranked Texas and 3rd-ranked Colorado)

National championships? Playoff appearances in the NFL, pro bowls?!?

Come on, Vince Young?

He led the league in turnovers averaging 26 fumbles and 34 interceptions.

[Scott Campbell]

SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

Come on P - you're taking this too seriously.

[th87]

SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

This is the sound of a house of cards falling down.

[RashanGary]

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SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

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SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

Sadly, the only reason you are remembered any more Partial is because of your hairbrained arguements without much, if any, factual basis.

That being said, I understand why RG always sticks up for Partial. Maybe he was the one who always fought off the bullies from the weaker children(or told the teacher). Without Partial and other misinformed(yet passionate) posters, this place would just be a bunch of know-it-alls agreeing with each other.

You see, Partial is a necessary evil.

[cheesner]

Sadly, the only reason you are remembered any more Partial is because of your hairbrained arguements without much, if any, factual basis.

That being said, I understand why RG always sticks up for Partial. Maybe he was the one who always fought off the bullies from the weaker children(or told the teacher). Without Partial and other misinformed(yet passionate) posters, this place would just be a bunch of know-it-alls agreeing with each other.

You see, Partial is a necessary evil.

I don't think people mind contrary views. I don't think people mind foolish opinions. It is when the view is contrary and foolish AND the person makes up his own facts, does not address his obvious errors, and just jumps around to other 'evidence' to support his view, that what gets people frustrated. And when it belittles a player on our favorite team, it tends to get people riled up.

[ThunderDan]

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Harvey... Rodgers couldn't get it done in the clutch. How many times did he chuck up a foolish interception instead of scoring a touchdown? Lots.

I see this argument brought up a lot, and Id like to take some time to address it. Lets take a look at the close games in 2008.

Tennessee

Rodgers drove the team to a tying score with 5:30 remaining. Green Bay had the ball again once there after, Tennessee on the other hand, had 3 more possessions since that score. Rodgers did not throw an interception from 5:30 onwards

EXHAUSTED DEFENSE... WE SCORED 16 POINTS. 16. 1-6. ONE TOUCHDOWN. ONE TOUCHDOWN ALL DAY. IS THAT DOING THERE JOB ADEQUATELY? MAYBE TO SOME, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK SO GIVEN THE RULES TO FAVOR OFFENSE IN THE NFL. WE HELD FOR TWO OF THREE POSESSIONS WHILE THE OFFENSE COULDN'T GET IT DONE... ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HOLD OUT ALL DAY?!? IS THAT THE STATUS QUO? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE GREATEST D IN NFL HISTORY? WE GAVE UP 19 POINTS. RAVENS OF 2000 SAID IF THEY GAVE UP 17 POINTS IN A GAME THEY DID THEIR JOB VERY, VERY WELL. WE GAVE UP 19. TWO MORE. OUR OFFENSE WAS HORRIBLE AND RESULTED IN AN EXHAUSTED DEFENSE.

Minnesota

Rodgers drove the team down to a FG to put them up 6 with 5:56 remaining. Minnesota came down and scored a TD with 2:30 to go. Rodgers came back down to lineup for a FG with :02 left, which was missed. No interceptions the entire game

Rodgers drove the team into scoring position twice in 5:56 They still lost


THEY SCORED 1 TOUCHDOWN YET AGAIN AND DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ALL GAME OFFENSIVELY, YET THIS IS FORGIVEN BECAUSE HE DROVE THEM DOWN IN THE END? IF NOT FOR THE D PLAYING OUT OF THEIR MINDS THEY HAD ZERO CHANCE OF BEING IN THIS GAME, BUT THAT IS FORGOTTEN BY THE HOMERS. HOW MANY GAMES ARE YOU IN AGAINST A GOOD TEAM WHEN YOU SCORE ONE BLOODY TD OFFENSIVELY? NOT MANY.

Carolina

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 2 minutes left on an 80 yard 9:13 drive, only to see CAR gain the lead a mere 0:27 seconds later. Only THEN threw an interception, with 1:09 from his own 17.

GOOD DRIVE, THEN HE GOES IN BLOWS IT. DEFENSE SHOULD HAVE HELD, BUT IT DIDN'T. GOOD PLAYERS DON'T MAKE EXCUSES. RODGERS HAD THE BALL IN HIS HAND, IN A SITUATION WHERE YOUNG THRIVES AND WINS GAMES, AND HE FAILED TO DELIVER AND GAVE BASICALLY A SURE FIRE TOUCHDOWN TO THE OPPOSITION AS OPPOSED TO DRIVING DOWN THE FIELD AND AT LEAST GIVING THE D A CHANCE

Houston

Rodgers took the lead with 6 minutes left on a TD. The Packers only had the ball one more time. Houston had the ball twice thereafter. Rodgers threw 0 interceptions after the TD.

D WAS BAD BUT WHERE WAS THE O. TRUTH BE TOLD I DON'T REMEMBER THIS GAME. HOW MANY POINTS DID WE HAVE? 20? IS THAT ENOUGH? DID THEY MOVE THE BALL WELL IN THE SECOND HALF?

Jacksonville

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 5:40 left. The lead evaporated 3:39 minutes later. Rodgers threw the interception with :46 remaining. Do you expect him to score twice ever 5:40? Is this Arena ball?

NO, I DON'T. I EXPECT THEM TO SUSTAIN DRIVES AND KEEP THE PRESSURE OFF THE D. THEY SCORED 16 POINTS IN THIS GAME. THEY GAVE UP 20. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED A GOOD O. YOU GUYS CLAIM HE'S SUCH A PREMIERE QUARTERBACK, BUT PREMIERE QBS PUT UP MORE THAN 20 POINTS AGAINST CRAPPY OPPONENTS AND THEY DON'T RELY ON THEIR DEFENSE WEEK AFTER WEEK.

YOU SAY ARENA BALL... I SAY WHERE WAS THE OFFENSE UP UNTIL THE END OF THE GAME?!? DEFENSE IS DESTINED FOR FAILURE WITH POOR OFFENSIVE PERFORMANCES LIKE THIS.

Chicago

Rodgers drove the team down with 0:25 seconds left, only to see Crosby's kick blocked. 0 interceptions in the 4th quarter.

I DON'T REMEMBER THIS GAME EITHER, HOW MANY POINTS DID WE SCORE? HOW MANY SECOND HALF DRIVES DID WE SUSTAIN? TIME OF POSESSION? SNAPS? ETC. I DON'T REMEMBER THE OFFENSE BEING ANYTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT.

17 POINTS ISN'T GOOD, ANY WAY YOU WRITE IT. THEY GAVE UP 20 TOTAL IN 5 QUARTERS. AGAIN, THE BEST DEFENSE OF ALL TIME SAID GIVING UP 17 IS A GREAT DAY. HOW MANY POINTS IS THE D ON OUR OFFENSIVE-CENTRIC TEAM SUPPOSED TO GIVE UP? 2? 3? 4?

Thats 2 interceptions in 6 games. Hardly "a lot." Partial I suggest that if you want to be a more welcomed and appreciated member on packerrats, you don't have to change your views, but rather your ways of expressing them. Perhaps doing research, as I have done here, to back up your claims, would go a long way.

SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

Tennessee-

Their D average 14.6 ppg and 293 ygp, so we score 16 which is better than average and net (not gross) 390 yards.

Minnesota-

We got our asses handed to us all day. GB scored 13 against a team averaging 20.8

Carolina-

We score 31 against a team that averaged 20.6 point against and scored 21 ponts alone in the 2nd half. We racked up 438 net yards.

Houston-

We scored 21 points against a team that averaged 24.6 points against. We netted 387 yards that game. The Houston offense netted 549 yards.

Jacksonville-

We scored 16 points against a team that averaged 22.9 points against. GB did net 338 yards which is right at the Jaguars average.

Chicago-

We scored 17 points against a team that averaged 21.9 points against. I blame this loss on MM for taking the ball out of Rodgers hand in the 2nd half. GB netted 221 yards in the first half and scored 14 points. We became ultra conservative in the 2nd half and J Bush muffed a punt to set-up the Bears deep for the 1st TD in the 3rd Q. We completely dominated Chicago for 7 quarters last year.

[ThunderDan]

Two last items.

Only 4 teams scored more point against Tennesse all year. The Colts did it twice. And they were 34, 23, 21 and 17.

How they hell did we give up over 500 yards to Houston?

[RashanGary]

Exactly, this is a PACKER forum. Of course you're going to find people who take exception to knocking our QB or our GM.

And we all play by a set of rules. When you're wrong, it's common courtesy to give the other guy props. We all do that. Partial just gives a switcharoo instead. I've had frustrated moments in the past with people who do that so I understand how Partial's obvious but annoying act could get old.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

From PFT

"For his career, the former University of Texas star has completed 57.3 percent of his throws for 4,964 yards, 22 touchdowns, and 32 interceptions for a 68.8 quarterback rating."

Those numbers mean nothing. Wins and losses are all that matter.

Being on the bench most of last season means nothing as well.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He'll take whatever team he lands on to the playoffs. He's a playmaker.

And RG was wondering why people bash you.

You walk right into this shit. Whatever, I guess playmakers drafted 3rd overall with shitty stats, bad accuracy, and a horrible mental makeup get beat out by journeyman QB's all the time.

How many come from behind victories does he have using his arm or legs?

How many playoff appearances does he have?

I rest my case. Very tough to deny that he's a playmaker.

He wasn't the right player for Tennessee, that doesn't mean he's not a very good player. How you can watch a player and ignore such physical superiority to basically all of his peers is astounding. He's a man among boys from an athletic standpoint.

Vernon Davis is quite the athlete as well.

We can only wish that Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning had his athletic ability.

Think of what they coulda accomplished. Ty weeps for them.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't really understand the Harrington comparisons. Young is a winner and has won at every level. Harrington never experienced any success as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Harrington

Harrington finished his college career with a 25-3 record (including bowl wins against 12th-ranked Texas and 3rd-ranked Colorado)

I think you are proving his partial's point. Three fucking losses. I can't believe anyone thought he was a winner.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

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SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

RG,

I admire that you have values, even if i dont' agree with them. But, c'mon. Sad?

This is the old joke of the frog and the scorpion. You can't be sad/upset/suprised when the scorp stings you.

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer...and which ever one partial is to you, realize that he is going to knife you.

[retailguy]

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SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

RG,

I admire that you have values, even if i dont' agree with them. But, c'mon. Sad?

This is the old joke of the frog and the scorpion. You can't be sad/upset/suprised when the scorp stings you.

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer...and which ever one partial is to you, realize that he is going to knife you.

If there were an icon for frustration, I'd have used it. But there isn't, so I got as close as I could. It was disappointing.