Vikes give Favre deadline

[Cheesehead Craig]

Brett is like a husband or wife that cheats. Yes, you can get past it, yes you can stay married, yes you can still love that person...but, ultimately, the love and relationship you have after the affair is never the same.

Oh Ty, I'll always take you back even after all your weeks away on those drug "binges". I love you man!

I know you would.

But, i dont' think you could stand to be second fiddle to Soup!!!!!!!!!

Damn that Soup! Damn him all to hell!!!

[Scott Campbell]

I'm not sure I'd go that far about either side. People are mostly just ornery and pissed off about it. A lot of this is venting.

That's the part I don't understand Scott. If people are happy he's gone, happy not to go through the "will he play, won't he play" stuff, then why are they pissed of if he plays for another team? Those people believe he's no good anymore at QB so why be pissed he's playing for another team? Maybe the pissed off part has a bit to do with some fear that he might just have "it" left in the old tank ......and maybe deep down some wish he would have played for the Packers ONE more year. But admitting that would be doubting TT and company......and we know that's forbidden here.

Well I'd give you my rebuttal, but I'm guessing you've got it memorized by now anyway.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, nice try at trolling on TT and company.

"trolling"........funny!!!

About as funny as you suggesting that arguments against Brett are because we are defending TT and the pack.

BTW, you do know that it is the packers....not the green bay favres.

[The Shadow]

Brett is telling us that our relationship is not that special, that isn't worth much to him..or that he feels he can get by.

Sorry. But another way to look at it.....

was TT and company that told "us" that Brett's relationship with the packers was not that special.

Choosing to not put in the time required to work and study with the team,and holding your team's plans hostage every year with the retirement drama means, deservedly, that you lose a bit of your 'specialness'.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Brett is like a husband or wife that cheats. Yes, you can get past it, yes you can stay married, yes you can still love that person...but, ultimately, the love and relationship you have after the affair is never the same.

Oh Ty, I'll always take you back even after all your weeks away on those drug "binges". I love you man!

I know you would.

But, i dont' think you could stand to be second fiddle to Soup!!!!!!!!!

Damn that Soup! Damn him all to hell!!!

I just can't quit him!!

[GrnBay007]

Choosing to not put in the time required to work and study with the team,and holding your team's plans hostage every year with the retirement drama means, deservedly, that you lose a bit of your 'specialness'.

OK, I respect your thoughts and feelings on the subject. ...your thoughts, not facts, btw.

Now, just wondering what benefit you get from the potshots directed toward BF?

[Joemailman]

I'm not sure I'd go that far about either side. People are mostly just ornery and pissed off about it. A lot of this is venting.

That's the part I don't understand Scott. If people are happy he's gone, happy not to go through the "will he play, won't he play" stuff, then why are they pissed of if he plays for another team? Those people believe he's no good anymore at QB so why be pissed he's playing for another team? Maybe the pissed off part has a bit to do with some fear that he might just have "it" left in the old tank ......and maybe deep down some wish he would have played for the Packers ONE more year. But admitting that would be doubting TT and company......and we know that's forbidden here.

Doubting TT is forbidden here? That will surely come as news to some people. Look, the people who make the worst comments about Favre are antagonizing and looking for a reaction. I don't understand why you keep giving it to them. If you want the sharks to go away, stop feeding them.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Brett is telling us that our relationship is not that special, that isn't worth much to him..or that he feels he can get by.

Sorry. But another way to look at it.....

was TT and company that told "us" that Brett's relationship with the packers was not that special.

Choosing to not put in the time required to work and study with the team,and holding your team's plans hostage every year with the retirement drama means, deservedly, that you lose a bit of your 'specialness'.

See, i disagree...or at least in the context of legacy and special bond with the fans. Just as we forget the early partying days, so would we forget these days.

What wont' be forgotten/forgiven...is playing against the pack. Especially since he is a QB..the leader of the offense..not just some random offensive or defensive player.

[GrnBay007]

Doubting TT is forbidden here? That will surely come as news to some people.

Well, it's not forbidden maybe but if you doubt him you get jumped. I think you know that. Maybe not by all, but many. And I don't even care about TT. He's part of the Packer organization and I hope he does well.

Look, the people who make the worst comments about Favre are antagonizing and looking for a reaction. I don't understand why you keep giving it to them. If you want the sharks to go away, stop feeding them.

That's why I suggested having just one simple little thread that could be free from the sharks. Not that big of a deal really. And after tonight, I understand that they can't help themselves and actually feel kinda sorry for them.

[Joemailman]

I think Favre can possibly be forgiven if he plays against the Pack. It depends on his reasons. If he says he's doing it because he wants another shot at a Super Bowl, many will understand. If he mentions again about wanting to play so he can stick it to Ted Thompson, that's much more problematic.

[Chevelle2]

Choosing to not put in the time required to work and study with the team,and holding your team's plans hostage every year with the retirement drama means, deservedly, that you lose a bit of your 'specialness'.

OK, I respect your thoughts and feelings on the subject. ...your thoughts, not facts, btw.

Now, just wondering what benefit you get from the potshots directed toward BF?

Potshots, or facts?

[The Shadow]

Choosing to not put in the time required to work and study with the team,and holding your team's plans hostage every year with the retirement drama means, deservedly, that you lose a bit of your 'specialness'.

OK, I respect your thoughts and feelings on the subject. ...your thoughts, not facts, btw.

Now, just wondering what benefit you get from the potshots directed toward BF?

Sorry, I really don't see them as 'potshots'. Been a Packer fan for a long, long time. I read the posts that hold Brett up as something larger than life and like to put in my own two cents. Favre was a very good player; gave me many of the same thrills he has given to all Pack fans.
That part is all good.
On the other hand, I am also disappointed in him for 2 reasons :
1. He refused to evolve into the player all that talent ahould have made the best of all time. In my opinion, he will go out basically the way he came in - a very tough, rocket-armed, competive qb - but having never outgrown a rookie's understanding of the game. I think it's a shame that he did not bring more championships to Green Bay.
2. The selfish behavior of the last few years, from the reluctance to be upfront with the team, to the unwarranted speaking out regarding other Packers' contract situations, and the churlish attitude towards the drafting of Aaron Rodgers.

So : when I read the gushing posts that elevate him to some mythical status - and after having lived through the Glory Years and seen a bit of the mythical- I am compelled to try to bring things back into a bit more balanced perspective.

I realize that we are all entitled to our opinions; I certainly respect yours, and hope that you can respect mine.

[Chevelle2]

Why is ESPN still reporting this deadline thing? How can they make stuff up like they do?

[GrnBay007]

So : when I read the gushing posts that elevate him to some mythical status - and after having lived through the Glory Years and seen a bit of the mythical- I am compelled to try to bring things back into a bit more balanced perspective.

I realize that we are all entitled to our opinions; I certainly respect yours, and hope that you can respect mine.

I already said I respect your thoughts and feelings on the subject....although I don't agree.

This whole discussion did not start due to some "gushing" posts. It started when I simply asked for 1 thread where the story could be followed without all the potshots and wishing injury, etc.

LOL it's comical that that one simple thing can't happen on this forum. So I know some here dislike when the term "haters" is used, but really, is there any other way to describe it?

[pbmax]

pbmax,
I wasn't trying to start something with my thoughts/request. Whether you believe it or not there are still some people interested in following the Favre story. Heck, the Green Bay Gazette has posted a lot of information. When I say following the story, I mean exactly that. The Vikings are apparently interested and he seems interested in playing for the Vikings. Why can't this be followed and discussed at a mature level without all the immaturity, bashing and wishing injury upon him? There are a few Viking fans on the board that have been excellent contributors to PackerRats for years.

Why do people find it so hard to believe that some enjoy following a specific player's career? It's really pretty creepy to read what some write here about Favre. And no, I didn't think it was out of line or above the level of maturity of this forum to allow 1 single thread to follow information, updates on Favre without all the childish comments and bashing.

It's sad, IMO

I find nothing to object to in this post. I have never thought of the Packer Room at Packer Rats to be exclusive of other players, teams or retired coaches/players. Favre coverage, in and of itself, is not a problem at all.

The only thing I object to are posts from either side of this issue that are all heat and no light. When I see a post that contains a dig at "lovers", I know we are going to get two more from "lovers" complaining about "haters". And yes, some of that content gets weird, creepy and plain dumb. And it will last at least a half page, then the worst, most blunt offenders will take their shots and everyone starts blaming each other for the mess.

If people have a post on Favre or any other player, make it, state your case, defend it, refuse to mention other posters and refuse to speak for them. I will defend anyone's right to make such a post, not just those I agree with.