McCarthy ranked 16th

[pbmax]

I think he is better than #16...but not by a longshot. I'd stick him around #12...but I would also include the coaches who don't have a coaching job at the moment, such as Cowher and Dungy.

Coaches who I think are DEFINITELY better than McCarthy:

Beli
Cowher
Dungy
Coughlin
Reid
Fisher

Coaches who I think are PROBABLY better:

Tomlin
Lovie
Mike Smith
Harbaugh
Gruden

Don't buy Lovie, Tomlin, Smith or Harbaugh. Too soon for the last two, Lovie has maintained a D and stagnated on O. Tomlin inherited a Super Bowl quality team. Hard to say if maintaining it qualifies. Possibly. Actually, yes, winning the SB has to put you near the top. So I would cross three off Leaper's list here. I am not too fond of Gruden either. But the SB is a tough argument to crack.

[sheepshead]

Since when?

Since always? What are you implying here?

I agree with sheepshead. My impression was that TT was average in your eyes and a complete idiot for getting rid of Favre.

One move doesn't make a GM. I don't like the move. It worked out ok. It was bound to happen eventually, via Brett leaving or whatever. For what its worth, I don't think they're treating Tauscher much better this year. At least offer the guy a camp contract and let him use Packer facilities to rehab and to be with his teammates. He's a leader and a veteran, and according to LeRoy Butler and Gary Ellerson he's the offensive linemen vocal leader.

My opinion of TT is that if he doesn't improve his drafting (prior to this year), he needs to address some positions via FA. I really like this years draft outside of Raji. Would have preferred Crabtree as I believe he was BPA, but I'm still hopeful that Raji becomes a hoss.

I'm not super hot or super cold on him, and I think his team has a long way to go from being great, but he has shown that he understands the core principals of building a team imo.

Ok here's my point before I got rudely slammed to the pavement. You have been critical of TT at every turn(as many have). On the second or third post on this thread you are gushing over MM like a little school girl. My point is; we lost 7 games by an average of 3 points that's the difference between sitting home and a first round bye. While we can imagine all kinds of moves TT should have made or shouldn't have made to pick up 4 points in those games, I instead put that squarely on the coaching staff. As a "guy" , I like MM. So far I have seen more blown opportunities then achievements from MM and his staff. I think he is more on a hot seat than many of us realize.

[retailguy]

So, instead of "baiting" partial, why didn't you just give your opinion?

Now, I'm not interested. Before you became a jerk, yet again, I'd have thought, good point....

[sheepshead]

So, instead of "baiting" partial, why didn't you just give your opinion?

Now, I'm not interested. Before you became a jerk, yet again, I'd have thought, good point....

See Jeffro, (he sent me a nice email) this is the kind of gestapo bullshit I'm talking about.

[cpk1994]

Since when?

Since always? What are you implying here?

I agree with sheepshead. My impression was that TT was average in your eyes and a complete idiot for getting rid of Favre.

One move doesn't make a GM. I don't like the move. It worked out ok. It was bound to happen eventually, via Brett leaving or whatever. For what its worth, I don't think they're treating Tauscher much better this year. At least offer the guy a camp contract and let him use Packer facilities to rehab and to be with his teammates. He's a leader and a veteran, and according to LeRoy Butler and Gary Ellerson he's the offensive linemen vocal leader.

My opinion of TT is that if he doesn't improve his drafting (prior to this year), he needs to address some positions via FA. I really like this years draft outside of Raji. Would have preferred Crabtree as I believe he was BPA, but I'm still hopeful that Raji becomes a hoss.

I'm not super hot or super cold on him, and I think his team has a long way to go from being great, but he has shown that he understands the core principals of building a team imo.

I'm ok with how they are treating Tauscher. 1 of 3 things will happen with Tauscher:

1. He recovers from his injury and signs with the Packers.
2. He recovers from his injury and signs with another team.
3. he can't recover and announces his retirement.

I think any of those scenarios would be better than signing Tauscher to a minimum contract and then cutting him if he can't make it. I think the Packers would rather avoid that.

I agree. No GM in their right mind would sign an injured veteran player, especially one who isn't 100% sure of a recovery.

[retailguy]

So, instead of "baiting" partial, why didn't you just give your opinion?

Now, I'm not interested. Before you became a jerk, yet again, I'd have thought, good point....

See Jeffro, (he sent me a nice email) this is the kind of gestapo bullshit I'm talking about.

What I see, is a pot screaming about the differences in the look of the new kettle.

[Oscar]

I most certainly don't want to be in the middle of any of this. I thought I'd offer a no hard feelings gesture. Had I taken a few seconds to think and re worded my first post things may have turned out different.

[sheepshead]

Naww youre fine. Asswipes will be asswipes - part of the deal

[Zool]

Naww youre fine. Asswipes will be asswipes - part of the deal

Admitting you have a problem is the first step in recovery.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Well since none of you seem able to get along on this thread, and you have gone so far off topic I'll try to stir the pot here.

Chilly: 24 and 24, MM: 27 and 21

Childress's ranking is higher on this list because of the Favre factor. MM and Chilly are only 3 games apart in total record. MM won 21 of his 27 victories with a hall of fame QB at the helm and followed that up with 6 wins out of 16 with an "average" QB. (I like Rodgers but he's not Favre yet.)

Chilly has won all of his 24 with either a re-tread or highly inexperienced QB. He's had AD for 18 of his wins but only used him as a starter in his last year and a half.

Chilly has steadily improved (6-10, 8-8, 10-6) implying he is improving the team and his coaching as he acquires more players that fit his system, and the players that were there before him have picked up the system.

MM has waivered in his record (8-8, 13-3, 6-10) leading one to wonder if his strength was based on talent or coaching. Going from 13-3 to 6-10 has to hurt MM's ranking.

[Ballboy]

Well since none of you seem able to get along on this thread, and you have gone so far off topic I'll try to stir the pot here.

Chilly: 24 and 24, MM: 27 and 21

Childress's ranking is higher on this list because of the Favre factor. MM and Chilly are only 3 games apart in total record. MM won 21 of his 27 victories with a hall of fame QB at the helm and followed that up with 6 wins out of 16 with an "average" QB. (I like Rodgers but he's not Favre yet.)

Chilly has won all of his 24 with either a re-tread or highly inexperienced QB. He's had AD for 18 of his wins but only used him as a starter in his last year and a half.

Chilly has steadily improved (6-10, 8-8, 10-6) implying he is improving the team and his coaching as he acquires more players that fit his system, and the players that were there before him have picked up the system.

MM has waivered in his record (8-8, 13-3, 6-10) leading one to wonder if his strength was based on talent or coaching. Going from 13-3 to 6-10 has to hurt MM's ranking.

Any how many playoff wins?

What about his players on defense?

As you pointed out, he started using AD in the last year and a half which got Chilly 14 of his 24 wins, I think AD has much to do with it.

[Pacopete4]

Well since none of you seem able to get along on this thread, and you have gone so far off topic I'll try to stir the pot here.

Chilly: 24 and 24, MM: 27 and 21

Childress's ranking is higher on this list because of the Favre factor. MM and Chilly are only 3 games apart in total record. MM won 21 of his 27 victories with a hall of fame QB at the helm and followed that up with 6 wins out of 16 with an "average" QB. (I like Rodgers but he's not Favre yet.)

Chilly has won all of his 24 with either a re-tread or highly inexperienced QB. He's had AD for 18 of his wins but only used him as a starter in his last year and a half.

Chilly has steadily improved (6-10, 8-8, 10-6) implying he is improving the team and his coaching as he acquires more players that fit his system, and the players that were there before him have picked up the system.

MM has waivered in his record (8-8, 13-3, 6-10) leading one to wonder if his strength was based on talent or coaching. Going from 13-3 to 6-10 has to hurt MM's ranking.

Even though I think Chilly is a dumby, and I like MM as far as offense goes.. you make really good points to why Chilly is higher rated. I mean lets face it, MM really hasnt gotten the job done as well as we'd like to have it. 4 and 6 win seasons? thats brutal. Ya that 13 win season was amazing to go thru but good coaches win year in year out... So far, Chilly hasnt had horrible seasons like MM so I guess the ranking is kinda deserved.

[retailguy]

MM has waivered in his record (8-8, 13-3, 6-10) leading one to wonder if his strength was based on talent or coaching. Going from 13-3 to 6-10 has to hurt MM's ranking.

Kind of brings the old thought of "what have you done for me lately" into perspective.

I agree, last season hurt McCarthy's "wonderboy" status. As it should have. Both he and Sean Payton were talked about as "real finds" after their seasons in 2007. Neither still enjoys the same status. They've been replaced by Mike Smith and John Harbaugh as the golden boys of the moment.

[ThunderDan]

I mean lets face it, MM really hasnt gotten the job done as well as we'd like to have it. 4 and 6 win seasons? thats brutal. Ya that 13 win season was amazing to go thru but good coaches win year in year out... So far, Chilly hasnt had horrible seasons like MM so I guess the ranking is kinda deserved.

I sure don't remember MM coaching a 4-12 team. That would be Sherman; the head football coach of Texas A&M.

[Pacopete4]

I mean lets face it, MM really hasnt gotten the job done as well as we'd like to have it. 4 and 6 win seasons? thats brutal. Ya that 13 win season was amazing to go thru but good coaches win year in year out... So far, Chilly hasnt had horrible seasons like MM so I guess the ranking is kinda deserved.

I sure don't remember MM coaching a 4-12 team. That would be Sherman; the head football coach of Texas A&M.

I'm sorry.. I mean 6 and 8 win seasons.. not 4 and 6, my bad