Favre: the man, the legend. Are we having fun yet?

[MJZiggy]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Why don't you make up more statistics to support your point?!?

GB Packers 88-91 under Infante were 24-40. But don't let facts stop your rant.

Look at it this way, TD, As a GM, you don't look at what happened 10 years ago (Favre singlehandedly bringing the franchise back without any help from his line, receivers, kickass special teams--who was the SB MVP again?--or amazing defense), you look to what is going to make your team stronger for the NEXT 10 years. And I would ask, if the GM is responsible for the 10 game backslide, he's also responsible for the record you backslid FROM. Ted Thompson got his team to one interception from the SuperBowl. He was named Exec of the Year and is most certainly not on the hot seat now. I suggest you get used to his presence because even if you whine yourself blue in the face (which may have already happened for all I know), he will still be there.

Huh...what did I do to you???

Cornbaby said TT was the worst GM in the last 20 years. Yet from 88-91 we had a worse record so TT isn't the worst GM recordwise.

I would also add that if you look at the level of the talent at the bottom of our roster today it is much better than four years ago. Other NFL teams are raiding our practice squad and signing GB cuts after training camp.

Sorry TD, I was trying to further your argument, not argue against it. Probably should have cut your post out and responded directly to the nuttiness that preceded it.

[pbmax]

Not sure how reliable this is...

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/48006597.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

Yes, this is it: If Favre is willing to sign a contract with an option that will determine his pay based on how he performs and how much he plays, the Wilf family will go all out to add Favre to the team.

Florio at PFT makes a good point that the market for Favre might have been set by Matt Cassell $14 million and change for one year and McNabb, two years left $12 million and change.

Incentives, weekly roster bonuses or not, its going to be expensive.

[Gunakor]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

clifton to favre = apples to frickn oranges

yes favre DID deserve special treatment like MANY superstars before and after..they EARN it by frickn PRODUCING...there's a thousand cliftons to every 10 lord favres like there's a thousand TTs to every 1 "my brett" LOL

not rocket science....

So Favre earned his right to be placed above the team?

Fuck him. Nobody deserves any more special treatement than the guy who occupies the locker next to his. In football, NOBODY can do their job effectively unless their teammates are doing the same. Part of the reason Favre's career looks so fucking phenomenal is because his teammates were very good at what they did as well. Or do you honestly believe that Favre did everything himself for 16 years?

Thank you for answering my question honestly though.

[Gunakor]

Ted Thompson did nothing wrong? Come on now, don't fool yourself. Thompson wanted his man that he drafted to be the starting QB and the minute that Favre said he was "retired" there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell of Thompson letting him comeback. What Thompson and the organization as a whole did wrong in this situation is trying to tell Favre that while they didn't want him playing in Green Bay anymore, they didn't want him playing anywhere else either. That's just a ridiculously absurd thing to try to do. Saying Favre is sticking it to the organization that made him is just ridiculous as well. Let's look at where the Packers were before Favre came. Favre not only revived this organization, it's because of his star power and broad appeal that the Packers have routinely been in the top 5 revenue producing teams in the NFL. It's also the reason why they got to be on Monday Night Football 3 times a year. Without Favre, Reggie White would have never come to Green Bay. Favre's tenure brought the best winning % in the NFL over his 16 season here, for fans to turn on the man just because he wants to continue playing is just plain stupid.

They didn't tell him they didn't want him playing anywhere. Please provide a source that says they told him that. I'd love to read it. What they said was that they didn't want him playing in Minnesota.

Favre didn't restore the Packers. The Packers restoration to greatness started in 1989 with Don Majkowski and Sterling Sharpe. Do a little research. Then, RON WOLF came and completed the puzzle. He brought in guys like Sean Jones, Reggie White, Keith Jackson, and yes, Brett Favre. Favre wasn't the one who put that puzzle together. The restoration of the franchise to greatness does not get credited to Favre alone. Not by a long shot. He had his role, and performed well in it, but he was not the architect that built a contender. Christ, you as well make it sound like Brett did everything by himself for 16 years.

Fans did not turn on him just because he wants to keep playing. Fans turned on him after Greta. Fans turned on him after Peter King. Fans continue to turn on him because he wants to play for the Vikings. You obviously have little idea why people are upset if you think it's simply that he wants to keep playing. I and many others have been very clear about that over the last couple of weeks and months. There's a good place to start to better your understanding of WHY we feel the way we do.

[falco]

I hate Michael Irvin, but he makes a lot of sense on this one:

“I love Favre and I think he’s been a phenomenal talent for a long time,” Irvin said. “But when I think about it now, I say, ‘Stop it already.’ I don’t mind that you still want to play football, but do you want to play so much, and you want to get back at [Green Bay General Manager] Ted Thompson so much, that you’re willing to go back into Lambeau and hurt those fans that supported you for so long?”

Sums up exactly how I feel. I couldn't care less if Favre wanted to play somewhere else, I would even cheer for him to win a superbowl. But the way he handled his business last summer and the fact now that he is out to get revenge on the Packers, he can get bent.

And for those who want to say that Favre isn't motivated by revenge, you're delirious, he's said as much himself already.

[Pacopete4]

Ted Thompson did nothing wrong? Come on now, don't fool yourself. Thompson wanted his man that he drafted to be the starting QB and the minute that Favre said he was "retired" there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell of Thompson letting him comeback. What Thompson and the organization as a whole did wrong in this situation is trying to tell Favre that while they didn't want him playing in Green Bay anymore, they didn't want him playing anywhere else either. That's just a ridiculously absurd thing to try to do. Saying Favre is sticking it to the organization that made him is just ridiculous as well. Let's look at where the Packers were before Favre came. Favre not only revived this organization, it's because of his star power and broad appeal that the Packers have routinely been in the top 5 revenue producing teams in the NFL. It's also the reason why they got to be on Monday Night Football 3 times a year. Without Favre, Reggie White would have never come to Green Bay. Favre's tenure brought the best winning % in the NFL over his 16 season here, for fans to turn on the man just because he wants to continue playing is just plain stupid.

They didn't tell him they didn't want him playing anywhere. Please provide a source that says they told him that. I'd love to read it. What they said was that they didn't want him playing in Minnesota.

Favre didn't restore the Packers. The Packers restoration to greatness started in 1989 with Don Majkowski and Sterling Sharpe. Do a little research. Then, RON WOLF came and completed the puzzle. He brought in guys like Sean Jones, Reggie White, Keith Jackson, and yes, Brett Favre. Favre wasn't the one who put that puzzle together. The restoration of the franchise to greatness does not get credited to Favre alone. Not by a long shot. He had his role, and performed well in it, but he was not the architect that built a contender. Christ, you as well make it sound like Brett did everything by himself for 16 years.

Fans did not turn on him just because he wants to keep playing. Fans turned on him after Greta. Fans turned on him after Peter King. Fans continue to turn on him because he wants to play for the Vikings. You obviously have little idea why people are upset if you think it's simply that he wants to keep playing. I and many others have been very clear about that over the last couple of weeks and months. There's a good place to start to better your understanding of WHY we feel the way we do.

my god you're a homo... its a football GAME, he is just going to be another player on a different team... all you do here is talk about how Brett Favre is hurting your feelings.. such a fuckin women

[Scott Campbell]

my god you're a homo... its a football GAME, he is just going to be another player on a different team... all you do here is talk about how Brett Favre is hurting your feelings.. such a fuckin women

Women? As in plural? And a homo? So are you saying he's lesbians?

[MJZiggy]

Settle down Bretsky.

And Paco, how can you not realize that the Vikings are not just another team. While it's a football GAME, it's also a billion dollar a year BUSINESS and, in Green Bay, a large part of that town's IDENTITY. No other place in the league has fans like that and with the amount of energy that town puts into the team, they have cause to be offended. What other team in the league sells out a scrimmage game. What other team has anyone even ATTEND a scrimmage game. I'm tired of your line of BS. Maybe your view is how things are in New York or San Francisco, but NOT how they are in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

[Pacopete4]

Settle down Bretsky.

And Paco, how can you not realize that the Vikings are not just another team. While it's a football GAME, it's also a billion dollar a year BUSINESS and, in Green Bay, a large part of that town's IDENTITY. No other place in the league has fans like that and with the amount of energy that town puts into the team, they have cause to be offended. What other team in the league sells out a scrimmage game. What other team has anyone even ATTEND a scrimmage game. I'm tired of your line of BS. Maybe your view is how things are in New York or San Francisco, but NOT how they are in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

[Partial]

I bet a lot of teams sell out scrimmage games. I also think the crowds at the games are kinda lame in GB to be honest. Too quiet. They are definitely a huge part of the local economy and culture of Wisconsin, though.

[MJZiggy]

P, they TELEVISE our scrimmage games nationally. Do you turn the sound off or something? The announcers spend the whole game astounded at the turnout for a SCRIMMAGE game, "it's just like a practice and here the fans are!" "Right, but the fans show up at all the practices that are open.

I live within spitting distance of TWO NFL franchises (one with a rather rabid fan base) and I can tell you that this kind of fan participation is not seen here. There are just too many other options for people what with all the baseball teams, basketball, soccer, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

[Partial]

P, they TELEVISE our scrimmage games nationally. Do you turn the sound off or something? The announcers spend the whole game astounded at the turnout for a SCRIMMAGE game, "it's just like a practice and here the fans are!" "Right, but the fans show up at all the practices that are open.

I live within spitting distance of TWO NFL franchises (one with a rather rabid fan base) and I can tell you that this kind of fan participation is not seen here. There are just too many other options for people what with all the baseball teams, basketball, soccer, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

They don't televise them nationally. The televise family night locally. It's an entire family fest weekend. It's a lot more than just a scrimmage.

I personally prefer the atmosphere and dedication of fans to the college game. I enjoy Badger games more than a Packer game, for example.

[Chevelle2]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2009/06/brett_favre_to_guest_on_joe_bu.html

HBO announced Brett Favre has joined the roster of guests for the debut episode of "Joe Buck Live" Monday night.

[Pacopete4]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2009/06/brett_favre_to_guest_on_joe_bu.html

HBO announced Brett Favre has joined the roster of guests for the debut episode of "Joe Buck Live" Monday night.

this may be interesting... haha

[falco]

It seems to me that there are a number of posters here who just attempt to be contradictory, rather than ever express a legitimate opinion.