Favre: the man, the legend. Are we having fun yet?

[DonHutson]

This is loads of fun. It's happening to the Vikings.

And if he actually gets around to playing for the Vikings, those games are going to be tons of fun.

[Joemailman]

How many more teams would He need to retire from to set a new NFL record?

It wouldn't hurt to hold another record, you know.

Favre trying to break Vinny Testaverde's records? The tory gets curiouser and curiouser.

[DonHutson]

Favre trying to break Vinny Testaverde's records? The tory gets curiouser and curiouser.

Has Vinny ever retired? I thought he was just chronically unemployed.

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.

There is one gigantic hole in your synopsis. Favre didn't ask for reinstatement util almost August. IF Brett had signed his reinstatement papers in June when he supposedly first wanted to comeback, the PAckers would have been forced to do something then. You forget the Packers did n't have to do anything becuase Brett didn't sign the reinstatement papers make him STILL RETIRED. The Packers had no move to make until Brett actually came out of retirement. The Packers didn't drag it out. Brett did.

he never filed any retirement papers. He was put on the PUP/retired list by the Packers. So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

[Gunakor]

he never filed any retirement papers. He was put on the PUP/retired list by the Packers. So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

Then what was the big hoopla about last summer concerning his filing his reinstatement papers? Ted traded him just DAYS after those papers were filed. After he was put on the inactive/retired list, the only way for him to get reinstated was to file his reinstatement papers, and there was absolutely no good reason to trade him before those papers were filed - had Teddy done so, Favre could have just chosen to stay retired and the trade would be voided, meaning the Packers would get nothing out of the deal in return. Once he was officially reinstated by the league office, he was traded almost immediately. It stands to reason that if Favre had filed for reinstatement in June, he'd have been traded in June.

Who's fault was it again that Favre wasn't traded until the second week of preseason?

[Deputy Nutz]

he never filed any retirement papers. He was put on the PUP/retired list by the Packers. So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

Then what was the big hoopla about last summer concerning his filing his reinstatement papers? Ted traded him just DAYS after those papers were filed. After he was put on the inactive/retired list, the only way for him to get reinstated was to file his reinstatement papers, and there was absolutely no good reason to trade him before those papers were filed - had Teddy done so, Favre could have just chosen to stay retired and the trade would be voided, meaning the Packers would get nothing out of the deal in return. Once he was officially reinstated by the league office, he was traded almost immediately. It stands to reason that if Favre had filed for reinstatement in June, he'd have been traded in June.

Who's fault was it again that Favre wasn't traded until the second week of preseason?

I guess we are saying the same thing then. Unless you just read the first sentence I wrote and decided at that moment you just had to post without reading further. I think Favre had to hold on to his reinstatement papers then so he wouldn't get traded to a team he didn't want to play for. I think you could understand that, right? Or are you just to filled with piss and vinegar? He also wanted to play for the Packers, when they said no he admitted he wanted to play for two teams in the division out of spite. Thompson according to Favre said, "we can't use you here, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else."

Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

I could argue that Favre wanted to give the Packers time to get this mess settled, but I don't think you would buy it, and I really don't either. I do believe that after Thompson and McCarthy told him they didn't want him anymore he wasn't trying to play for Green Bay anymore. He was just to valuable to lose though to Minnesota, not good enough for the Packers but too good for the Vikings.

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him. he is still bigger new than the actual Packers. I want him to keep playing ball as long as there is a team out there that wants him, I will be watching regardless how big of train wreck it is.

[Scott Campbell]

So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

I think it goes back earlier than June. I suspect he had been plotting to gain his unconditional release for some time. I don't think he ever had any intention of coming back to play for the Packers.

[Scott Campbell]

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.

Ted's plan worked. We got a 3rd round pick out of the deal, and Brett's a year older and coming off surgery and a very poor stretch run.

[Deputy Nutz]

So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

I think it goes back earlier than June. I suspect he had been plotting to gain his unconditional release for some time. I don't think he ever had any intention of coming back to play for the Packers.

That is your opinion, I don't think that was the case up until the end of June, or right before the Greta "fine peice of ass" interview.

Like I said your opinion and I value that like Little Whiskey values roadkill.

[Deputy Nutz]

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.

Ted's plan worked. We got a 3rd round pick out of the deal, and Brett's a year older and coming off surgery and a very poor stretch run.

I agree, Ted did a nice job with the trade, he got good value for a player he wasn't going to use.

[Gunakor]

I guess we are saying the same thing then. Unless you just read the first sentence I wrote and decided at that moment you just had to post without reading further. I think Favre had to hold on to his reinstatement papers then so he wouldn't get traded to a team he didn't want to play for. I think you could understand that, right? Or are you just to filled with piss and vinegar? He also wanted to play for the Packers, when they said no he admitted he wanted to play for two teams in the division out of spite. Thompson according to Favre said, "we can't use you here, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else."

Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

I could argue that Favre wanted to give the Packers time to get this mess settled, but I don't think you would buy it, and I really don't either. I do believe that after Thompson and McCarthy told him they didn't want him anymore he wasn't trying to play for Green Bay anymore. He was just to valuable to lose though to Minnesota, not good enough for the Packers but too good for the Vikings.

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him. he is still bigger new than the actual Packers. I want him to keep playing ball as long as there is a team out there that wants him, I will be watching regardless how big of train wreck it is.

Nutz, one of your complaints against TT was that he waited until the second week of preseason to do the trade with the Jets. You said so in an earlier post.

They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer.

WHO decided to draw it out for the entire summer? Again, it was DAYS after Favre filed his papers that he was traded. Just days. Had FAVRE not waited until camp to file his papers, he'd have been traded before camp even started. This one is on Favre. Just Favre. Only Favre. Nobody else except Brett Favre. Brett L. Favre is the one who dragged this one out for the entire summer. That's my point.

Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

Mark Murphy went to Hattiesburg to make an offer to Favre for post retirement. Had Murphy stipulated that the offer was only good if he refused to play for anyone else I might agree that it was a buy off. But the offer is still good after he played for the Jets, and it's still good if he plays for the Vikings. This offer wasn't about wins and losses or saving face or any of that nonsense. It was and is about dollars and cents. Maybe the Packers organization realizes that, regardless of where Brett ends up this year or next year or the year after that, there's TONS of money to be made in Favre merchandise in the future. Yet you still think that offer was all about Brett staying retired? This wasn't about holding up Favre's decision or dragging out the circus even further, it was and remains to be about making money. Think about it from a business sense and you'd do the same thing if millions of dollars were on the table.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him.

Agreed. You know what's funny though, is that we don't own the guy's rights anymore, and HE can't get over the Packers either. Nothing would please me more than if he'd either a) stay retired, or b) go play for the Redskins or something - because then Packer Nation wouldn't care half as much, and it would show that Favre doesn't care half as much either. I guess my question is why Packer Nation should just bite our tounges and not speak on it while Favre continues his persistent quest for revenge? Favre hasn't exactly gotten over the Packers any more than Packer Nation has gotten over Favre. Why is it that Favre can say or do whatever he wants but we Packer fans are not allowed to have a vocal opinion? Why is he automatically right or justified in his words and actions, but we Packer fans are out of line in ours? What makes Lord Favre better than Joe Packer Fan? And why does Packer Nation have to get over Favre before Favre gets over the Packers?

[cpk1994]

he never filed any retirement papers. He was put on the PUP/retired list by the Packers. So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

The retirement papers are irrelevant becuase they only give you your post career benfits. He retired. He had to apply for reinstatement with Goodell. As long as Brett wasn't doing that, the Packers didn't have to do a damn thing but leave him on the retired list. As far as the Packers were concerned Brett weas still retired. Brett had to ask for reinstatement for the Packers be forced to do something, which is why Bus Cook is an idiot. He should have been on Brett to ask for reinstatment in June to utlimately force the Packers to do something right away. Then if the PAckers waited until late in the preseason, the Packers would look bad. By waiting the way he did insured he wouldn't be moved until late in the preseason.

[Chevelle2]

So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

I think it goes back earlier than June. I suspect he had been plotting to gain his unconditional release for some time. I don't think he ever had any intention of coming back to play for the Packers.

What do you mean by this? So you think his tearful retirement was fake?

[gex]

I guess we are saying the same thing then. Unless you just read the first sentence I wrote and decided at that moment you just had to post without reading further. I think Favre had to hold on to his reinstatement papers then so he wouldn't get traded to a team he didn't want to play for. I think you could understand that, right? Or are you just to filled with piss and vinegar? He also wanted to play for the Packers, when they said no he admitted he wanted to play for two teams in the division out of spite. Thompson according to Favre said, "we can't use you here, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else."

Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

I could argue that Favre wanted to give the Packers time to get this mess settled, but I don't think you would buy it, and I really don't either. I do believe that after Thompson and McCarthy told him they didn't want him anymore he wasn't trying to play for Green Bay anymore. He was just to valuable to lose though to Minnesota, not good enough for the Packers but too good for the Vikings.

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him. he is still bigger new than the actual Packers. I want him to keep playing ball as long as there is a team out there that wants him, I will be watching regardless how big of train wreck it is.

Nutz, one of your complaints against TT was that he waited until the second week of preseason to do the trade with the Jets. You said so in an earlier post.

They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer.

WHO decided to draw it out for the entire summer? Again, it was DAYS after Favre filed his papers that he was traded. Just days. Had FAVRE not waited until camp to file his papers, he'd have been traded before camp even started. This one is on Favre. Just Favre. Only Favre. Nobody else except Brett Favre. Brett L. Favre is the one who dragged this one out for the entire summer. That's my point.

Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

Mark Murphy went to Hattiesburg to make an offer to Favre for post retirement. Had Murphy stipulated that the offer was only good if he refused to play for anyone else I might agree that it was a buy off. But the offer is still good after he played for the Jets, and it's still good if he plays for the Vikings. This offer wasn't about wins and losses or saving face or any of that nonsense. It was and is about dollars and cents. Maybe the Packers organization realizes that, regardless of where Brett ends up this year or next year or the year after that, there's TONS of money to be made in Favre merchandise in the future. Yet you still think that offer was all about Brett staying retired? This wasn't about holding up Favre's decision or dragging out the circus even further, it was and remains to be about making money. Think about it from a business sense and you'd do the same thing if millions of dollars were on the table.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him.

Agreed. You know what's funny though, is that we don't own the guy's rights anymore, and HE can't get over the Packers either. Nothing would please me more than if he'd either a) stay retired, or b) go play for the Redskins or something - because then Packer Nation wouldn't care half as much, and it would show that Favre doesn't care half as much either. I guess my question is why Packer Nation should just bite our tounges and not speak on it while Favre continues his persistent quest for revenge? Favre hasn't exactly gotten over the Packers any more than Packer Nation has gotten over Favre. Why is it that Favre can say or do whatever he wants but we Packer fans are not allowed to have a vocal opinion? Why is he automatically right or justified in his words and actions, but we Packer fans are out of line in ours? What makes Lord Favre better than Joe Packer Fan? And why does Packer Nation have to get over Favre before Favre gets over the Packers?

Thats your opinion Gun, I and many others agree with Nutz.

[pbmax]

Can't you guys just go back and read the 204 threads that covered this in real time?