Favre: the man, the legend. Are we having fun yet?

[RashanGary]

Thats your opinion Gun, I and many others agree with Nutz.

If many is about 10 on this site, then yeah, many agree. The rest are much closer to Gunakor's opinion. I don't think Nutz convinced one person, just padded the asses of the few Favre groupies.

[Fritz]

JH, are you on some weird butt kick lately?

[Scott Campbell]

So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

I think it goes back earlier than June. I suspect he had been plotting to gain his unconditional release for some time. I don't think he ever had any intention of coming back to play for the Packers.

What do you mean by this? So you think his tearful retirement was fake?

I think the tears were real enough, though perhaps they were of the crocodile variety. But then most of what he said in that presser got thrown right out the window. With Brett these days you are better off disregarding what he says, and just watching what he does.

Do I think he tanked the final 5 games of the year for the Jets just to get his unconditional release? No, I don't. But it wouldn't shock me anymore.

I wonder how many people still think he called Matt Millen during game week just to talk about "hunting".

It's funny how everything just happened to fall in place perfectly so that he could do exactly what he wanted to do all along. Coincidence? Perhaps. The whole thing smells fishy to me.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the tears were real enough, though perhaps they were of the crocodile variety.

God, you're mean, Mr. Campbell. Awful mean.

[Scott Campbell]

I think the tears were real enough, though perhaps they were of the crocodile variety.

God, you're mean, Mr. Campbell. Awful mean.

I don't say it to be nice, mean or anything else. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

[Deputy Nutz]

Thats your opinion Gun, I and many others agree with Nutz.

If many is about 10 on this site, then yeah, many agree. The rest are much closer to Gunakor's opinion. I don't think Nutz convinced one person, just padded the asses of the few Favre groupies.

Thats the problem with you, you see things from a very narrow prospective, you can't see both sides of the street. You flame everything only to try and strengthen your convictions.

[Scott Campbell]

I think both sides of the argument are plainly obvious to everyone. It's just a matter of who you believe - or don't believe.

[Gunakor]

Thats your opinion Gun, I and many others agree with Nutz.

Might I ask what part of my post you consider an opinion? The part about Favre dragging on the circus all summer and not giving Thompson any good reason to trade him until after his reinstatement in August? Or the part about Murphy flying down to Mississippi to offer the marketing deal to Favre that would net the Packers well over the 20 million dollars paid to Favre over the next 10 years?

Facts can prove or disprove either of my statements. So they aren't opinions at all. They are facts, and either they are true or they aren't. I admit I don't know all the facts, but here's what I do know to be 100% true.

1) I know that for the duration of the circus in Green Bay last season, Favre was retired as far as the league office is concerned. So a trade was out of the question. You don't trade an inactive player, because he could just choose to stay retired and void the trade. Packers get nothing in that scenario. No trade was going to happen until Favre was reinstated. And as soon as he was reinstated, he was traded almost immediately.

Thompson could have just released him outright, just as the Jets did this spring, but not many people would agree that doing so would have been in the best interests of the Packers. So the only argument one could make to just release Favre outright is that doing so was in the best interests of Favre himself, regardless of what the end result would be for the Packers. That argument puts Favre above the team, something most of us aren't willing to do and IMO shouldn't do. It's something Thompson correctly refused to do.

2) The Green Bay Packers Football Club, Inc. is a business. Businesses exist ultimately to make money, and the Packers are no different. So when the team President flies down to Mississippi to offer a marketing deal worth 20 million dollars to Favre so that the team can use his name and likeness post retirement for marketing purposes, it's because the return on that investment is going to be worth at least 5 times that amount. It adds a tremendous amount of income for the franchise, something any President of any company should be trying to do. Look at it from a purely business perspective and it makes perfect sense. Wouldn't you do the same thing if you were in charge of a business? I know I would.

Besides, again, it's not as if that marketing deal came off the table when he left the franchise. It's still offered to him. After he plays for the Vikings this year, it'll still be on the table for him next year. So it doesn't seem like an offer made to keep him retired, since he's unretired twice now and the offer still stands. That's what it looks like, doesn't it?

[woodbuck27]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.

Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm

I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss.......

Yes, imagine the players we have now that we'd have missed out on had he done that...

I voted fun, because of the distinct possibility that he could completely screw up the Minnesota Vikings for years to come. Delicious.

A Favre 'biggest hater' chimes in. MJZiggy? How can anyone be as cold as you? The negative emotion and hatred on this forum amazes me. All inspired by a man that just wants to play football. Amazingly shocking stuff.

[Gunakor]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.

Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm

I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss.......

Yes, imagine the players we have now that we'd have missed out on had he done that...

I voted fun, because of the distinct possibility that he could completely screw up the Minnesota Vikings for years to come. Delicious.

A Favre 'biggest hater' chimes in. MJZiggy? How can anyone be as cold as you? The negative emotion and hatred on this forum amazes me. All inspired by a man that just wants to play football. Amazingly shocking stuff.

What was cold about her post? That she hopes Favre serves as a mighty distraction in Vikingland, leading to the failure of an archrival? I'd think most of us want the Vikings to fail. The greater the failure in Minnesota, the greater the chances of success within the division for the Packers. That's one less team standing between us and the playoffs. What else matters?

Besides, everyone knows who the biggest Favre hater is, and it definitely isn't Ziggy.

[woodbuck27]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.

Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm

I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss.......

Yes, imagine the players we have now that we'd have missed out on had he done that...

I voted fun, because of the distinct possibility that he could completely screw up the Minnesota Vikings for years to come. Delicious.

A Favre 'biggest hater' chimes in. MJZiggy? How can anyone be as cold as you? The negative emotion and hatred on this forum amazes me. All inspired by a man that just wants to play football. Amazingly shocking stuff.

What was cold about her post? That she hopes Favre serves as a mighty distraction in Vikingland, leading to the failure of an archrival? I'd think most of us want the Vikings to fail. The greater the failure in Minnesota, the greater the chances of success within the division for the Packers. That's one less team standing between us and the playoffs. What else matters?

Besides, everyone knows who the biggest Favre hater is, and it definitely isn't Ziggy.

Do you actually believe that Favre in Minnesota makes that team weaker and could possibly screw the franchise up for as MJ puts it

'' years to come '' ?

Favre will become a Viking because and only if it makes sense to the Vikings and Favre to ink a contract.

It's the foolishness of the emotion that surprizes me man. Were dealing with a sport called football here. Favre isn't threatening our family and homes. He's about to become a Viking because clearly Ted Thompson didn't want him in ' the green and gold '. We're about to see the credibility of that decision play out short term and the impact of that decision play out long term as far as Green Bay Packer history is concerned

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired. The drama is indeed high. As a sports fan its all good or certainly intriguing.

[Lurker64]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

[woodbuck27]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

Somehow Favre and #4 in Purple and Wisconsin and Goodwill won't comprise to make the pickle of the year this autumn. . . I'm thinking .

[Gunakor]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired. The drama is indeed high. As a sports fan its all good or certainly intriguing.

They didn't offer Brett 20 million to stay retired. They offered Brett 20 million so they could make 100 million off his name. Why the hell do you think the offer is still on the table even though Brett isn't retired yet?

[woodbuck27]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired. The drama is indeed high. As a sports fan its all good or certainly intriguing.

They didn't offer Brett 20 million to stay retired. They offered Brett 20 million so they could make 100 million off his name. Why the hell do you think the offer is still on the table even though Brett isn't retired yet?

What is your source to back up this claim Gunakor?