Favre: the man, the legend. Are we having fun yet?

[MOBB DEEP]

No, we aren't having fun yet. At least I'm not. The whole idea of Favre being a Viking sickens me.

The team that I despise most in the NFL is the Vikings. My favorite player of all-time is Favre. I've been bashed by many on here last season, because ya know, you cannot be a Packer fan and still support Favre at the same time.... Well, I did support him with the Jets, but if he goes to MN, it's an entire different story for me. I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

I have stayed pretty mum throughout this latest ordeal because again, I don't want to believe that Favre would come back and disrespect the organization and the fans that supported him for so many years. I know some of you don't feel that way, but I certainly do. He played for TT for three seasons. He played for the Packers and the Packer fans for 16. How is that not sticking it to us? Again, 95% of this is media talk and nothing really from Brett himself, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But, should be put that ugly purple uni on, it's all off.

I forget who mentioned the fact about Favre's jersey being at Goodwill. That person actually makes a valid point because mine will probably be one of them, should be sign with MN.

nooooo; dont give to goodwill, send to me

i want ALL of his nfl jerzies (pack, jets, vikes) b/c i dig players more than orgs (not like a fav ncaa player of ours actually controls who drafts them or an nfl player controls where he's traded - cant imagine moss longing for raiders or lord favre prefering nyj)

i have a favre packers sweatshirt (MAD expensive) but not a jersey

hook me up!

long live the PLAYERS, who are the ones that ENTERTAIN us!!!!

[Packerarcher]

No, we aren't having fun yet. At least I'm not. The whole idea of Favre being a Viking sickens me.

The team that I despise most in the NFL is the Vikings. My favorite player of all-time is Favre. I've been bashed by many on here last season, because ya know, you cannot be a Packer fan and still support Favre at the same time.... Well, I did support him with the Jets, but if he goes to MN, it's an entire different story for me. I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

I have stayed pretty mum throughout this latest ordeal because again, I don't want to believe that Favre would come back and disrespect the organization and the fans that supported him for so many years. I know some of you don't feel that way, but I certainly do. He played for TT for three seasons. He played for the Packers and the Packer fans for 16. How is that not sticking it to us? Again, 95% of this is media talk and nothing really from Brett himself, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But, should be put that ugly purple uni on, it's all off.

I forget who mentioned the fact about Favre's jersey being at Goodwill. That person actually makes a valid point because mine will probably be one of them, should be sign with MN.

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

[pbmax]

I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

This point (a good one) is exactly why a player at Favre's career stage is such a difficult asset.

Favre would have loved to stay with the Packers and continue to play. But really wanted for the team to be built for now, not for the future, and that meant a difficult match with the GM. And he would prefer not to have to be at mini-camps or OTAs, and that made McCarthy a tougher match than Sherman. He would also like the team to beg him back, to provide some cover if his ability suddenly went South one year. The young Packers might, however, give him a shot of playing long enough to make it impossible for Manning to get his records. However, with Rodgers there, they have an option to do this without him.

He would have liked to stay with Tannenbaum in NY as he was building for now, but they had a new coach and they would not be running his offense. They also needed an answer soon so they could rework their cap prior to FA and the draft. He also might have had to be around for OTAs and minicamps since its a new head coach. And that meant one additional minicamp. Its also unclear how good the Jets will be, as the Patriots and Dolphins will be better and who knows what Buffalo will be like with TO. So they might already be struggling for a wild card.

He would like to play for Childress and Bevell, as they run his offense and have a running game to support him. The division might not be as tough as the AFC East, and even the wild card race might be better. Chilly might not demand his appearance at minicamps and OTAs, especially if surgery is delayed until 6 weeks before training camp. And he already knows the offense so missing them doesn't put him in a hole game wise or PR wise. He risks ticking off the Packer fan base. He might get the chance to put his records out of reach, or at least play until Manning breaks something else, but the Vikings will probably not make a long term investment. On the plus side, Sagvarious Jacksonfels doesn't scare even a 40 year old.

As an old player, the list of things he is willing to do, not willing to do, and things he would prefer is long indeed. So the answer to GBRulz's question is that there are precious few teams that meet all the requirements. And this doesn't even consider the bonus of sticking it to Thompson twice a year. This is also why a young team is easier to manage than a celebrity QB, everyone is desperate to succeed and usually pulling in the same direction.

What kills me is that hyper-competitive guy Favre does not see the need for year round training. I think it speaks to him being mentally burned out on the game and exposes the blind spot he has for his own vulnerabilities late in the season. And this, as well as his age and increasing likelihood of injury, makes him a big risk.

[MOBB DEEP]

I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

This point (a good one) is exactly why a player at Favre's career stage is such a difficult asset.

Favre would have loved to stay with the Packers and continue to play. But really wanted for the team to be built for now, not for the future, and that meant a difficult match with the GM. And he would prefer not to have to be at mini-camps or OTAs, and that made McCarthy a tougher match than Sherman. He would also like the team to beg him back, to provide some cover if his ability suddenly went South one year. The young Packers might, however, give him a shot of playing long enough to make it impossible for Manning to get his records. However, with Rodgers there, they have an option to do this without him.

He would have liked to stay with Tannenbaum in NY as he was building for now, but they had a new coach and they would not be running his offense. They also needed an answer soon so they could rework their cap prior to FA and the draft. He also might have had to be around for OTAs and minicamps since its a new head coach. And that meant one additional minicamp. Its also unclear how good the Jets will be, as the Patriots and Dolphins will be better and who knows what Buffalo will be like with TO. So they might already be struggling for a wild card.

He would like to play for Childress and Bevell, as they run his offense and have a running game to support him. The division might not be as tough as the AFC East, and even the wild card race might be better. Chilly might not demand his appearance at minicamps and OTAs, especially if surgery is delayed until 6 weeks before training camp. And he already knows the offense so missing them doesn't put him in a hole game wise or PR wise. He risks ticking off the Packer fan base. He might get the chance to put his records out of reach, or at least play until Manning breaks something else, but the Vikings will probably not make a long term investment. On the plus side, Sagvarious Jacksonfels doesn't scare even a 40 year old.

As an old player, the list of things he is willing to do, not willing to do, and things he would prefer is long indeed. So the answer to GBRulz's question is that there are precious few teams that meet all the requirements. And this doesn't even consider the bonus of sticking it to Thompson twice a year. This is also why a young team is easier to manage than a celebrity QB, everyone is desperate to succeed and usually pulling in the same direction.

What kills me is that hyper-competitive guy Favre does not see the need for year round training. I think it speaks to him being mentally burned out on the game and exposes the blind spot he has for his own vulnerabilities late in the season. And this, as well as his age and increasing likelihood of injury, makes him a big risk.

OMG, people listen to this man...

i've been jocking you ALOT lately (ebonics for championing your thoughts, comments, and quirks) and now im beginning to think you're my illegitimate white brother; thank thomas jefferson

this is thought out and well-put and cant possible illicit banter

pbmax = the thinking man sans misplaced emotions....

[cpk1994]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!

Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!

Yeah, that was ESPN being dishonest. You know, the network which was clearly in the tank for Favre and bashed TT at every point. Murphy went down there and reiterated the deal he offered Favre at the time of his "retirement". ESPN is good at being misleading and distorting the truth. You are being very gullible or ignorant, not sure which.

ok, so you're sayn that murph went down there at the most optimal time?

i cant recall EVERYTHING but i do remember that the timing was weird; thats ALL im postulating my man

yes, i watch espn but thats irrelevant; i KNOW favre said he felt insulted and im assuming its b/c of WHEN it happend...who would feel insulted with THAT kina offer unles it seemed SHADY???? if it was when he had been retired for AT LEAST six - eight months he would prob feel flattered

btw, i have NO PROB with being corrected when im truly wrong; thats how we grow as individuals

but to counter with conjecture (an activity alot of posters engage in) = flame baiting

Becuase Favre was the picture of honesty. There is no conjecture. Favre was offered the $20 million deal well before Murphy went down to Mississippi. That is indisputable fact. ESPN knew when the offer took place(they even mention it in the article) but distorted the truth to spin a story in their golden boy's favor. And yes ESPN is relevant becuase you continue to buy their garbage.

[cpk1994]

No, we aren't having fun yet. At least I'm not. The whole idea of Favre being a Viking sickens me.

The team that I despise most in the NFL is the Vikings. My favorite player of all-time is Favre. I've been bashed by many on here last season, because ya know, you cannot be a Packer fan and still support Favre at the same time.... Well, I did support him with the Jets, but if he goes to MN, it's an entire different story for me. I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

I have stayed pretty mum throughout this latest ordeal because again, I don't want to believe that Favre would come back and disrespect the organization and the fans that supported him for so many years. I know some of you don't feel that way, but I certainly do. He played for TT for three seasons. He played for the Packers and the Packer fans for 16. How is that not sticking it to us? Again, 95% of this is media talk and nothing really from Brett himself, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But, should be put that ugly purple uni on, it's all off.

I forget who mentioned the fact about Favre's jersey being at Goodwill. That person actually makes a valid point because mine will probably be one of them, should be sign with MN.

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

So going on national TV and throwing coaches under the bus is not shittting on the team? God, you are delusional.

[Harlan Huckleby]

God, you are delusional.

Are we having fun yet? You bet we are!


I too find the creator to be totally insane. Why all the children born into poverty? And why create a universe and expect people living in it to worship you? You talk about your divas......

[Gunakor]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

[MOBB DEEP]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!

Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!

Yeah, that was ESPN being dishonest. You know, the network which was clearly in the tank for Favre and bashed TT at every point. Murphy went down there and reiterated the deal he offered Favre at the time of his "retirement". ESPN is good at being misleading and distorting the truth. You are being very gullible or ignorant, not sure which.

ok, so you're sayn that murph went down there at the most optimal time?

i cant recall EVERYTHING but i do remember that the timing was weird; thats ALL im postulating my man

yes, i watch espn but thats irrelevant; i KNOW favre said he felt insulted and im assuming its b/c of WHEN it happend...who would feel insulted with THAT kina offer unles it seemed SHADY???? if it was when he had been retired for AT LEAST six - eight months he would prob feel flattered

btw, i have NO PROB with being corrected when im truly wrong; thats how we grow as individuals

but to counter with conjecture (an activity alot of posters engage in) = flame baiting

Becuase Favre was the picture of honesty. There is no conjecture. Favre was offered the $20 million deal well before Murphy went down to Mississippi. That is indisputable fact. ESPN knew when the offer took place(they even mention it in the article) but distorted the truth to spin a story in their golden boy's favor. And yes ESPN is relevant becuase you continue to buy their garbage.

ok, i stand corrected; i didnt know that when murph went down to miss favre had already been offered the deal weeks before

i thought it was only when he "threatened" to cause a stir did pack org decide to "quiet" him

i was bamboozled i guess

like a sheep

DAYUM!!

[MOBB DEEP]

God, you are delusional.

Are we having fun yet? You bet we are!


I too find the creator to be totally insane. Why all the children born into poverty? And why create a universe and expect people living in it to worship you? You talk about your divas......

lol; ur stupid HH

[MOBB DEEP]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

clifton to favre = apples to frickn oranges

yes favre DID deserve special treatment like MANY superstars before and after..they EARN it by frickn PRODUCING...there's a thousand cliftons to every 10 lord favres like there's a thousand TTs to every 1 "my brett" LOL

not rocket science....

[cpk1994]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

clifton to favre = apples to frickn oranges

yes favre DID deserve special treatment like MANY superstars before and after..they EARN it by frickn PRODUCING...there's a thousand cliftons to every 10 lord favres like there's a thousand TTs to every 1 "my brett" LOL

not rocket science....

Favre did not deserve special treatment. He is no greater than anyone else. He RETIRED. It amazes me you don't get that through your peabrain. You retire from your job and demand it back 3 months later and see what happens. My guess you will be escoreted out of the building.

[MOBB DEEP]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

clifton to favre = apples to frickn oranges

yes favre DID deserve special treatment like MANY superstars before and after..they EARN it by frickn PRODUCING...there's a thousand cliftons to every 10 lord favres like there's a thousand TTs to every 1 "my brett" LOL

not rocket science....

Favre did not deserve special treatment. He is no greater than anyone else. He RETIRED. It amazes me you don't get that through your peabrain. You retire from your job and demand it back 3 months later and see what happens. My guess you will be escoreted out of the building.

lol, by security....lol at image

yeah, thats in the layman's world

pro sports is different....i think...millionaires playn childs game!

[MJZiggy]

lol, by security....lol at image

yeah, thats in the layman's world

pro sports is different....i think...millionaires playn childs game!

Apparently not.

[The Shadow]

According special treatment to any player of a TEAM is the sort of mistake that ensures ultimate failure in a TEAM game.
And that, we witnessed for too long.