Nelson or Jones

[HarveyWallbangers]

Apparently, the coaches even have a hard time choosing which player is better.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/59088257.html

Tight battle

The coaching staff has been trying to divvy up snaps between wide receiver James Jones and Jordy Nelson, who are behind Greg Jennings and Donald Driver.

"Jordy's really come on," McCarthy said. "He had a heck of a camp the last two weeks.

"I don't have a problem with either one of them."

[Waldo]

It is a problem that it doesn't suck to have.

Before he got dinged, Jones looked better than ever. He' even quicker than I remember. He could be a superstar a la Boldin if he wants to be. Big strong guy that plays like a big strong guy, with great hands. Jones has special in him, if the keys are found to unleash it.


And Jordy, he showed off just how fast he is. He isn't quick at all. That boy's acceleration is slowwww. But once he gets up to top speed, I think that he's the fastest guy on the team. That was 4.35 DRC that he smoked, that couldn't catch him. Jordy has a 6th gear few can match. And he plays like he is tall, unlike Ruvell, the tall guy that played like he was a short guy.

[bobblehead]

It is a problem that it doesn't suck to have.

Before he got dinged, Jones looked better than ever. He' even quicker than I remember. He could be a superstar a la Boldin if he wants to be. Big strong guy that plays like a big strong guy, with great hands. Jones has special in him, if the keys are found to unleash it.


And Jordy, he showed off just how fast he is. He isn't quick at all. That boy's acceleration is slowwww. But once he gets up to top speed, I think that he's the fastest guy on the team. That was 4.35 DRC that he smoked, that couldn't catch him. Jordy has a 6th gear few can match. And he plays like he is tall, unlike Ruvell, the tall guy that played like he was a short guy.

I may have bumped heads with you lately waldo, but this is spot on imo. I am thinking big things for jones this year even as a #3. And with jordy, I think the slant is such a good route for him cuz he gets his speed built up just like you say and when he actually catches it he is nearing full speed, and at that point, not many can catch him.

Boldin is a great comparison in that he does the dirty work, and when he collides with a DB, he is rarely the loser. He is a man's man.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It is a problem that it doesn't suck to have.

Before he got dinged, Jones looked better than ever. He' even quicker than I remember. He could be a superstar a la Boldin if he wants to be. Big strong guy that plays like a big strong guy, with great hands. Jones has special in him, if the keys are found to unleash it.


And Jordy, he showed off just how fast he is. He isn't quick at all. That boy's acceleration is slowwww. But once he gets up to top speed, I think that he's the fastest guy on the team. That was 4.35 DRC that he smoked, that couldn't catch him. Jordy has a 6th gear few can match. And he plays like he is tall, unlike Ruvell, the tall guy that played like he was a short guy.

I may have bumped heads with you lately waldo, but this is spot on imo. I am thinking big things for jones this year even as a #3. And with jordy, I think the slant is such a good route for him cuz he gets his speed built up just like you say and when he actually catches it he is nearing full speed, and at that point, not many can catch him.

Boldin is a great comparison in that he does the dirty work, and when he collides with a DB, he is rarely the loser. He is a man's man.

I like'em both, but Boldin.

When Jones starts catching 8 yarders and blowing DBs up...we can talk. Let's just see him make it thru the season and do well. then we can start comparing him to a pro bowl player and potential HOF.

[Waldo]

Anquan Bolin (6'-1", 217) and Josh Morgan (6'-0", 219) are definitely the best comparisons to Jones (6'-1", 218) in the NFL.

All 3 play a similar game, all 3 are built like a brick shithouse. Similar size, similar quickness and speed (Jones is the fastest of the 3).

Obviously Anquan is a stud compared to the other two, but if James and Josh "break out", it will look a lot like Anquan.

Anquan isn't close to a HOF. It is very rare for a player to make the hall that isn't widely considered to be the best player at his position for at least a year. Anquan isn't even the best on his own team.

[bobblehead]

It is a problem that it doesn't suck to have.

Before he got dinged, Jones looked better than ever. He' even quicker than I remember. He could be a superstar a la Boldin if he wants to be. Big strong guy that plays like a big strong guy, with great hands. Jones has special in him, if the keys are found to unleash it.


And Jordy, he showed off just how fast he is. He isn't quick at all. That boy's acceleration is slowwww. But once he gets up to top speed, I think that he's the fastest guy on the team. That was 4.35 DRC that he smoked, that couldn't catch him. Jordy has a 6th gear few can match. And he plays like he is tall, unlike Ruvell, the tall guy that played like he was a short guy.

I may have bumped heads with you lately waldo, but this is spot on imo. I am thinking big things for jones this year even as a #3. And with jordy, I think the slant is such a good route for him cuz he gets his speed built up just like you say and when he actually catches it he is nearing full speed, and at that point, not many can catch him.

Boldin is a great comparison in that he does the dirty work, and when he collides with a DB, he is rarely the loser. He is a man's man.

I like'em both, but Boldin.

When Jones starts catching 8 yarders and blowing DBs up...we can talk. Let's just see him make it thru the season and do well. then we can start comparing him to a pro bowl player and potential HOF.

I definately agree. Didn't mean to say he is anywhere near Boldins class yet, just that he plays a lot the same. As waldo said, if he breaks out and has a good year it will look a lot like boldin. If it ever gets all the way to where boldin is I'll be thrilled with him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jones has size, quickness, and strong hands. He lacks top end speed and concentration (he shouldn't drop as many balls as he does). He also doesn't use his strength to break tackles like he should. He looks much better (healthier) this year, so maybe he's ready to reach his full potential. I think he's a good #3 WR who could turn into a solid starter. I'll state again that I think Nelson reminds me of Kevin Walter. I'm excited to see what this receiving corps can do with a healthy Jones, a more experienced Nelson, and a maturing Jermichael Finley.

[Partial]

Jones has size, quickness, and strong hands. He lacks top end speed and concentration (he shouldn't drop as many balls as he does). He also doesn't use his strength to break tackles like he should. He looks much better (healthier) this year, so maybe he's ready to reach his full potential. I think he's a good #3 WR who could turn into a solid starter. I'll state again that I think Nelson reminds me of Kevin Walter. I'm excited to see what this receiving corps can do with a healthy Jones, a more experienced Nelson, and a maturing Jermichael Finley.

That said, I read that Jones dropped one ball all of camp, leading all receivers in completion %. That's a positive sign fo' sho'. This offense will be disgustingly good this year imo.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Anquan Bolin (6'-1", 217) and Josh Morgan (6'-0", 219) are definitely the best comparisons to Jones (6'-1", 218) in the NFL.

All 3 play a similar game, all 3 are built like a brick shithouse. Similar size, similar quickness and speed (Jones is the fastest of the 3).

Obviously Anquan is a stud compared to the other two, but if James and Josh "break out", it will look a lot like Anquan.

Anquan isn't close to a HOF. It is very rare for a player to make the hall that isn't widely considered to be the best player at his position for at least a year. Anquan isn't even the best on his own team.

Similar game. Bullshit. Jones isn't catching passes right off the LOS and blowing people up. How they are built isn't the issue, it is how they play. Q is the most physical receiver in the game.

HOF: There are many who, previous to Fitz in the playoffs, thought Q was better.

I said potential. And, your eval is well off. Hines ward is a potential HOF..and he is far from being the best in one year. there are way more receivers...game is changing and the criteria is as well.

Q:

Offensive rookie of the year
Pro bowl his rookie year
3x Pro Bowl
Captain

Give him 2 or 3 more pro bowls..and he will be best WR on his NEW team.

Give him 6 more years and he will eclipse Michael Irvin..with worse QBing, worse coaching, etc.

Please stop. You are talking about a pro bowler in his first year, a warrior...and comparing him to Jones...who has accomplished practically nothing and isn't a warrior.

When Jones comes close to Q's average year...80 or so catches, 1000 plus yards, 7 tds...then we can start with comparisons.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It is a problem that it doesn't suck to have.

Before he got dinged, Jones looked better than ever. He' even quicker than I remember. He could be a superstar a la Boldin if he wants to be. Big strong guy that plays like a big strong guy, with great hands. Jones has special in him, if the keys are found to unleash it.


And Jordy, he showed off just how fast he is. He isn't quick at all. That boy's acceleration is slowwww. But once he gets up to top speed, I think that he's the fastest guy on the team. That was 4.35 DRC that he smoked, that couldn't catch him. Jordy has a 6th gear few can match. And he plays like he is tall, unlike Ruvell, the tall guy that played like he was a short guy.

I may have bumped heads with you lately waldo, but this is spot on imo. I am thinking big things for jones this year even as a #3. And with jordy, I think the slant is such a good route for him cuz he gets his speed built up just like you say and when he actually catches it he is nearing full speed, and at that point, not many can catch him.

Boldin is a great comparison in that he does the dirty work, and when he collides with a DB, he is rarely the loser. He is a man's man.

I like'em both, but Boldin.

When Jones starts catching 8 yarders and blowing DBs up...we can talk. Let's just see him make it thru the season and do well. then we can start comparing him to a pro bowl player and potential HOF.

I definately agree. Didn't mean to say he is anywhere near Boldins class yet, just that he plays a lot the same. As waldo said, if he breaks out and has a good year it will look a lot like boldin. If it ever gets all the way to where boldin is I'll be thrilled with him.

Ok. But they don't even play the same game. Q isn't running the same routes as Jones. Q is a chain mover.

Jones has the same body type, but how they play the game is worlds apart.

Q is a monster. Q can and will play any position. Q has openly lobbied the Cards to let him play defense. Q has said he wants to play DE and rush the passer. Now, would he succeed, i don't know...but, i guarantee you that Jones aint' that type of ballplayer.

I watched Q all the way back in high school. I watched him at FSU where he started as a qB.

Q has been at the top since high school, mr. football in high school. He is a member of the florida high ALL CENTURY TEAM. Do you realize how good you have to be to be on that list?

Q is a football player. Jones is a Wide Receiver.

[RashanGary]

Jones has size, quickness, and strong hands. He lacks top end speed and concentration (he shouldn't drop as many balls as he does). He also doesn't use his strength to break tackles like he should. He looks much better (healthier) this year, so maybe he's ready to reach his full potential. I think he's a good #3 WR who could turn into a solid starter. I'll state again that I think Nelson reminds me of Kevin Walter. I'm excited to see what this receiving corps can do with a healthy Jones, a more experienced Nelson, and a maturing Jermichael Finley.

I recall Jones had really good hands his rookie year. Better than Driver and Jennings.

What he lacked last year was health and it effected his whole game. It's harder to catch when you're afraid to go down. I think you might have a misread on this, Harv.

I guess the proof will be whether he steps it up this year. If it was health, he'll be the playmaker he was as a rookie and then some. If that was a fluke and last years injury season is who he really is, then he'll stink. We'll find out.

[RashanGary]

Here's another way to look at it:

When not injured;


Jones floor is his rookie year

Jones cieling is the sky



Go somewhere in between that and I think you have a #1 reciever. I'm more convinced of Jones now than when this conversation went on last time. Now I can't split the two. Then I liked Jordy's completeness to his game better. Now Jones' "playmaker" evens it out.

[RashanGary]

If I had to make the most optimistic comparisons, I'd do this:

Jones is to Boldin
as
Nelson is to Hines Ward

[Pugger]

What an interesting thread here. Both players bring their own unique talents to the table and we are lucky, frankly, to have both! I'm sure there are several teams out there that would LOVE to have Jones and Nelson as their STARTERS.

[bobblehead]

What an interesting thread here. Both players bring their own unique talents to the table and we are lucky, frankly, to have both! I'm sure there are several teams out there that would LOVE to have Jones and Nelson as their STARTERS.

HOMER post. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I doubt there is ONE team that would be happy with those 2 as starters at this point.