Favre Prediction Thread

[Fritz]

The Detroit talking heads were raking Favre over the coals yesterday. Not that that matters in and of itself, but what I found interesting was this idea from a caller:

If Favre's ultra-competetive nature has been his calling card for years (think back to the adoring announcers and fans - including m e - who talk about his fierce will-to-win), and now he can't decide, a week before camp, whether he wants to come back with a large contract and competetive team seemingly already in place, hasn't he then lost the very quality that so many of us argued made him special?

Hmm.

[pbmax]

Marc Trestman is unlikely to be an NFL Head Coach, because he has already bounced around the entire league for 2 decades and has been only as high as offensive coordinator in the NFL.

Trestman came to the Cleveland Browns (after Lindy Infante went to some wretched franchise to try to save it from itself) on the recommendation of Bernie Kosar who knew him from the University of Miami. He was part of an offensive struggle after he became coordinator and was embarrassed on National TV when Bill Walsh (then a color commentator) mentioned that Trestman had come to him asking to talk about short yardage red zone plays. It wasn't clear logically how this was news, but it was played on TV like desperation on Trestman's part. The Browns had started fast but were struggling.

He was let go in a coaching shakeup after that one season as coordinator, spent two years as a QB coach for the Vikings and then was out of football for three years. He recovered and received training in the West Coast offense as a staff member of the 49ers under Seifert I believe. He was on their staff for Young's last great season in 1995. He was there for Scott Mitchell's best season in Detroit and Plummer's best one in Arizona.

He has always bounced around to troubled (or soon to be troubled) franchises looking for some offensive magic. He seems to be able to do something, but it is never enough to keep the coaching staff intact. His worst trait might be an uncanny knack for taking over when trouble is brewing. He might have been better served stepping down a rung to go to a franchise on the rise.

He doesn't seem to have connections to coaches who get head coaching jobs that are a fresh start or a franchise on the rise. His only chance might be to remake that rep in the CFL. Right now, if Trestman came to my team, I would start looking forward to a new Head Coach and a top five pick within 2 years.

[Fritz]

And - (here's my Richard Nixon impression) I would like to make this perfectly clear - my observation on Trestman was based upon Woody's own claim that the players loved Trestman because he didn't put any one player above another.

I would simply point out that that is not how the NFL works, and if Trestman truly does treat all his players the same, he'll never be an NFL head coach.

That's all. Not trying to denigrate any individual poster.

[pbmax]

Doh!

[Scott Campbell]

And - (here's my Richard Nixon impression) I would like to make this perfectly clear - my observation on Trestman was based upon Woody's own claim that the players loved Trestman because he didn't put any one player above another.

I would simply point out that that is not how the NFL works, and if Trestman truly does treat all his players the same, he'll never be an NFL head coach.

That's all. Not trying to denigrate any individual poster.

[Pugger]

The Detroit talking heads were raking Favre over the coals yesterday. Not that that matters in and of itself, but what I found interesting was this idea from a caller:

If Favre's ultra-competetive nature has been his calling card for years (think back to the adoring announcers and fans - including m e - who talk about his fierce will-to-win), and now he can't decide, a week before camp, whether he wants to come back with a large contract and competetive team seemingly already in place, hasn't he then lost the very quality that so many of us argued made him special?

Hmm.

And his undecidedness and lack of commitment were the main reasons why MM chose Rodgers over Favre last summer.

[woodbuck27]

And I believe that MN will become the hot ticket for incoming coaches after Chilly gets fired. (if he doesn't win a playoff game)

We have a fella up here coaching the Montreal Alouettes named Marc Trestman who is something else. I believe he'll make an outstanding HC for some fortunate NFL team.

He has NFL coaching experience and has worked alot mentoring NFL QB's I understand. His players love his all in for the team attitude. No player is above another is his style. He's also got a superior offensive mind and approach.

Eventually we'll see him in the NFL and I'd love to see him as the Packer HC but I decided to post this for what it's worth.

Marc Trestman = a good one.

Then he'll never make it as an NFL head coach.

Why Fritz? Why won't Marc Trestman ever make it as an NFL HC?

Is that meant as a slam on me and my ability to assess a man I read about regularly Fritz and a main reason for the Alouettes success?

What is that post supposed to mean Fritz? What do you know of Marc Trestman to inform us that he doesn't have NFL HC ability? Back yourself up Fritz. There is plenty I read and have read that informs me otherwise Fritz.

Again. Marc Trestman is proving to be an excellent Head Coach and I do believe he will gain a spot as HC in the NFL soon. He's dedicated,personable and has gifted insight into how to run an offense. The Alouette players respect and like him immensely. He makes the game fun for them as well and he's fit in very well to the community of Montreal and that's not exactly small town status.

Mantreal is a big time city Fritz. Of course your likely aware of that fact.

The Montreal Alouettes are an institution here and runner up in the Grey Cup last season under Marc Trestman.

Yes, Woody. True to my form, I have attacked you, personally and baselessly. I have denigrated your entire body of work, every post you have ever hit the "submit" button on. Yup, that's me. I've called you both male and female body parts, I've wrecked you, I've called into question your very essence as a human being. That's me.

Jay-sus, Woody, lighten up. My point is that the NFL is a star-driven system. You cannot - I repeat, cannot - treat every player the same in the NFL. You know damn well that Brett Favre or Randy Moss does not get the same treatment as Matt Flynn or Alfred Malone or Jamarko Simmons.

I was simply questioning whether a coach who truly treats all players the same - your claim I think - could possibly be a good NFL coach. That might - and might is the key word - work in the CFL, but it won't work in the NFL.

Okay?

Sorry no time to respond to this as I need to Fritz as In disagree with you. Otherwise Fritz. Have a great weekend.

Ed.

Packers!

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/07/26/camps/1.html

I do find it interesting he hasn't worked out with his friend from Athletes Performance Institute, Ken Croner (more about him in a couple of paragraphs), or, apparently, with any personal trainer for any length of time this offseason. Croner got him ready for a physically strong season two years ago. Last year, without doing much in the offseason, Favre was spent by December. Maybe he's been more disciplined and worked out hard on his own. We'll see.

[Fritz]

Deanna's running his workouts - he'll be in top notch shape.

[Pugger]

And this lack of conditioning is going to come back and bite him and the queens in the fanny later this season with any luck. His arm may be fine but if his legs get tired he'll throw ducks up for MN like he did in NY later last season.

[MOBB DEEP]

And this lack of conditioning is going to come back and bite him and the queens in the fanny later this season with any luck. His arm may be fine but if his legs get tired he'll throw ducks up for MN like he did in NY later last season.

u dont think he's working out to avoid embarssing himself this seasonb? esp coming back to the division?!

[Pugger]

I don't know if he isn't working out but a player at his age has to work twice as hard as a younger player does and the article by King suggested he wasn't training like he did 2 years ago. For his and MN's sake he better be in tip top shape (we Packer fans should hope he ISN'T). Tossing footballs to high school kids isn't gonna cut it.

[MOBB DEEP]

I don't know if he isn't working out but a player at his age has to work twice as hard as a younger player does and the article by King suggested he wasn't training like he did 2 years ago. For his and MN's sake he better be in tip top shape (we Packer fans should hope he ISN'T). Tossing footballs to high school kids isn't gonna cut it.

actually he could just do a BUCNH of cardio to come in prepared...like one poster said, its not his arm but his legs that may give out over the season...he knows system already and can read defenses after playnj for two decades, so merely having good stamina should allow him to excel

and i submit that one can hope for him to succeed and at the same time pull for the mighty pack...i want him to throw for 800 yards and 8 tds vs pack but go 0-2

[ThunderDan]

I don't know if he isn't working out but a player at his age has to work twice as hard as a younger player does and the article by King suggested he wasn't training like he did 2 years ago. For his and MN's sake he better be in tip top shape (we Packer fans should hope he ISN'T). Tossing footballs to high school kids isn't gonna cut it.

actually he could just do a BUCNH of cardio to come in prepared...like one poster said, its not his arm but his legs that may give out over the season...he knows system already and can read defenses after playnj for two decades, so merely having good stamina should allow him to excel

and i submit that one can hope for him to succeed and at the same time pull for the mighty pack...i want him to throw for 800 yards and 8 tds vs pack but go 0-2

You don't do a BUNCH of cardio and come in prepared.

To get to that level if you aren't working out you are looking at 2-4 hours a day 4-5 per week. Keeping that up is near impossible. If BF is questioning if he can make it thru the season I'm guessing he wouldn't put in the time with the cardio.

Also, he will be in training camp and meetings all day. When is he going to have 3 spare hours in his day?

[MJZiggy]

I predict Favre will wait 'til the 31st, then retire (or at least not unretire).

Ahem...so I was a couple days off...

Dammit. I was right for what? A week? So close but yet so far....