What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

[Rastak]

I'm guessing he needs to find a team that doesn;t mind the protests and likes his 75 career QB rating.


Nobody comes to mind. The Vikings seem to like a 75 rating in QBs for some odd reason but they most certainly don't want a bunch of nuts ringing the stadium every Sunday.

Green Bay can handle the protests stuff easily I think. My question is why would center around why they want the 75 rating AND a guy that hasn't played in a helluva long time over what they have?

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EDIT: Opps, already been posted by Rastak:

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=17641&start=360

Looks like it just got more interesting:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/packers-interest-in-vick-in-holding-pattern/

Report: High level Packer visited Vick
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 8, 2009 3:01 PM ET
It's possible, even likely, that a handful of NFL teams have extensively researched the possibility of adding Michael Vick.

The Packers, though, are the only ones we know about for sure. And their interest appears more than cursory.

Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports said in a recent interview that the Packers sent a "high-level" personnel man to meet with Vick. (Robinson confirmed the news to PFT.)

An interview would appear to be taking a step beyond due diligence, but Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel credits sources that say a signing isn't imminent.

At this stage, Green Bay's interest is in a "holding pattern." Silverstein writes there is no reason to believe that the Packers "will do anything beyond discussing the pros and cons of bringing in one of the most dynamic offensive players of his time."

That could change depending on how Green Bay's young backup quarterbacks develop.

There have been mixed reviews regarding '08 seventh-round pick Matt Flynn's development, but second-round selection Brian Brohm has a lot to prove. He had a miserable rookie year, and there hasn't been any progress reported this offseason. Flynn looks like the backup.

If the Packers aren't comfortable with Flynn and Brohm after watching them in the preseason, they will be well equipped to make a decision about adding Vick.

Vick clearly would have no shot at ever supplanting Aaron Rodgers, but it would be a chance to get back into the NFL and rehab his image. The Packers wouldn't enter into such an agreement lightly, knowing that it could cause a distraction to the team.

Still, the players seem supportive of the move.

After saying that Aaron Rodgers was the clear leader of the team, wideout Donald Driver said that "guys would open their arms up to [Vick] and respect him like a normal man."

Cornerback Charles Woodson says the team is was built to handle any distraction after the Brett Favre saga and sounded open to the possibility. Safety Nick Collins agrees, and is in favor of bringing in Vick.

Collins points out that G.M. Ted Thompson made the unpopular decision to roll with Aaron Rodgers, and it proved correct.

"[Thompson is] going to make the right decision. He's not going to shrimp out because of someone else's opinion. If he thinks it's going to help this team, he's going to pull that trigger," Collins said.

We agree with Collins. If the Packers truly felt that Vick was be the best option available for their backup spot, they have prepared themselves enough to make the move.

Flynn could put the issue to rest with a monster preseason, but the Packers can't be ruled out as a potential Vick landing spot.

It looks like that's the closest thing to a positive NFL job lead that Vick has.

[BEARMAN]

Only a DESPERATE team will sign dogkilla Vick. Are the cheeseheads that desperate ? The media hype will be ENORMOUS! That could be a good thang, or a bad thang, depends on how the boys upstairs handle it. IMO, the hype and attention will be too distracting to the rest of the team, but hey, if you cheeseheads think you need that dogkilla to win some, go to it ! Good Luck with that move, ...

Go BEARS Go !

[Lurker64]

The media hype will be ENORMOUS!

Just like your FONT!

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Only a DESPERATE team will sign dogkilla Vick. Are the cheeseheads that desperate ? The media hype will be ENORMOUS! That could be a good thang, or a bad thang, depends on how the boys upstairs handle it. IMO, the hype and attention will be too distracting to the rest of the team, but hey, if you cheeseheads think you need that dogkilla to win some, go to it ! Good Luck with that move, ...

Go BEARS Go !

Wow, Denny Green was right . You are who we thought you were! An Idiot!

If anyone thinks the Packers are desparate for anything on offense proves you dont know what the hell your talking about. And Vick only adds anouther piece for an old and Decrepit bears defense to deal with.

[Packnut]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Not just with the Packers, but with any team? Obviously, the locker room needs to be accepting. Probably a team like GB, where fans have a lower PETA compassion would help. These are sort of givens. Additionally, I think:

- Vick needs to have low income expectations, maybe only slightly above minimum.
- Team and Vick have to agree to a short term, maybe 1 or 2 years only.
- Vick can't expect much of a signing bonus.
- Vick has to be willing to play other than QB, and perhaps return kicks. Can you imagine Michael Vick returning kickoffs?

What other factors are there?

A lower PETA compassion? It has NOTHING to do with PETA! That FUCKING animal put dogs in a ring so that they could rip each other to shreds while Vick and his buddies BET ON THEM! What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Forgive? Forget? More liberal bullshit.

[Brando19]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Not just with the Packers, but with any team? Obviously, the locker room needs to be accepting. Probably a team like GB, where fans have a lower PETA compassion would help. These are sort of givens. Additionally, I think:

- Vick needs to have low income expectations, maybe only slightly above minimum.
- Team and Vick have to agree to a short term, maybe 1 or 2 years only.
- Vick can't expect much of a signing bonus.
- Vick has to be willing to play other than QB, and perhaps return kicks. Can you imagine Michael Vick returning kickoffs?

What other factors are there?

A lower PETA compassion? It has NOTHING to do with PETA! That FUCKING animal put dogs in a ring so that they could rip each other to shreds while Vick and his buddies BET ON THEM! What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Forgive? Forget? More liberal bullshit.

Agreed...it was horrible...and he served over 2 years for it. Donte Stallworth took a man's life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! He got 24 days in jail. What's wrong with that picture?

[MJZiggy]

Donte had little choice in the matter--even if he shouldn't have been behind the wheel. His "victim" ran in front of his car. If you think that's punishable by years in jail, I hope it never happens to you. What Vick did was premeditated and profitable. I have a thing against people taking violent power over others be it wives, children or animals. He did not have to treat those dogs the way he did--part of that was for his own entertainment and he'll have to go a long way to prove that he's better than what he did, not just repeatedly, but over a course of time longer than he spent in jail.

It's rare that I agree with Packnut, but in this instance he's spot on.

[Brando19]

Donte had little choice in the matter--even if he shouldn't have been behind the wheel. His "victim" ran in front of his car. If you think that's punishable by years in jail, I hope it never happens to you. What Vick did was premeditated and profitable. I have a thing against people taking violent power over others be it wives, children or animals. He did not have to treat those dogs the way he did--part of that was for his own entertainment and he'll have to go a long way to prove that he's better than what he did, not just repeatedly, but over a course of time longer than he spent in jail.

It's rare that I agree with Packnut, but in this instance he's spot on.

I know what you're saying, Ziggy.

BUT.....Donte was high/drunk. If that was your loved one he hit...would you want him to serve time? Would a sober person have been able to avoid hitting him? That's a question he'll have to live with.

[MJZiggy]

Would a sober person have been able to avoid hitting him? That's a question he'll have to live with.

And that right there is the crux of it. Stallworth obviously didn't do it intentionally and from all accounts I've read, is seriously remorseful about it. I believe he will wonder about that for the rest of his life. I wonder if Vick has been bothered by what he did at all beyond how it affects him now. I don't have the same faith in Vick that I do in Stallworth. Stallworth has his own prison to deal with. I think once Vick gets his money back, his mental prison is over.

[Bretsky]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Not just with the Packers, but with any team? Obviously, the locker room needs to be accepting. Probably a team like GB, where fans have a lower PETA compassion would help. These are sort of givens. Additionally, I think:

- Vick needs to have low income expectations, maybe only slightly above minimum.
- Team and Vick have to agree to a short term, maybe 1 or 2 years only.
- Vick can't expect much of a signing bonus.
- Vick has to be willing to play other than QB, and perhaps return kicks. Can you imagine Michael Vick returning kickoffs?

What other factors are there?

A lower PETA compassion? It has NOTHING to do with PETA! That FUCKING animal put dogs in a ring so that they could rip each other to shreds while Vick and his buddies BET ON THEM! What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Forgive? Forget? More liberal bullshit.

Agreed...it was horrible...and he served over 2 years for it. Donte Stallworth took a man's life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! He got 24 days in jail. What's wrong with that picture?

Stallworth being a bad person does not make Vick the Prick any less terrible

I would not want either

[Patler]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Not just with the Packers, but with any team? Obviously, the locker room needs to be accepting. Probably a team like GB, where fans have a lower PETA compassion would help. These are sort of givens. Additionally, I think:

- Vick needs to have low income expectations, maybe only slightly above minimum.
- Team and Vick have to agree to a short term, maybe 1 or 2 years only.
- Vick can't expect much of a signing bonus.
- Vick has to be willing to play other than QB, and perhaps return kicks. Can you imagine Michael Vick returning kickoffs?

What other factors are there?

A lower PETA compassion? It has NOTHING to do with PETA! That FUCKING animal put dogs in a ring so that they could rip each other to shreds while Vick and his buddies BET ON THEM! What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Forgive? Forget? More liberal bullshit.

Did you just call me a liberal??

Who said anything about forgive and forget? All I wanted to do was start a thread to discuss what conditions might get him another job. Like it or not, someone somewhere will sign him. This is professional sports. GMs with a need overlook a lot of personal traits to fill those needs.

[The Leaper]

What factors?

Easy...one factor. Neither Brohm or Flynn really show much in the first preseason game.

We need a capable backup who won't look like Elmer Fudd out there if Rodgers goes down for a game or two. While Vick is rusty and is never going to be confused for a HOF caliber QB, he has the experience and athletic talent to be a decent #2 QB.

He made a mistake...he has lost millions of dollars and spent his time in prison as a result of that. To me, the guy has paid a fair price for his sins. As long as he keeps his nose clean, I don't see why he shouldn't be given a second chance...without the PETA nutjobs acting like the moral majority.

[Patler]

What factors?

Easy...one factor. Neither Brohm or Flynn really show much in the first preseason game.

We need a capable backup who won't look like Elmer Fudd out there if Rodgers goes down for a game or two. While Vick is rusty and is never going to be confused for a HOF caliber QB, he has the experience and athletic talent to be a decent #2 QB.

He made a mistake...he has lost millions of dollars and spent his time in prison as a result of that. To me, the guy has paid a fair price for his sins. As long as he keeps his nose clean, I don't see why he shouldn't be given a second chance...without the PETA nutjobs acting like the moral majority.

I didn't intend this to be about signing with Green Bay, specifically. I meant for him to sign with any team, and I fully expect that at some point someone will sign him. I think the chances of it being Green Bay are slim.

The Packers were willing to go with Flynn and Brohm as backups last year. and I see no reason why they won't this year, too. I assume neither will be worse than he was last season, and both should be at least somewhat better. Neither is at a stage to be given up on yet, that might come next season.

[Scott Campbell]

Only a DESPERATE team will sign dogkilla Vick. Are the cheeseheads that desperate ?

Yeah, were probably that desperate at backup QB. Though were nowhere near as desperate as the Bears are at starting WR 1 & 2.