What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

[woodbuck27]

Would a sober person have been able to avoid hitting him? That's a question he'll have to live with.

And that right there is the crux of it. Stallworth obviously didn't do it intentionally and from all accounts I've read, is seriously remorseful about it. I believe he will wonder about that for the rest of his life. I wonder if Vick has been bothered by what he did at all beyond how it affects him now. I don't have the same faith in Vick that I do in Stallworth. Stallworth has his own prison to deal with. I think once Vick gets his money back, his mental prison is over.

"Stallworth obviously didn't do it intentionally" MJ Ziggy

M. Vick killed dogs and Donte Stallworth killed a human being.

Your position is that Donte Stallworth is 'seriously remorseful', as opposed to the conciounce of M. Vick that is based in his dramatically reduced income level.

Donte Stallworth got behind the wheel of his vehicle and started the engine and drove while over the limit for alcohol and thus elected to make himself 'at least' eligible for a DUI. He ventured a risk certainly for himself and failed to forsee all the consequences of that decision. He made that choice and someone else suffered the consequences of his lousy decision MJ. The worst case scenario. He killed a person other than himself.

Bad luck or bad judgement? Your judgement finds for Donte Stallworth over M. Vick MJ in terms of conciounce. Donte Stallworth demonstrated bad judgement and carelessness in a far more serious and consequential outcome than M. Vick. The death of a human being.

I believe that both men made decisions that led to outcomes that seriously affected their lives. M. Vick paid a high price for an unlawful act. The disgrace that led to will always lead him back to his consciounce no less that what Donte Stallworth presently feels. A proper consciounce isn't limited by the seriousness of the crime nor the price of the offense when it's exposed to the public eye and punished.

I believe that both M. Vick and Donte Stallworth are equally and seriously remorseful MJ for their actions and consequences.

[SkinBasket]

Donte Stallworth got behind the wheel of his vehicle and started the engine and drove while over the limit for alcohol and thus elected to make himself 'at least' eligible for a DUI. He ventured a risk certainly for himself and failed to forsee all the consequences of that decision. He made that choice and someone else suffered the consequences of his lousy decision MJ. The worst case scenario. He killed a person other than himself.

Have you even read what happened? Donte could have been a stone sober abstinent monk approved for sainthood and touched by god himself and the fucking guy would have still been killed when we ran in front of the moving car. The dead moron made the worst choice of all the people you pontificate about, and that's probably why the dead moron's family wanted the court to be lenient with the punishment.

Yeah, he should serve time for DUI, the choice he made, but not for the life ending choice the other fucker made. If some drunk was carrying a scissors and some other idiot ran up and impaled himself on them and died, would you want to put the drunk in jail?

[BEARMAN]

{ilr]3]

Only a DESPERATE team will sign dogkilla Vick. Are the cheeseheads that desperate ? The media hype will be ENORMOUS! That could be a good thang, or a bad thang, depends on how the boys upstairs handle it. IMO, the hype and attention will be too distracting to the rest of the team, but hey, if you cheeseheads think you need that dogkilla to win some, go to it ! Good Luck with that move, ...

Go BEARS Go !

Wow, Denny Green was right . You are who we thought you were! An Idiot!

If anyone thinks the Packers are desparate for anything on offense proves you dont know what the hell your talking about. And Vick only adds anouther piece for an old and Decrepit bears defense to deal with.

Please, ... Da BEARS "D" will handle the cheeseheads with NO problems ! And, YES, I think the cheeseheads are Desperate, looking at Dogkilla Vick prooves it !
If calling me an idiot makes you fell better about yourself, I am glad to have helped, you still riding that short bus ?

Go BEARS Go !

[Bretsky]

Honestly, not many in here are too worried about the Bears in here so I doubt you'll get much of a rise out of anybody.

I'm worried about the Vikings

[Rastak]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Not just with the Packers, but with any team? Obviously, the locker room needs to be accepting. Probably a team like GB, where fans have a lower PETA compassion would help. These are sort of givens. Additionally, I think:

- Vick needs to have low income expectations, maybe only slightly above minimum.
- Team and Vick have to agree to a short term, maybe 1 or 2 years only.
- Vick can't expect much of a signing bonus.
- Vick has to be willing to play other than QB, and perhaps return kicks. Can you imagine Michael Vick returning kickoffs?

What other factors are there?

A lower PETA compassion? It has NOTHING to do with PETA! That FUCKING animal put dogs in a ring so that they could rip each other to shreds while Vick and his buddies BET ON THEM! What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Forgive? Forget? More liberal bullshit.

Agreed...it was horrible...and he served over 2 years for it. Donte Stallworth took a man's life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! He got 24 days in jail. What's wrong with that picture?

Actually the video showed Mr Reyes ran right out in front of his car. Stallworth never intended to hurt anyone and it *may* not have been his fault. What he did was wrong for sure but what Vick did was quite deliberate. He did exactly what he intended, he did not make a poor choice that had unintended concequences.

[Fritz]

Donte Stallworth got behind the wheel of his vehicle and started the engine and drove while over the limit for alcohol and thus elected to make himself 'at least' eligible for a DUI. He ventured a risk certainly for himself and failed to forsee all the consequences of that decision. He made that choice and someone else suffered the consequences of his lousy decision MJ. The worst case scenario. He killed a person other than himself.

Have you even read what happened? Donte could have been a stone sober abstinent monk approved for sainthood and touched by god himself and the fucking guy would have still been killed when we ran in front of the moving car. The dead moron made the worst choice of all the people you pontificate about, and that's probably why the dead moron's family wanted the court to be lenient with the punishment.

Yeah, he should serve time for DUI, the choice he made, but not for the life ending choice the other fucker made. If some drunk was carrying a scissors and some other idiot ran up and impaled himself on them and died, would you want to put the drunk in jail?

Skin, you are correct. If Donte was touched by god himself, then God/god wouldn't probably send some person in front of that car, unless he/she/it meant for it to happen in order to teach Donte some further lesson in humility as he moved forward on his path to sainthood.

[pbmax]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Forgive? Forget? More liberal bullshit.

Pope John Paul II would like a word with you about that linkage.

[Fritz]

Donte had little choice in the matter--even if he shouldn't have been behind the wheel. His "victim" ran in front of his car. If you think that's punishable by years in jail, I hope it never happens to you. What Vick did was premeditated and profitable. I have a thing against people taking violent power over others be it wives, children or animals. He did not have to treat those dogs the way he did--part of that was for his own entertainment and he'll have to go a long way to prove that he's better than what he did, not just repeatedly, but over a course of time longer than he spent in jail.

It's rare that I agree with Packnut, but in this instance he's spot on.

I like you, MJ.

[]{ilr]3]

{ilr]3]

Only a DESPERATE team will sign dogkilla Vick. Are the cheeseheads that desperate ? The media hype will be ENORMOUS! That could be a good thang, or a bad thang, depends on how the boys upstairs handle it. IMO, the hype and attention will be too distracting to the rest of the team, but hey, if you cheeseheads think you need that dogkilla to win some, go to it ! Good Luck with that move, ...

Go BEARS Go !

Wow, Denny Green was right . You are who we thought you were! An Idiot!

If anyone thinks the Packers are desparate for anything on offense proves you dont know what the hell your talking about. And Vick only adds anouther piece for an old and Decrepit bears defense to deal with.

Please, ... Da BEARS "D" will handle the cheeseheads with NO problems ! And, YES, I think the cheeseheads are Desperate, looking at Dogkilla Vick prooves it !
If calling me an idiot makes you fell better about yourself, I am glad to have helped, you still riding that short bus ?

Go BEARS Go !

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MUST NOT FEED THE TROLL
MUST NOT FEED THE TROLL
MUST NOT FEED THE TROLL
MUST NOT FEED THE TROLL
MUST NOT FEED THE TROLL


Ahhhh, a few hail Mary's and I am good again!

[MJZiggy]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Actually the video showed Mr Reyes ran right out in front of his car. Stallworth never intended to hurt anyone and it *may* not have been his fault. What he did was wrong for sure but what Vick did was quite deliberate. He did exactly what he intended, he did not make a poor choice that had unintended concequences.

Here's a question: If Vick never got caught, would he still be killing dogs; if Stallworth hadn't been caught would he still be running people over?

I highly doubt Stallworth will ever get in a car intoxicated again. With or without any sort of government punishment. Could you say the same is true for Vick? Had he not lost everything, would he never fight dogs again?

I like you too, Fritz

[SkinBasket]

Donte Stallworth got behind the wheel of his vehicle and started the engine and drove while over the limit for alcohol and thus elected to make himself 'at least' eligible for a DUI. He ventured a risk certainly for himself and failed to forsee all the consequences of that decision. He made that choice and someone else suffered the consequences of his lousy decision MJ. The worst case scenario. He killed a person other than himself.

Have you even read what happened? Donte could have been a stone sober abstinent monk approved for sainthood and touched by god himself and the fucking guy would have still been killed when we ran in front of the moving car. The dead moron made the worst choice of all the people you pontificate about, and that's probably why the dead moron's family wanted the court to be lenient with the punishment.

Yeah, he should serve time for DUI, the choice he made, but not for the life ending choice the other fucker made. If some drunk was carrying a scissors and some other idiot ran up and impaled himself on them and died, would you want to put the drunk in jail?

Skin, you are correct. If Donte was touched by god himself, then God/god wouldn't probably send some person in front of that car, unless he/she/it meant for it to happen in order to teach Donte some further lesson in humility as he moved forward on his path to sainthood.

On an aside, I always thought "touched by god" meant you were retarded. Too much Micheal Landon on the TV when I was a kid.

[Brando19]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Actually the video showed Mr Reyes ran right out in front of his car. Stallworth never intended to hurt anyone and it *may* not have been his fault. What he did was wrong for sure but what Vick did was quite deliberate. He did exactly what he intended, he did not make a poor choice that had unintended concequences.

Here's a question: If Vick never got caught, would he still be killing dogs; if Stallworth hadn't been caught would he still be running people over?

I highly doubt Stallworth will ever get in a car intoxicated again. With or without any sort of government punishment. Could you say the same is true for Vick? Had he not lost everything, would he never fight dogs again?

I like you too, Fritz

You make great points. My point is this. I am an animal lover...I have two dogs and I couldn't imagine hurting a dog.....ever. Stallworth killed a human being....which is far more important than a dog. Vick meant to kill those dogs...he deserved every bit of punishment he got. Stallworth didn't mean to kill that man...but he did...and he was intoxicated. If you or I would have ran over someone...we would be in jail. Donte may be sorry for his actions...but he should have to serve a year or two in jail..at the least. Twenty four days in jail sends the wrong message. These PETA idiots think a dog's life is as important as a human's...that's dumb.

[MJZiggy]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Actually the video showed Mr Reyes ran right out in front of his car. Stallworth never intended to hurt anyone and it *may* not have been his fault. What he did was wrong for sure but what Vick did was quite deliberate. He did exactly what he intended, he did not make a poor choice that had unintended concequences.

Here's a question: If Vick never got caught, would he still be killing dogs; if Stallworth hadn't been caught would he still be running people over?

I highly doubt Stallworth will ever get in a car intoxicated again. With or without any sort of government punishment. Could you say the same is true for Vick? Had he not lost everything, would he never fight dogs again?

I like you too, Fritz

You make great points. My point is this. I am an animal lover...I have two dogs and I couldn't imagine hurting a dog.....ever. Stallworth killed a human being....which is far more important than a dog. Vick meant to kill those dogs...he deserved every bit of punishment he got. Stallworth didn't mean to kill that man...but he did...and he was intoxicated. If you or I would have ran over someone...we would be in jail. Donte may be sorry for his actions...but he should have to serve a year or two in jail..at the least. Twenty four days in jail sends the wrong message. These PETA idiots think a dog's life is as important as a human's...that's dumb.

PETA idiots aside, the ability to torture and kill any creature by intent, be it a wife, a child (the worst in my mind) or a horse, dog, what have you, repeatedly over the course of years and for no good reason to me is as bad as accidentally hitting a human when he runs in front of your car. I'm looking at intent and the kind of character it takes to look at another living being suffering and be entertained by it and want it to continue.

[Brando19]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Actually the video showed Mr Reyes ran right out in front of his car. Stallworth never intended to hurt anyone and it *may* not have been his fault. What he did was wrong for sure but what Vick did was quite deliberate. He did exactly what he intended, he did not make a poor choice that had unintended concequences.

Here's a question: If Vick never got caught, would he still be killing dogs; if Stallworth hadn't been caught would he still be running people over?

I highly doubt Stallworth will ever get in a car intoxicated again. With or without any sort of government punishment. Could you say the same is true for Vick? Had he not lost everything, would he never fight dogs again?

I like you too, Fritz

You make great points. My point is this. I am an animal lover...I have two dogs and I couldn't imagine hurting a dog.....ever. Stallworth killed a human being....which is far more important than a dog. Vick meant to kill those dogs...he deserved every bit of punishment he got. Stallworth didn't mean to kill that man...but he did...and he was intoxicated. If you or I would have ran over someone...we would be in jail. Donte may be sorry for his actions...but he should have to serve a year or two in jail..at the least. Twenty four days in jail sends the wrong message. These PETA idiots think a dog's life is as important as a human's...that's dumb.

PETA idiots aside, the ability to torture and kill any creature by intent, be it a wife, a child (the worst in my mind) or a horse, dog, what have you, repeatedly over the course of years and for no good reason to me is as bad as accidentally hitting a human when he runs in front of your car. I'm looking at intent and the kind of character it takes to look at another living being suffering and be entertained by it and want it to continue.

Can't argue that. Killing intentionally is waaaaay worse than accidentally killing someone/something. I just think Stallworth should have been in jail longer. I mean, Nick Hogan was in jail for a year for crying out loud.

[SnakeLH2006]

I like ya Patler....But way to rob up a VICK topic that stated the same thing WAY earlier...FUCK YOUR TOPIC:

Peep the OG Topic:

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=18193