What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

[Guiness]

Have you even read what happened? Donte could have been a stone sober abstinent monk approved for sainthood and touched by god himself and the fucking guy would have still been killed when we ran in front of the moving car. The dead moron made the worst choice of all the people you pontificate about, and that's probably why the dead moron's family wanted the court to be lenient with the punishment.

Yeah, he should serve time for DUI, the choice he made, but not for the life ending choice the other fucker made. If some drunk was carrying a scissors and some other idiot ran up and impaled himself on them and died, would you want to put the drunk in jail?

For someone who casts stones at others for straw man arguments...

[Patler]

I like ya Patler....But way to rob up a VICK topic that stated the same thing WAY earlier...FUCK YOUR TOPIC:

Peep the OG Topic:

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=18193

Same thing? I think not! Read my initial post in this thread.
Different topics:

Thread 1 - Should the Packers sign Vick. Would we want to sign Vick. (Even has a poll.)

This thread - What has to happen for ANY team to sign Vick. I was hoping to focus on what a team can expect from him and what he can expect from a team. It has nothing to do with whether you want to sign him, or if you think anyone should. It WILL happen. Someone will sign him. That being the case, what has to happen for him to be signed?

But, doesn't matter. This thread is dead.

[Fritz]

No, wait! No it's not!

I think that in order to sign Vick, one of the conditions would be for the NFL team to have green M & M's in Vick's dressing room before every show.

Oh, wait. That was Van Halen.

Oops.

[Pugger]

Let's set aside his illegal activities for a second and look at this situation only about football. Is Vick a good fit for US?? From what I'm gathering he may not be a good QB in a WCO. Yes, it would be nice to have a vet QB at #2 but could he become a decent pocket QB under MM's tutelage? And if we do sign him, what do we do with Flynn or Brohm? I seriously doubt TT and MM want to expose either guy to waivers by trying to sneak either one onto the practice squad. And finally do we have the luxury of keeping 4 QBs on the active roster?

[Guiness]

Let's set aside his illegal activities for a second and look at this situation only about football. Is Vick a good fit for US?? From what I'm gathering he may not be a good QB in a WCO. Yes, it would be nice to have a vet QB at #2 but could he become a decent pocket QB under MM's tutelage? And if we do sign him, what do we do with Flynn or Brohm? I seriously doubt TT and MM want to expose either guy to waivers by trying to sneak either one onto the practice squad. And finally do we have the luxury of keeping 4 QBs on the active roster?

From a pure football perspective, I agree with you Pugger. He's not a great fit for the team, at QB anyways. His greatest obvious value is to a team that runs a Wildcat, not a WCO. Others have said as a returner, but I think he's got a bit more value than that.

Not that it matters, because I don't see Vick fitting into our offense regardless...but you need to convince me that what I saw on the field was the WCO???

[Pugger]

True, maybe it wasn't a true WCO but is isn't Wildcat either.

[Guiness]

True, maybe it wasn't a true WCO but is isn't Wildcat either.

Someone should install the option so Vick can play in it!!!

Ok. Maybe not.

[mission]

MM is one of the most CREATIVE offensive minds in all of football. People talking about "a fit for the WCO" ... come on, we don't really even run much of a WCO anymore. That was #4, our routes and timing having changed a lot since AR took over (not nearly as much focus on slants, etc) ... we could work all sorts of stuff with Vick and Im sure MM would adjust to fit if AR were to get hurt. And if he stays healthy, you can bet on seeing 3-6 plays a game with some crazy formations and many maybe even using both AR/MV.

[Patler]

It's a small thing, but unless Vick is a teams #2 QB he causes a little bit of a game day roster disadvantage. If he is active along with the #2 QB you lose the advantage of the "3rd QB" designation. It will require shorting another position.

[Freak Out]

What is Vicks attitude about playing right now? Is he content to be a #2? I would not have a problem letting either Flynn or Brohm go if Vick would be around for a couple of years....we can draft another QB to back up Rodgers after we trade Vick because Rodgers is the Packer QB for a long time unless he gets hurt.

[Lurker64]

It's a small thing, but unless Vick is a teams #2 QB he causes a little bit of a game day roster disadvantage. If he is active along with the #2 QB you lose the advantage of the "3rd QB" designation. It will require shorting another position.

The Dolphins are in a similar situation this year, with Chad Pennington as their unquestioned starter, Chad Henne as the young talent who is being groomed to be an NFL starter some day, and Pat White as the designated "wildcat" quarterback.

It's my understanding that the Dolphins plan is to declare Henne the #3 QB to take advantage of the "third QB game day roster" rule, even though Henne would start in case an injury caused Pennington to miss a start.

No reason the Packers couldn't do something similar with Rodgers, Flynn, and Vick.

[Patler]

It's a small thing, but unless Vick is a teams #2 QB he causes a little bit of a game day roster disadvantage. If he is active along with the #2 QB you lose the advantage of the "3rd QB" designation. It will require shorting another position.

The Dolphins are in a similar situation this year, with Chad Pennington as their unquestioned starter, Chad Henne as the young talent who is being groomed to be an NFL starter some day, and Pat White as the designated "wildcat" quarterback.

It's my understanding that the Dolphins plan is to declare Henne the #3 QB to take advantage of the "third QB game day roster" rule, even though Henne would start in case an injury caused Pennington to miss a start.

No reason the Packers couldn't do something similar with Rodgers, Flynn, and Vick.

Ya, it has nothing to do with the problem of who the starter would be in the future if the #1 is hurt, but in the game when the injury occurs. If your true #2 is the designated "3rd QB" you might have to finish the game with your #3 when the #1 is hurt.

Like I said, its not a big deal, especially with a team like the Packers who have no specialized return man. Blackmon, Williams and Nelson would be suited up anyway.

[swede]

No, wait! No it's not!

I think that in order to sign Vick, one of the conditions would be for the NFL team to have green M & M's in Vick's dressing room before every show.

Oh, wait. That was Van Halen.

Oops.

The clause was "no brown M&Ms". It was there--buried in a random spot in the paperwork-- to provide the advance people a quick way to ensure that the dickheads running the Putz County Arena had actually read the contract. If there were no M&Ms at all or if there were brown M&Ms in the bowl, chances are the contractually demanded specifications for electricity and space had been screwed up as well.

Michael Vick makes sense to me. Brohm and Flynn are looking pretty underwhelming in a Tim Couch kind of way.

I'm sure TT dismisses the idea of Vick as quickly as it would be possible for TT to dismiss an idea. We never get to have any fun hiring crazy people because Green Bay doesn't have any trouble selling tickets.

[Lurker64]

I'm sure TT dismisses the idea of Vick as quickly as it would be possible for TT to dismiss an idea. We never get to have any fun hiring crazy people because Green Bay doesn't have any trouble selling tickets.

Well, it could be the other way around actually. Vick is a very controversial figure and his involvement with a crime most people find incredibly distasteful might actually drive some people away from the stadium. If you're a general manager or an owner for a team that has had trouble selling out games in the past, you might pass on Vick simply because he might hurt your bottom line.

Adam Schefter's "Vick List" consists of New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Green Bay, and Carolina all of which are fairly stable organizations who would probably have no trouble selling tickets even if they signed Osama Bin Laden to hold for field goals.

[Guiness]

The Dolphins are in a similar situation this year, with Chad Pennington as their unquestioned starter, Chad Henne as the young talent who is being groomed to be an NFL starter some day, and Pat White as the designated "wildcat" quarterback.

It's my understanding that the Dolphins plan is to declare Henne the #3 QB to take advantage of the "third QB game day roster" rule, even though Henne would start in case an injury caused Pennington to miss a start.

No reason the Packers couldn't do something similar with Rodgers, Flynn, and Vick.

Ya, it has nothing to do with the problem of who the starter would be in the future if the #1 is hurt, but in the game when the injury occurs. If your true #2 is the designated "3rd QB" you might have to finish the game with your #3 when the #1 is hurt.

Like I said, its not a big deal, especially with a team like the Packers who have no specialized return man. Blackmon, Williams and Nelson would be suited up anyway.

I think Lurker is refering to a rule that allows you to 'activate' your 3rd QB as an emergency QB. I seem to remember something about it myself. Didn't we actually use it once when Favre got hurt, and Pederson came in and immediately hurt himself...causing Nall to take the field?

I think it's intended for use if both the #1 and #2 guy get hurt, and you can't bring them back into the game if the #3 takes the field. But I'm not sure how it works.