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KGB kind of fell off the radar after he was cut didn't he? I thought I read he tried out for a team late last season but I could be thinking of someone else. I am surprised to see him hang it up and not give it another shot, at least for a season or two. If Vonnie Holiday can still get a tryout, KGB you would have to think would warrant one too."Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
– Benjamin Franklin
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Looks like Rayner isn't going to stick anywhere long term. I thought he was a pretty good kicker when he was here, and would land somewhere else and make a decent career out of it. Guess not.Originally posted by pbmaxParis Lenon dropped by the Patriots, who PFT via the Boston Globe says have been playing more 4-3 this year.
Orrin Thompson gone from the Gints as is Shaun Bodiford. Robert Thomas and Dave Rayner gone from Redskins. James Lee off the Bucs. Larry Birdine off the Titans. Mike Hawkins off the Raiders, Billy Cundiff off the Lions.--
Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
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Rayner sucked. Though you were not alone in your assesment, as i believe merlin as thought he was better than crosby.Originally posted by GuinessLooks like Rayner isn't going to stick anywhere long term. I thought he was a pretty good kicker when he was here, and would land somewhere else and make a decent career out of it. Guess not.Originally posted by pbmaxParis Lenon dropped by the Patriots, who PFT via the Boston Globe says have been playing more 4-3 this year.
Orrin Thompson gone from the Gints as is Shaun Bodiford. Robert Thomas and Dave Rayner gone from Redskins. James Lee off the Bucs. Larry Birdine off the Titans. Mike Hawkins off the Raiders, Billy Cundiff off the Lions.
The thing about kickers is that is clearly defined, there is no subjectivity. At least in regards to making kicks (unless you have a bad holder)....kickoffs i guess we can talk about directions, hang time..which is more important..who gets the better direction, etc.
Rayner was 66% from 30-39....that is completely unacceptable. He was good from 40--49 at 8 of 11, but from 50 plus..1 of 3. So, if you got in his "sweet spot" he was good. Looking at him, you knew that his sweet spot would never hold.
He continued to be subpar at 30-39 and his 40-49 #s decreased, and he was futile from beyond the 50 at 1 for 5....the pack made the right move.
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I don't think I thought he was better than Crosby...by halfway through Crosby's rookie year, I think it was pretty obvious the right choice had been made. I figured we'd gone from a good kicker to a great kicker...and thought the good kicker would land somewhere else.
I remember the booming kickoffs, which were so welcome after Longwell. I guess I blanked any missed FG's from my mind!--
Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
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Ty can not discount or ignore his kickoffs...that is the subjective thing...booming..what about hangtime, etc. Not saying he was bad at that, at all.Originally posted by GuinessI don't think I thought he was better than Crosby...by halfway through Crosby's rookie year, I think it was pretty obvious the right choice had been made. I figured we'd gone from a good kicker to a great kicker...and thought the good kicker would land somewhere else.
I remember the booming kickoffs, which were so welcome after Longwell. I guess I blanked any missed FG's from my mind!
On a fully loaded team, I could see rayner just kicking off...i was hoping for the same thing for Hall of the badgers.
I forget who..but i remember a team having two kickers for that express reason....for some reason daluiso (sp?) comes up.
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Yeah, yer right Ty.Originally posted by Tyrone BiggunsTy can not discount or ignore his kickoffs...that is the subjective thing...booming..what about hangtime, etc. Not saying he was bad at that, at all.Originally posted by GuinessI don't think I thought he was better than Crosby...by halfway through Crosby's rookie year, I think it was pretty obvious the right choice had been made. I figured we'd gone from a good kicker to a great kicker...and thought the good kicker would land somewhere else.
I remember the booming kickoffs, which were so welcome after Longwell. I guess I blanked any missed FG's from my mind!
On a fully loaded team, I could see rayner just kicking off...i was hoping for the same thing for Hall of the badgers.
I forget who..but i remember a team having two kickers for that express reason....for some reason daluiso (sp?) comes up.
Indy just cut their "kick-off kicker" & will have Vinitieri do both jobs, to pick up the extra roster spot.
Several teams have used the 3 kicker approach.
Rayner has an unofficial record for hang-time recorded on a KO. He was an average kicker, but his kick-off hang time has probably done as much as anything towards him staying on rosters.
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3 kicker? I'm assuming you mean 2..or that 3 includes the punter.Originally posted by KYPackYeah, yer right Ty.Originally posted by Tyrone BiggunsTy can not discount or ignore his kickoffs...that is the subjective thing...booming..what about hangtime, etc. Not saying he was bad at that, at all.Originally posted by GuinessI don't think I thought he was better than Crosby...by halfway through Crosby's rookie year, I think it was pretty obvious the right choice had been made. I figured we'd gone from a good kicker to a great kicker...and thought the good kicker would land somewhere else.
I remember the booming kickoffs, which were so welcome after Longwell. I guess I blanked any missed FG's from my mind!
On a fully loaded team, I could see rayner just kicking off...i was hoping for the same thing for Hall of the badgers.
I forget who..but i remember a team having two kickers for that express reason....for some reason daluiso (sp?) comes up.
Indy just cut their "kick-off kicker" & will have Vinitieri do both jobs, to pick up the extra roster spot.
Several teams have used the 3 kicker approach.
Rayner has an unofficial record for hang-time recorded on a KO. He was an average kicker, but his kick-off hang time has probably done as much as anything towards him staying on rosters.
Or, you are on your 5th mint julep.
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3 KickersOriginally posted by Tyrone Bigguns3 kicker? I'm assuming you mean 2..or that 3 includes the punter.Originally posted by KYPackYeah, yer right Ty.Originally posted by Tyrone BiggunsTy can not discount or ignore his kickoffs...that is the subjective thing...booming..what about hangtime, etc. Not saying he was bad at that, at all.Originally posted by GuinessI don't think I thought he was better than Crosby...by halfway through Crosby's rookie year, I think it was pretty obvious the right choice had been made. I figured we'd gone from a good kicker to a great kicker...and thought the good kicker would land somewhere else.
I remember the booming kickoffs, which were so welcome after Longwell. I guess I blanked any missed FG's from my mind!
On a fully loaded team, I could see rayner just kicking off...i was hoping for the same thing for Hall of the badgers.
I forget who..but i remember a team having two kickers for that express reason....for some reason daluiso (sp?) comes up.
Indy just cut their "kick-off kicker" & will have Vinitieri do both jobs, to pick up the extra roster spot.
Several teams have used the 3 kicker approach.
Rayner has an unofficial record for hang-time recorded on a KO. He was an average kicker, but his kick-off hang time has probably done as much as anything towards him staying on rosters.
Or, you are on your 5th mint julep.
1. Punter
2. FG & XP
3. Kick-off specialist.
You always gotta be a smartass, er what?
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Originally posted by KYPackThe St Louis Rams move into the number 1 ex-Packer team position in this thread.
The Rams signed LB Paris Lenon and WR Ruvell Martin.
Last week, they signed S Anthony Smith
They are now a sister franchise with those two moves.
I'm a Ram Fan and after signing Smith I think they are spying on our boards !!!TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER
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I've never heard of the punter referred to as a kicker. Or, using the term kicker to describe both punters and kickers...as a general catchall. Maybe that is a southern thing, but i've never heard it.Originally posted by KYPack3 KickersOriginally posted by Tyrone Bigguns3 kicker? I'm assuming you mean 2..or that 3 includes the punter.Originally posted by KYPackYeah, yer right Ty.Originally posted by Tyrone BiggunsTy can not discount or ignore his kickoffs...that is the subjective thing...booming..what about hangtime, etc. Not saying he was bad at that, at all.Originally posted by GuinessI don't think I thought he was better than Crosby...by halfway through Crosby's rookie year, I think it was pretty obvious the right choice had been made. I figured we'd gone from a good kicker to a great kicker...and thought the good kicker would land somewhere else.
I remember the booming kickoffs, which were so welcome after Longwell. I guess I blanked any missed FG's from my mind!
On a fully loaded team, I could see rayner just kicking off...i was hoping for the same thing for Hall of the badgers.
I forget who..but i remember a team having two kickers for that express reason....for some reason daluiso (sp?) comes up.
Indy just cut their "kick-off kicker" & will have Vinitieri do both jobs, to pick up the extra roster spot.
Several teams have used the 3 kicker approach.
Rayner has an unofficial record for hang-time recorded on a KO. He was an average kicker, but his kick-off hang time has probably done as much as anything towards him staying on rosters.
Or, you are on your 5th mint julep.
1. Punter
2. FG & XP
3. Kick-off specialist.
You always gotta be a smartass, er what?
I said i assumed the 3 includes the punter. What part of being a smartass is that?
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