Excuses made for Packer Fans By Packer Fans

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz is not retarded.

Thanks.

[Deputy Nutz]

Why don't you PACKER fans jump all over Nutz for making an anti-packer messages like you do when posters make anti-Favre messages? Sad day when PACKERRATS has more people standing up for Favre and the Vikings then the packers.

In my opinion, most posters don't take anything Nutz posts as being meaningful. Its like the retarded son who occassionally speaks up. The conversation can be about cars and he suddetnly starts a speech about butterflies. Everyone respectfully listens, but what he says doesn't add to the conversation.

I hope you don't take anything I say serious, but yes there was a time when I was one of the most smartest poster in these parts, then Waldo came along and proved he has no life, even lesser of a sad life than I do.

I wonder what happened? I backed Favre so anything I ever have to say is now meaningless and full of BS. See I am not retarded.

Also there are not more people here in the support of Favre. I know I have read a lot of there work. I am one of the sad lone wolves.

[Spaulding]

Why don't you PACKER fans jump all over Nutz for making an anti-packer messages like you do when posters make anti-Favre messages? Sad day when PACKERRATS has more people standing up for Favre and the Vikings then the packers.

In my opinion, most posters don't take anything Nutz posts as being meaningful. Its like the retarded son who occassionally speaks up. The conversation can be about cars and he suddetnly starts a speech about butterflies. Everyone respectfully listens, but what he says doesn't add to the conversation.

I hope you don't take anything I say serious, but yes there was a time when I was one of the most smartest poster in these parts, then Waldo came along and proved he has no life, even lesser of a sad life than I do.

I wonder what happened? I backed Favre so anything I ever have to say is now meaningless and full of BS. See I am not retarded.

Also there are not more people here in the support of Favre. I know I have read a lot of there work. I am one of the sad lone wolves.

Maybe I'm off here but I think the basis for all the bickering is whether you like Favre or not, he now plays for a team that is playing the Packers on Monday night. You can still like Favre but if you side with him and Vikings over the Packers it suggests you're not a Packers fan but a Favre fan who happend to wear green and gold for sixteen years.

[Deputy Nutz]

Why don't you PACKER fans jump all over Nutz for making an anti-packer messages like you do when posters make anti-Favre messages? Sad day when PACKERRATS has more people standing up for Favre and the Vikings then the packers.

Look, nutz and skin are bat shit crazy, but smart as well. They are all about shock value and if you give it to them you are stooping to their level. He posted this to incite, and by responding rationally we are driving him much crazier than if we were to call him names.

Think Howard Stern, you won't win a game of insults in the gutter, he is the master at it, but if you logically point out the truth, it hurts much more.

Nutz, I hope the packers win, and win big. I hope you come around and become a packer fan again. I'll never convince you that BF is the villain in this, but I have seen him rip up a check at a restaurant at 3am and throw it and 2 20's at the waitress. I have known the real BF since somewhere around 1996. I DON'T know what TT is all about, but I have a good feel on it. I'll back TT vs. BF in a beef every time cuz one is acting like a spoiled kid and the other is calmly moving forward with what he thinks is best.

I can see why you back BF in this because in beef after beef you come across as a spoiled little kid that was never told no as a child. When you don't get your way you start threads like this one. I'm not going to dig up your one man march on the war against homophobes back in the day, but the "homophobes" as you described them were being rational and reasonable. You were not. If I really want to hurt you I'll point out that you and JH act a lot alike when you get an agenda. I like JH as well as you when you aren't being vitriolic and going for shock, but I'll never defend either of you. Even though I personally agreed with your point of view back then for the most part I would have never backed you and your antics. In this case I don't back your side of the debate or your antics.

There ya go boss, was this sufficient for you?

You saw Favre throw a check at someone so now you know the real Favre? Okay. I can see how that leaves a permanent impression on someone, I would think of the guy as a horses ass if I saw that. For as many shitty things Favre has done in his private life I am sure he has done twice as many good things outside of football as well. Which your story brings up a good point, maybe we shouldn't judge these guys and make them our role models because of how dynamic they are on the field, maybe we should just enjoy the 3 hours of them on the field and leave it at that. Brett Favre certainly doesn't have the worst character of any player in the NFL, but he also probably doesn't have the best either. I understand that he is what he is and the bottom line is, I have never seen a QB at any level do the things that he has done with a football.

Now the part in red. You don't know me outside of this forum, so bringing up my childhood should have nothing to do with this discussion. Again you don't know anything about me so that line is B.S.

[Deputy Nutz]

Why don't you PACKER fans jump all over Nutz for making an anti-packer messages like you do when posters make anti-Favre messages? Sad day when PACKERRATS has more people standing up for Favre and the Vikings then the packers.

In my opinion, most posters don't take anything Nutz posts as being meaningful. Its like the retarded son who occassionally speaks up. The conversation can be about cars and he suddetnly starts a speech about butterflies. Everyone respectfully listens, but what he says doesn't add to the conversation.

I hope you don't take anything I say serious, but yes there was a time when I was one of the most smartest poster in these parts, then Waldo came along and proved he has no life, even lesser of a sad life than I do.

I wonder what happened? I backed Favre so anything I ever have to say is now meaningless and full of BS. See I am not retarded.

Also there are not more people here in the support of Favre. I know I have read a lot of there work. I am one of the sad lone wolves.

Maybe I'm off here but I think the basis for all the bickering is whether you like Favre or not, he now plays for a team that is playing the Packers on Monday night. You can still like Favre but if you side with him and Vikings over the Packers it suggests you're not a Packers fan but a Favre fan who happend to wear green and gold for sixteen years.

Like I said, I like most of the players in Green Bay, I like football that is played in Green Bay. I do not like the coach or the General Manager and at this point I don't much care for the team president either. Basically what all this comotion over the past year or so has done is free me from my Packer homerism. I still enjoy watching the Packers but for different reasons. I am just fine when the win, and not nearly as shitty as I used to be when they lost. when they lose now, I can turn off the tv and go to bed or go do something else. It doesn't ruin my day one bit.

Now for Favre. I decided never to bet against him. I respect him and enjoy him too much as a player to ever root against him.

[Spaulding]

Why don't you PACKER fans jump all over Nutz for making an anti-packer messages like you do when posters make anti-Favre messages? Sad day when PACKERRATS has more people standing up for Favre and the Vikings then the packers.

In my opinion, most posters don't take anything Nutz posts as being meaningful. Its like the retarded son who occassionally speaks up. The conversation can be about cars and he suddetnly starts a speech about butterflies. Everyone respectfully listens, but what he says doesn't add to the conversation.

I hope you don't take anything I say serious, but yes there was a time when I was one of the most smartest poster in these parts, then Waldo came along and proved he has no life, even lesser of a sad life than I do.

I wonder what happened? I backed Favre so anything I ever have to say is now meaningless and full of BS. See I am not retarded.

Also there are not more people here in the support of Favre. I know I have read a lot of there work. I am one of the sad lone wolves.

Maybe I'm off here but I think the basis for all the bickering is whether you like Favre or not, he now plays for a team that is playing the Packers on Monday night. You can still like Favre but if you side with him and Vikings over the Packers it suggests you're not a Packers fan but a Favre fan who happend to wear green and gold for sixteen years.

Like I said, I like most of the players in Green Bay, I like football that is played in Green Bay. I do not like the coach or the General Manager and at this point I don't much care for the team president either. Basically what all this comotion over the past year or so has done is free me from my Packer homerism. I still enjoy watching the Packers but for different reasons. I am just fine when the win, and not nearly as shitty as I used to be when they lost. when they lose now, I can turn off the tv and go to bed or go do something else. It doesn't ruin my day one bit.

Now for Favre. I decided never to bet against him. I respect him and enjoy him too much as a player to ever root against him.

Appreciate the perspective although my slant is slightly different. Your views make more sense to me to now.

[bobblehead]

Why don't you PACKER fans jump all over Nutz for making an anti-packer messages like you do when posters make anti-Favre messages? Sad day when PACKERRATS has more people standing up for Favre and the Vikings then the packers.

Look, nutz and skin are bat shit crazy, but smart as well. They are all about shock value and if you give it to them you are stooping to their level. He posted this to incite, and by responding rationally we are driving him much crazier than if we were to call him names.

Think Howard Stern, you won't win a game of insults in the gutter, he is the master at it, but if you logically point out the truth, it hurts much more.

Nutz, I hope the packers win, and win big. I hope you come around and become a packer fan again. I'll never convince you that BF is the villain in this, but I have seen him rip up a check at a restaurant at 3am and throw it and 2 20's at the waitress. I have known the real BF since somewhere around 1996. I DON'T know what TT is all about, but I have a good feel on it. I'll back TT vs. BF in a beef every time cuz one is acting like a spoiled kid and the other is calmly moving forward with what he thinks is best.

I can see why you back BF in this because in beef after beef you come across as a spoiled little kid that was never told no as a child. When you don't get your way you start threads like this one. I'm not going to dig up your one man march on the war against homophobes back in the day, but the "homophobes" as you described them were being rational and reasonable. You were not. If I really want to hurt you I'll point out that you and JH act a lot alike when you get an agenda. I like JH as well as you when you aren't being vitriolic and going for shock, but I'll never defend either of you. Even though I personally agreed with your point of view back then for the most part I would have never backed you and your antics. In this case I don't back your side of the debate or your antics.

There ya go boss, was this sufficient for you?

You saw Favre throw a check at someone so now you know the real Favre? Okay. I can see how that leaves a permanent impression on someone, I would think of the guy as a horses ass if I saw that. For as many shitty things Favre has done in his private life I am sure he has done twice as many good things outside of football as well. Which your story brings up a good point, maybe we shouldn't judge these guys and make them our role models because of how dynamic they are on the field, maybe we should just enjoy the 3 hours of them on the field and leave it at that. Brett Favre certainly doesn't have the worst character of any player in the NFL, but he also probably doesn't have the best either. I understand that he is what he is and the bottom line is, I have never seen a QB at any level do the things that he has done with a football.

Now the part in red. You don't know me outside of this forum, so bringing up my childhood should have nothing to do with this discussion. Again you don't know anything about me so that line is B.S.

you are right, I don't know you, I can only guess. I said you come across that way at times, I've had people say I come across as arrogant, or something to that effect. I'll own that as I am sure I do. I would bet you are a ton of fun to get drunk with, watch a game with ect., and I'm not judging you overall, only as a poster. Sometimes you can light up that fire and people are going to react negatively.

I don't discount anything you say, like I said, you are very smart, no denying it. Sometimes the shit you and skin post make me bust out laughing. "Charles woodson has so much balls he burns them just for the funny smell as other players watch in watery eyed envy" or something like that...classic funny shit. I have had friends very much like you from college so your style doesn't really offend me and when I say you come across a certain way I'm not saying I don't like you. All I'm saying is that if you start a thread declaring you hope the vikings trounce the pack on Monday night football you gotta see how some might be seriously put off. You also gotta understand why people get pissy.

[Partial]

Smart football opinions are disregarded around here when they aren't 100% huge homers who love the Packers and every move they make.

Nutz is a smart guy who played a lot of football. His comments around here are second to none. I don't necessarily think having the time to look up millions of stats makes you know football.

I think these personally attacks are bush league. Did Nutz attack anyone? As far as I know, no, so it is completely out of the blue and unnecessary.

[Spaulding]

Smart football opinions are disregarded around here when they aren't 100% huge homers who love the Packers and every move they make.

Nutz is a smart guy who played a lot of football. His comments around here are second to none. I don't necessarily think having the time to look up millions of stats makes you know football.

I think these personally attacks are bush league. Did Nutz attack anyone? As far as I know, no, so it is completely out of the blue and unnecessary.

I agree,personal attacks are bullshit but I'm surprised when you start a post out the way you do. What is "smart?" The only people i view as smart are the ones that back up their posts with facts and the logic behind those facts.

Being a fan and being a homer sometimes are the same thing, sometimes they aren't. But I don't think anybody on this forum that is considered a "homer" is "100%" happy with everything that occurs.

[Partial]

Smart football opinions are disregarded around here when they aren't 100% huge homers who love the Packers and every move they make.

Nutz is a smart guy who played a lot of football. His comments around here are second to none. I don't necessarily think having the time to look up millions of stats makes you know football.

I think these personally attacks are bush league. Did Nutz attack anyone? As far as I know, no, so it is completely out of the blue and unnecessary.

I agree,personal attacks are bullshit but I'm surprised when you start a post out the way you do. What is "smart?" The only people i view as smart are the ones that back up their posts with facts and the logic behind those facts.

Being a fan and being a homer sometimes are the same thing, sometimes they aren't. But I don't think anybody on this forum that is considered a "homer" is "100%" happy with everything that occurs.

Statistics don't always back up a point. This isn't a math class. We don't need to prove anything. If we want to get into an argument of providing formal proof, rarely does anyone achieve that here.

The "Facts" do not always match the facts, imo.

With that said, if you go against the grain here, you get personally attacked and ridiculed. It isn't right.

[SkinBasket]

Maybe we should just start a new section on the forum where all you pussies can just talk about your feelings so we can keep these threads football related. Admin could make some extra money with some estrogen replacement pill ads. All of this discussion about personal attacks is lame and uncalled for and all the complaining about who's offended who is completely out of hand and is offensive.

[Spaulding]

Smart football opinions are disregarded around here when they aren't 100% huge homers who love the Packers and every move they make.

Nutz is a smart guy who played a lot of football. His comments around here are second to none. I don't necessarily think having the time to look up millions of stats makes you know football.

I think these personally attacks are bush league. Did Nutz attack anyone? As far as I know, no, so it is completely out of the blue and unnecessary.

I agree,personal attacks are bullshit but I'm surprised when you start a post out the way you do. What is "smart?" The only people i view as smart are the ones that back up their posts with facts and the logic behind those facts.

Being a fan and being a homer sometimes are the same thing, sometimes they aren't. But I don't think anybody on this forum that is considered a "homer" is "100%" happy with everything that occurs.

Statistics don't always back up a point. This isn't a math class. We don't need to prove anything. If we want to get into an argument of providing formal proof, rarely does anyone achieve that here.

The "Facts" do not always match the facts, imo.

With that said, if you go against the grain here, you get personally attacked and ridiculed. It isn't right.

Agree in that facts can be slanted or manipulated to prove a point but if at least some logic isn't used, it's just a personal opinion battle.

If that's the case, you shouldn't talk down to those that share a different view point and debate on civil terms and things wouldn't degenerate into name calling or personal attacks.

[Administrator]

Partial - It really irritates me that I have to weigh in on things like this.

I have no problems with Nutz's thread. I have almost no problem with the "comedic" anti nutz thread, except for the unnecessary use of the "Favre Cult" term. Bretsky called it when he said that was "bush league". It is. The rest of the thread was a parody that I have no problem with.

And that's really the point. You started your post with fighting words.

Smart football opinions are disregarded around here when they aren't 100% huge homers who love the Packers and every move they make.

Nutz got a couple of minor attacks. He responded, WITHOUT attacking, probably because he knew his opinions were in the minority and, that his statements were controversial during Viking week.

Your statements were again divisive, argumentative, and pot stirring. Please refrain from these types of comments. I recognize you feel picked on and ganged up against, but much of that is your own making. When you tone it down, others will also.

I'm leaving this thread alone for now as most have been respectful, even in their disagreement.

[pbmax]

Disagree with Admin that the thread title was an attack, as by the message inside, Shadow was clearly kidding. But I respect that he saw that it was humorous and let it go.

[Deputy Nutz]

Maybe we should just start a new section on the forum where all you pussies can just talk about your feelings so we can keep these threads football related. Admin could make some extra money with some estrogen replacement pill ads. All of this discussion about personal attacks is lame and uncalled for and all the complaining about who's offended who is completely out of hand and is offensive.

Now I am offended. It is really going to be tough allowing you to by me 4.00 dollar Svedka Vodkas tomorrow night.

I personally love personal attacks. I like the juice, I like the spicy flavor.