Players that have to go

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These players suck and have to go:

1. Brandon Jackson
2. DeShawn Wynn
3. Korey Hall
4. Mike Montgomery
5. Justin Harrell
6. Patrick Lee
7. Brian Brohm
8. AJ Hawk
9. Derrick Martin
10. Jarett Bush

These guys have all done next to nothing to show they belong. I really hope they consider turning over these players on the roster as soon as possible. Most are oft-injured or just all-around poor.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Players that have to go

Great insights.

[packers11]

Re: Players that have to go

These players suck and have to go:

1. Brandon Jackson
2. DeShawn Wynn
3. Korey Hall
4. Mike Montgomery
5. Justin Harrell
6. Patrick Lee
7. Brian Brohm
8. AJ Hawk
9. Derrick Martin
10. Jarett Bush

1. Don't agree... I would still give him another season #3 RB say the least...
2. Agree
3. Agree
4. Agree, I don't think he fits the 3-4 well
5. One more season, if he gets hurt again just dump him (to much time invested not to give one more season a try)
6. Don't agree at all. Lee is still a project, next season should be a good indicator on how far he has progressed.
7. Hes on the PS? Why would you want to dump him?
8.Don't agree. Hawk is servicable and adds depth to the 3-4 linebackers. With a ton of cap room and no cap next year anyway, mine as well keep him.
9. Agree, after this season they should look for more safety help.
10. Agree, this guy some how sticks to the roster yet makes so many dumb mistakes (Carroll JR)

Partial , I'm surprised you didn't have Rodgers on the list as well

[Lurker64]

Derick Martin, we should certainly look to upgrade him, but get rid of him? Nah. We're already terribly thin at safety. He's not worse than perennial backup safety Charlie Peprah.

Hawk? No reason to dump him. He's our best ILB in the base D, he just doesn't see much play when we're in the nickel the whole game. It's not going to be easy to upgrade that position to the point where Hawk won't make the roster.

Harrell's on his last chance, if he can get healthy and play next year he sticks. It's costing the Packers virtually nothing to keep him this year. It's next year that could be pricey, but you have to give him a chance to show up at TC and see if he can play with his back.

Jarrett Bush is one of the premier gunners in the league. He commits some stupid penalties on special teams, but that's correctable. He's useless as a defensive back, but his special teams play absolutely merits a roster spot.

Pat Lee's a project, and he's on IR anyway. You have to at least give him next TC. Certainly we're going to be looking for talent at his position, as we're sort of thin behind the silverbacks.

Brohm, D. Wynn, and Montgomery are pretty worthless. Hall's a decent receiver for a FB, but we're not going to keep 3 forever. I wouldn't be sad if all four of those guys were cut tomorrow.

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Derick Martin, we should certainly look to upgrade him, but get rid of him? Nah. We're already terribly thin at safety. He's not worse than perennial backup safety Charlie Peprah.

Hawk? No reason to dump him. He's our best ILB in the base D, he just doesn't see much play when we're in the nickel the whole game. It's not going to be easy to upgrade that position to the point where Hawk won't make the roster.

Harrell's on his last chance, if he can get healthy and play next year he sticks. It's costing the Packers virtually nothing to keep him this year. It's next year that could be pricey, but you have to give him a chance to show up at TC and see if he can play with his back.

Jarrett Bush is one of the premier gunners in the league. He commits some stupid penalties on special teams, but that's correctable. He's useless as a defensive back, but his special teams play absolutely merits a roster spot.

Pat Lee's a project, and he's on IR anyway. You have to at least give him next TC. Certainly we're going to be looking for talent at his position, as we're sort of thin behind the silverbacks.

Brohm, D. Wynn, and Montgomery are pretty worthless. Hall's a decent receiver for a FB, but we're not going to keep 3 forever. I wouldn't be sad if all four of those guys were cut tomorrow.

They need to bring in competition weekly and start pushing these players or get rid of them. Some of these guys have no business in the NFL. Obviously you can't replace them without a suitable player, but you need to bring in competition daily until you find someone.

Hawk is not our best linebacker. He's only on the team because of what he's paid and will likely not be back next year. He is just a guy and doesn't make any plays. Tough to lose face by cutting a #5 pick.

Harrell is only still around because you're right, he costs next to nothing on IR.

Bush has been next to useless on special teams this year getting penalties and acting a fool. I was a Bush fan for awhile but his shiz is stale.

Pat Lee was a project last year and was a disappointment this year. He's not going to be a player. Had he not got hurt, he would have only made the roster on merit of draft status, thats it.

If any of these guys are on the roster without a huge showing in camp next year, I will be extremely disappointed as they are all horrible football players in the sense that they are either A) unavailable or B) lacking any talent whatsoever

[sharpe1027]

They need to bring in competition weekly and start pushing these players.

I would put every player on the roster in this category. Bert doesn't agree with that, but I do.

[SkinBasket]

Hawk is not our best linebacker. He's only on the team because of what he's paid and will likely not be back next year. He is just a guy and doesn't make any plays. Tough to lose face by cutting a #5 pick.

Have you seen some our linebackers play? Maybe you don't remember what a poor LB can do to a team. Sure, you can make the case that he isn't out there making plays on a level you would have hoped from a #5 pick, but his negativeness are limited, and assuming he progresses no further than he is today, you still keep a guy like that until you have something better. Something better than a solid starter isn't going to fall into our laps. You don't just cut him because he didn't live up to fan expectations as the 5th overall pick despite the fact he's a solid player. You cut him because he gets beat out and despite your fanboy raging hard-on about Bishop, he's not a serviceable starter there.

they are all horrible football players in the sense that they are either A) unavailable or B) lacking any talent whatsoever

That's a bit of hyperbole. Except in the case of Bush. People still cling to this notion, like they do that Bigby is a hard hitter, that Bush is some kind of special teams ace. He isn't. How many plays has he made this season? How many plays does he make in any given season. Good plays I mean. The best argument I've heard in his favor is that he demands a double team. Well whooptie-do. That would mean something if he were able to make a tackle every game or two. As it is, it just means he flaps his arms around a lot as he runs ineffectively down field.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This thread and list pretty much show a complete lack of understanding of the NFL and building a team.

[sheepshead]

Re: Players that have to go

These players suck and have to go:

1. Brandon Jackson
2. DeShawn Wynn
3. Korey Hall
4. Mike Montgomery
5. Justin Harrell
6. Patrick Lee
7. Brian Brohm
8. AJ Hawk
9. Derrick Martin
10. Jarett Bush
11. Aaron Rodgers
These guys have all done next to nothing to show they belong. I really hope they consider turning over these players on the roster as soon as possible. Most are oft-injured or just all-around poor.

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[Cheesehead Craig]

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Hawk is not our best linebacker. He's only on the team because of what he's paid and will likely not be back next year. He is just a guy and doesn't make any plays. Tough to lose face by cutting a #5 pick.

Have you seen some our linebackers play? Maybe you don't remember what a poor LB can do to a team. Sure, you can make the case that he isn't out there making plays on a level you would have hoped from a #5 pick, but his negativeness are limited, and assuming he progresses no further than he is today, you still keep a guy like that until you have something better. Something better than a solid starter isn't going to fall into our laps. You don't just cut him because he didn't live up to fan expectations as the 5th overall pick despite the fact he's a solid player. You cut him because he gets beat out and despite your fanboy raging hard-on about Bishop, he's not a serviceable starter there.

they are all horrible football players in the sense that they are either A) unavailable or B) lacking any talent whatsoever

That's a bit of hyperbole. Except in the case of Bush. People still cling to this notion, like they do that Bigby is a hard hitter, that Bush is some kind of special teams ace. He isn't. How many plays has he made this season? How many plays does he make in any given season. Good plays I mean. The best argument I've heard in his favor is that he demands a double team. Well whooptie-do. That would mean something if he were able to make a tackle every game or two. As it is, it just means he flaps his arms around a lot as he runs ineffectively down field.

Hawk is a liability in my opinion in the 3-4. We need guys who will make plays and create, otherwise our defense will simply be average at best. Hawk is making too much money to be the type of guy that he is. I don't suspect he will be back with the Pack certainly after his contract expires if they elect to keep him. In my mind, though, they'll cut him. Since he's only playing in run downs, I suspect that Bishop can easily fill that role. From Moss' comments about how he'd be "shocked" if the Pack let Bishop get away, it sounds like they think the same.

I agree on Bush. He needs to go. Some of those guys have talent but aren't available. Talent doesn't do any good at all on the sidelines. In fact, it's worse to keep a great player who can play one or two games a season than it is to keep an average guy who can play 16 in my opinion.

[Brandon494]

Re: Players that have to go

These players suck and have to go:

1. Brandon Jackson- Averages 4.3 yards per carry and is only 24, give him another year to see if he can stay healthy.
2. DeShawn Wynn- I was high on Wynn during his rookie season but he has looked really slow the few times I've seen him in the backfield this season. Averages 5.2 yards per carry for his career but I do believe we should let him go.
3. Korey Hall- Would rather keep Hall over Kuhn, Hall adds more to special teams being a LB in college. Did you not see the hit he put on Percy Harvin during the kickoff return?
4. Mike Montgomery- agreed, does not fit the 3-4
5. Justin Harrell- agreed
6. Patrick Lee- Has not shown much but would atleast hang on to him until next season, maybe try him out at safety?
7. Brian Brohm- way too early to give up on Brohm, besides he is on the P.S.
8. AJ Hawk- I would trade Hawk in a minute for some OL help but it would be foolish to just release him.
9. Derrick Martin- agreed
10. Jarett Bush-agreed

These guys have all done next to nothing to show they belong. I really hope they consider turning over these players on the roster as soon as possible. Most are oft-injured or just all-around poor.

[SkinBasket]

All I can say is that if you somehow think Hawk is a liability out there, you must not be watching Barnett, Chillar, or Poppinga play.

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All I can say is that if you somehow think Hawk is a liability out there, you must not be watching Barnett, Chillar, or Poppinga play.

Hawk is such a liability that they won't let him play compared to Barnett or Chillar. Poppinga is not great either and as a result doesn't play much anymore.

[Lurker64]

Hawk is our best run stopping LB and he's adequate in pass coverage, so he plays in the base defense. In specialty packages (like the nickel), he is taken off the field because he is neither our best blitzer nor our best coverage backer. The specialists are the guys who go in the specialty packages, and Hawk isn't special at anything. He is, however, above-average to very good at pretty much everything you'd ask an inside linebacker to do.