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  • #16
    Originally posted by Lurker64
    Hawk is our best run stopping LB and he's adequate in pass coverage, so he plays in the base defense. In specialty packages (like the nickel), he is taken off the field because he is neither our best blitzer nor our best coverage backer. The specialists are the guys who go in the specialty packages, and Hawk isn't special at anything. He is, however, above-average to very good at pretty much everything you'd ask an inside linebacker to do.
    If he is our best run stopping LB, then why has he barely been on the field the past two games? Sure, they play a lot of nickel, but surely they are concerned about stopping the run as well...

    I disagree with this notion. When has Hawk had a tackle for a loss? I cannot remember the last time I've seen one they're so infrequent. Matthews had two last week in addition to sacks if I remember correctly.

    He isn't very good or he would be on the field more. Ray Lewis is old, slow and not great in coverage but he doesn't leave the field, for example.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Lurker64
      Hawk is our best run stopping LB and he's adequate in pass coverage, so he plays in the base defense. In specialty packages (like the nickel), he is taken off the field because he is neither our best blitzer nor our best coverage backer. The specialists are the guys who go in the specialty packages, and Hawk isn't special at anything. He is, however, above-average to very good at pretty much everything you'd ask an inside linebacker to do.
      Just my opinion, but I think Hawk is actually our most assignment sure linebacker in coverage. I think Chillar is better in man coverage, but he is actually to stupid to play zone worth a shit.

      Chilllar also gets the nod in the nickel because at one point in the first game of the season he sacked the QB. Haven't seen shit since.

      Partial, stop reading the papers, listening to WSSP and basing your opinion only on those secondary sources. Try watching the game.

      Hawk isn't playing like a top 5 player picked in a draft. Chad Greenway in Minnesota is playing a hell of a lot better. This switch to the 3-4 has put several of our defensive players in a position without a position.

      Also, if I don't see improvement in our inside linebackers and linebackers in general I think it is time for Winston Moss to take a hike.

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      • #18
        Hawk does not sack the QB and he does not blow up RBs in the backfield for negative yardage. This is an obvious sign that he is a shitty LB and should be cut immediately in favor of giving more playing time to a more talented LB like Desmond Bishop.
        "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
          Originally posted by Lurker64
          Hawk is our best run stopping LB and he's adequate in pass coverage, so he plays in the base defense. In specialty packages (like the nickel), he is taken off the field because he is neither our best blitzer nor our best coverage backer. The specialists are the guys who go in the specialty packages, and Hawk isn't special at anything. He is, however, above-average to very good at pretty much everything you'd ask an inside linebacker to do.
          Just my opinion, but I think Hawk is actually our most assignment sure linebacker in coverage. I think Chillar is better in man coverage, but he is actually to stupid to play zone worth a shit.

          Chilllar also gets the nod in the nickel because at one point in the first game of the season he sacked the QB. Haven't seen shit since.

          Partial, stop reading the papers, listening to WSSP and basing your opinion only on those secondary sources. Try watching the game.

          Hawk isn't playing like a top 5 player picked in a draft. Chad Greenway in Minnesota is playing a hell of a lot better. This switch to the 3-4 has put several of our defensive players in a position without a position.

          Also, if I don't see improvement in our inside linebackers and linebackers in general I think it is time for Winston Moss to take a hike.
          I take away from the game that they have little faith in Hawk as they don't play him much anymore.

          Hawk has had fewer impact plays than just about any starter on the team. This is a pressure, big play defense. I just cannot see them keeping the beast on the sidelines while they keep playing the brawny man.

          I do trust a lot of what I hear from WSSP because former pros know a bit more than most of the people posting here.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig
            There goes a good plate of knakwurst.
            C.H.U.D.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Partial
              I take away from the game that they have little faith in Hawk as they don't play him much anymore.
              Its a little late in the development of the NFL for you not to understand situational substitution.

              Perhaps the fact that by your reasoning Fred Dean, Hacksaw Reynolds, Calvin Hill and Charles Haley were liabilities and frauds might cause you to reconsider the usefulness of a player who can do specific things very well.
              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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              • #22
                How about "Posters that have to go"?
                Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Partial
                  Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
                  Originally posted by Lurker64
                  Hawk is our best run stopping LB and he's adequate in pass coverage, so he plays in the base defense. In specialty packages (like the nickel), he is taken off the field because he is neither our best blitzer nor our best coverage backer. The specialists are the guys who go in the specialty packages, and Hawk isn't special at anything. He is, however, above-average to very good at pretty much everything you'd ask an inside linebacker to do.
                  Just my opinion, but I think Hawk is actually our most assignment sure linebacker in coverage. I think Chillar is better in man coverage, but he is actually to stupid to play zone worth a shit.

                  Chilllar also gets the nod in the nickel because at one point in the first game of the season he sacked the QB. Haven't seen shit since.

                  Partial, stop reading the papers, listening to WSSP and basing your opinion only on those secondary sources. Try watching the game.

                  Hawk isn't playing like a top 5 player picked in a draft. Chad Greenway in Minnesota is playing a hell of a lot better. This switch to the 3-4 has put several of our defensive players in a position without a position.

                  Also, if I don't see improvement in our inside linebackers and linebackers in general I think it is time for Winston Moss to take a hike.
                  I take away from the game that they have little faith in Hawk as they don't play him much anymore.

                  Hawk has had fewer impact plays than just about any starter on the team. This is a pressure, big play defense. I just cannot see them keeping the beast on the sidelines while they keep playing the brawny man.

                  I do trust a lot of what I hear from WSSP because former pros know a bit more than most of the people posting here.
                  Matt Millen!

                  Michael Irvin!
                  "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                  KYPack

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by sheepshead
                    How about "Posters that have to go"?
                    how about if you keep this kind of stuff up, I start with you?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Administrator
                      Originally posted by sheepshead
                      How about "Posters that have to go"?
                      how about if you keep this kind of stuff up, I start with you?
                      Fuck, even i'm not dumb enough to give you that kind of ammo.

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                      • #26
                        I hope the thought police aren't around, cause I know what I was thinkin'
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                        Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Partial
                          Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
                          Originally posted by Lurker64
                          Hawk is our best run stopping LB and he's adequate in pass coverage, so he plays in the base defense. In specialty packages (like the nickel), he is taken off the field because he is neither our best blitzer nor our best coverage backer. The specialists are the guys who go in the specialty packages, and Hawk isn't special at anything. He is, however, above-average to very good at pretty much everything you'd ask an inside linebacker to do.
                          Just my opinion, but I think Hawk is actually our most assignment sure linebacker in coverage. I think Chillar is better in man coverage, but he is actually to stupid to play zone worth a shit.

                          Chilllar also gets the nod in the nickel because at one point in the first game of the season he sacked the QB. Haven't seen shit since.

                          Partial, stop reading the papers, listening to WSSP and basing your opinion only on those secondary sources. Try watching the game.

                          Hawk isn't playing like a top 5 player picked in a draft. Chad Greenway in Minnesota is playing a hell of a lot better. This switch to the 3-4 has put several of our defensive players in a position without a position.

                          Also, if I don't see improvement in our inside linebackers and linebackers in general I think it is time for Winston Moss to take a hike.
                          I take away from the game that they have little faith in Hawk as they don't play him much anymore.

                          Hawk has had fewer impact plays than just about any starter on the team. This is a pressure, big play defense. I just cannot see them keeping the beast on the sidelines while they keep playing the brawny man.

                          I do trust a lot of what I hear from WSSP because former pros know a bit more than most of the people posting here.
                          If Bishop were really that great don't you think he would get any snaps
                          Go PACK

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Partial
                            Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
                            Originally posted by Lurker64
                            Hawk is our best run stopping LB and he's adequate in pass coverage, so he plays in the base defense. In specialty packages (like the nickel), he is taken off the field because he is neither our best blitzer nor our best coverage backer. The specialists are the guys who go in the specialty packages, and Hawk isn't special at anything. He is, however, above-average to very good at pretty much everything you'd ask an inside linebacker to do.
                            Just my opinion, but I think Hawk is actually our most assignment sure linebacker in coverage. I think Chillar is better in man coverage, but he is actually to stupid to play zone worth a shit.

                            Chilllar also gets the nod in the nickel because at one point in the first game of the season he sacked the QB. Haven't seen shit since.

                            Partial, stop reading the papers, listening to WSSP and basing your opinion only on those secondary sources. Try watching the game.

                            Hawk isn't playing like a top 5 player picked in a draft. Chad Greenway in Minnesota is playing a hell of a lot better. This switch to the 3-4 has put several of our defensive players in a position without a position.

                            Also, if I don't see improvement in our inside linebackers and linebackers in general I think it is time for Winston Moss to take a hike.
                            I take away from the game that they have little faith in Hawk as they don't play him much anymore.

                            Hawk has had fewer impact plays than just about any starter on the team. This is a pressure, big play defense. I just cannot see them keeping the beast on the sidelines while they keep playing the brawny man.

                            I do trust a lot of what I hear from WSSP because former pros know a bit more than most of the people posting here.
                            I actually coached with Gary Ellerson, and coached his son when he was a freshman. Nothing Gary Ellerson ever came up with or said about football was ground breaking. He like any pro has the insight about lockerroom type stuff, relates to what the players are going through, that type of stuff, but as far as getting his opinion about play on the field, or play design I will find another ex-pro's opinion before I label Gary Ellerson's opinion as the bible.

                            Leroy Butler, let me know when he finally lands that job as an assistant coach in the pros.

                            Next who says that every player on this defense has to be dynamic and make Earth shattering play after play after play? If that is the case cut Pickett's fat ass right now, but guess what? He has a role and he fills it just fine. I am certainly not saying that I am excited about the play of Hawk, but I am certainly telling you that the play of Chillar, and Barnett have much more to be desired, neither one of them can be termed a "playmaker" at this point of the season.

                            How many touchdown passes has Hawk given up this year? I can count at least 3 that Chillar has given up and I know of at least one for Barnett where Favre fucked him like a hooker in a school girl outfit.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
                              I know of at least one for Barnett where Favre fucked him like a hooker in a school girl outfit.
                              Nutz, you have a rare talent for pithy observations.

                              Why you aren't providing the color on Monday Night Football is a mystery to me.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Fritz
                                Originally posted by Partial



                                I take away from the game that they have little faith in Hawk as they don't play him much anymore.

                                Hawk has had fewer impact plays than just about any starter on the team. This is a pressure, big play defense. I just cannot see them keeping the beast on the sidelines while they keep playing the brawny man.

                                I do trust a lot of what I hear from WSSP because former pros know a bit more than most of the people posting here.
                                Matt Millen!

                                Michael Irvin!
                                Irvin can't even put a sentence together much less analyze anything. I would trust Patler or KY over any of 'em!
                                "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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