And you all thought Ryan Grant sucked...

[channtheman]

Rk Name/ Team Att Yds Avg TD Long Fumbles 100-YdGms
1 Cedric Benson, Cin 164 720 4.39 5 28 1 3
2 Adrian Peterson, Min 138 687 4.98 8 64 2 2
3 Steven Jackson, StL 143 635 4.44 0 58 2 3
4 Thomas Jones, NYJ 122 602 4.93 7 71 2 3
5 Chris Johnson, Ten 95 596 6.27 2 91 1 2
6 Ryan Grant, GB 118 495 4.19 3 37 0 1

Grant is 6th in the league in rushing after 6 games. It's amazing what a good game can do for you. Actually looking at those stats it says Grant hasn't fumbled but his fumble in the Cincy game was costly. Maybe they are incorrect.

[Packgator]

Re: And you all thought Ryan Grant sucked...

Grant is 6th in the league in rushing after 6 games.

Packers with the # 6 RB (yards). The # 2 rated QB (rating). The # 5 defense (pts. per game). Throw in # 8 offense (pts. per game) and I'd say those are some pretty impressive stats in four big time categories.

[Partial]

Does anyone else find that as eye-opening as I do? Grant does suck, and I feel like he hasn't gotten many shots up until this week.

I guess this is a good thing. He ran hard this weekend and if that continues going forward it will alleviate a lot of our offensive woes.

[Guiness]

I'm not knocking Grant - I feel he's a slightly above average back. But in the last two weeks, the slugging was comparatively easy. Detroit had OL playing DL for lack of bodies, and Cleveland, was, well, Cleveland.

I don't think you can look at his numbers and say he's a top 10 back right now.

[sharpe1027]

Having almost no carries by any other back is part of the reason our running game seems poor, but Grant's numbers are still decent. Also, one big game really helps.

[ThunderDan]

Re: And you all thought Ryan Grant sucked...

Rk Name/ Team Att Yds Avg TD Long Fumbles 100-YdGms
1 Cedric Benson, Cin 164 720 4.39 5 28 1 3
2 Adrian Peterson, Min 138 687 4.98 8 64 2 2
3 Steven Jackson, StL 143 635 4.44 0 58 2 3
4 Thomas Jones, NYJ 122 602 4.93 7 71 2 3
5 Chris Johnson, Ten 95 596 6.27 2 91 1 2
6 Ryan Grant, GB 118 495 4.19 3 37 0 1

Grant is 6th in the league in rushing after 6 games. It's amazing what a good game can do for you. Actually looking at those stats it says Grant hasn't fumbled but his fumble in the Cincy game was costly. Maybe they are incorrect.

Thanks for the information and the time to post actual stats.

I think Grant's suckiness has more to do with the O-line than Grant. While I don't believe that Grant is an elite back he is servicable.

[Sparkey]

Still not a big fan of Grant. He is an average back, he still has no wiggle in him and seems to have heavy feet. Is slow to accelerate from a dead stop and, and seems to run with his eyes closed.

Rumors were the Pack were desperately trying to acquire a good back via trade last week. (Cowboy rumor as well) Grant needs big lanes to run through because he can not consistently make people miss. That saying about a line can make a r-back look good and a r-back can make the line look good. I have yet to see Ryan Grant make the O-Line look good.

He is what he is. Doesn't mean I want him to struggle because that would mean the Pack are struggling.

[Scott Campbell]

There's no timeshare in our backfield. It's not that impressive.

[Bossman641]

Re: And you all thought Ryan Grant sucked...

Grant is 6th in the league in rushing after 6 games. It's amazing what a good game can do for you. Actually looking at those stats it says Grant hasn't fumbled but his fumble in the Cincy game was costly. Maybe they are incorrect.

Grant's fumble came on a pass. As these are purely rushing statistics, I'm guessing that is why it shows him with no fumbles.

My problem with Grant is that it seems like he doesn't even try to make people miss. Even when he gets to the second level he just gets low and runs into the safety. Sure, it gets him an extra 3-4 yards, but he is not big enough to flat out run people over.

It gave me some hope that he actually made an attempt to elude Pool (and succeeded) on his long run. Hoping we see more of that in the future.

[retailguy]

If this thread isn't a flashing billboard screaming "stats aren't the entire answer/picture", I don't know what is.

If Grant is a top 10 back, then I'm Brad Pitt.

There is nothing about this offense that is "top 10 anything" right now. Back to back games against Detroit and Cleveland will help you pad those stats.

I'll take the wins, that's for sure, but it doesn't ease my worries about this team at all.

Let's see what the stats from Sunday's game look like on Monday, ok? If those stats look good, and we get another W, then I'll start believing.

TJ Lang against Jared Allen, is a lot different than TJ Lang against Wimbley/Coleman....

[bobblehead]

If this thread isn't a flashing billboard screaming "stats aren't the entire answer/picture", I don't know what is.

If Grant is a top 10 back, then I'm Brad Pitt.

There is nothing about this offense that is "top 10 anything" right now. Back to back games against Detroit and Cleveland will help you pad those stats.

I'll take the wins, that's for sure, but it doesn't ease my worries about this team at all.

Let's see what the stats from Sunday's game look like on Monday, ok? If those stats look good, and we get another W, then I'll start believing.

TJ Lang against Jared Allen, is a lot different than TJ Lang against Wimbley/Coleman....

I agree RG, stats don't mean shit Truthfully though, just like I said in the other thread they do matter. Maybe not the entire story, but they matter. For 2 weeks MM has committed to the run a bit more, Grant and the OL has been able to catch a rythm and suddenly things look a lot brighter.

Is RG a top 10 back....probably not, but he is obviously capable of getting the job done when the blocks are there. He also has hands of stone. And like someone said, we don't split carries at all.

All of the information is telling, but stats do matter and those of us (myself to an extent) who said RGrant SUCKS have to backpeddle a bit. Is he a stud...no, but he obviously can still get 'er done when the carries are there and the line is adequate.

Like you said, this week will tell us a lot. I actually expect to win a tough one, maybe lose a tough one, but we will be in this game the whole way without any doubt on my part. And I stand by what I said earlier, we are a top 10 team, but not a top 5 team.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Grant's only as good as his O-line. And the more they grow the better he'll be. Not a top ten by any means, but good lines do wonders for average to above-average backs. I think back to the teams of the mid-late 90's. Neither Bennett nor Levens was great. But they were combined with a really good line and a feared passing attack. Team game!!!

[Zool]

He's not the best back in the league but he doesn't "suck". Shit though, the guy was picked up for a 6th round pick. You can't have all-pro caliber people at every position.

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: And you all thought Ryan Grant sucked...

Rk Name/ Team Att Yds Avg TD Long Fumbles 100-YdGms

6 Ryan Grant, GB 118 495 4.19 3 37 0 1

Grant is 6th in the league in rushing after 6 games. It's amazing what a good game can do for you. Actually looking at those stats it says Grant hasn't fumbled but his fumble in the Cincy game was costly. Maybe they are incorrect.

Those stats would be nice but you have to agree when half of his yards come against the Lions and the Browns they aren't all that impressive. We are also watching the NFL game switch to a combination of two running backs that usually share the work load. Grant is the only ball carrier for the Pack right now. His average is also inflated over the past two weeks.

[Packgator]

There's no timeshare in our backfield. It's not that impressive.

He has the same or fewer attempts per game (19.7) as three of the five ahead of him in yards.

Cedric Benson........23.4
Adrian Peterson.....19.7
Steven Jackson......20.4
Thomas Jones.......17.4
Chris Johnson........15.8
Ryan Grant............19.7

Team rushing yards per game is a different story. The Packers rank 13th in total rushing yards with 118 per game. Tha drop off would seem to be a backup problem. Maybe A. Green will help boost that stat.