Rodgers' Pocket Sense Deteriorating?

[denverYooper]

Although this can't explain most of the issues, I think he is missing his newly found security blanket, J. Finley. They guy was a matchup problem and always seemed to be open.

Jordy's pretty good at getting open quickly, also.

[Partial]

Glad to see some of the homerism is coming down to earth. Does anyone think Aaron is still a top flight elite QB? Probably not. He's top 12. Like I've been saying all along.

Are you all ready to eat the crow you so very much deserve for being dbags to me about this?

I call things like I see them. I see a guy who is just not great. Good physical skills, sure, but he isn't a special QB. Flynn looks to be more of a winner than Rodgers.

Waldo, if that happens with the 6-1 they will play Flynn. If they were to go Arod and lose the game imagine the heat they'd take. That said, no way does this happen. I do see Rodgers getting hurt and missing a game or two, but I don't see Flynn taking the league by storm nor do I see them having the talent surrounding him to go 6-1. The D isn't who I thought they were. I'm not letting them off the hook, though.

[Zool]

Are you all ready to eat the crow you so very much deserve for being dbags to me about this?

Maybe if you will about the 6000 other topics you argue about.

[Partial]

Are you all ready to eat the crow you so very much deserve for being dbags to me about this?

Maybe if you will about the 6000 other topics you argue about.

Time will vindicate me as I've been basically right on the money on most topics. Not everything, I thought Morency could be a solid starter (a grant type guy) which he evidently cannot. The rest, not so sure it's off base.

[sharpe1027]

Glad to see some of the homerism is coming down to earth. Does anyone think Aaron is still a top flight elite QB? Probably not. He's top 12. Like I've been saying all along.

Are you all ready to eat the crow you so very much deserve for being dbags to me about this?

I call things like I see them. I see a guy who is just not great. Good physical skills, sure, but he isn't a special QB. Flynn looks to be more of a winner than Rodgers.

Waldo, if that happens with the 6-1 they will play Flynn. If they were to go Arod and lose the game imagine the heat they'd take.

No, you were a jackass that constantly took controversial positions and then would argue them rather than try to discuss them. Your shameless self-gratifying post above does nothing to help your image.

If you bothered to read the thread, you would have realized we are discussing what has changed about Rodgers. As far as I'm concerned, you have improved your posting somewhat lately, but, maybe a tiger can't change his stripes?

[Brandon494]

Glad to see some of the homerism is coming down to earth. Does anyone think Aaron is still a top flight elite QB? Probably not. He's top 12. Like I've been saying all along.

Are you all ready to eat the crow you so very much deserve for being dbags to me about this?

I call things like I see them. I see a guy who is just not great. Good physical skills, sure, but he isn't a special QB. Flynn looks to be more of a winner than Rodgers.

Waldo, if that happens with the 6-1 they will play Flynn. If they were to go Arod and lose the game imagine the heat they'd take. That said, no way does this happen. I do see Rodgers getting hurt and missing a game or two, but I don't see Flynn taking the league by storm nor do I see them having the talent surrounding him to go 6-1. The D isn't who I thought they were. I'm not letting them off the hook, though.

What are you talking about? Fylnn looks to be more of a winner than Rodgers? From what a couple of preseason games? AR is a top 6 QB in this league. We all know he holds onto the ball too long but he is also playing behind the worst O-line in the league and if I QB can't trust his league how do you expect him to have a great pocket awareness. He finally has one bad game and now your right about Rodgers? Don't think so buddy.

[th87]

Glad to see some of the homerism is coming down to earth. Does anyone think Aaron is still a top flight elite QB? Probably not. He's top 12. Like I've been saying all along.

Are you all ready to eat the crow you so very much deserve for being dbags to me about this?

I call things like I see them. I see a guy who is just not great. Good physical skills, sure, but he isn't a special QB. Flynn looks to be more of a winner than Rodgers.

Waldo, if that happens with the 6-1 they will play Flynn. If they were to go Arod and lose the game imagine the heat they'd take. That said, no way does this happen. I do see Rodgers getting hurt and missing a game or two, but I don't see Flynn taking the league by storm nor do I see them having the talent surrounding him to go 6-1. The D isn't who I thought they were. I'm not letting them off the hook, though.

Rodgers HAS BEEN a top-flight QB who's confidence has been battered to the point of inefficiency. Up until the last few weeks, he had been improving and looked ready to take the next step.

Every analyst agreed (and disagreed with you).

Now let me be honest with you: People don't attack you for the positions you take. I've agreed with them from time to time. People attack you because you stubbornly ignore evidence contrary to your position and rarely try to address them, which seems to paint you as a smarmy know-it-all. Self-congratulatory post bumping doesn't help either.

In short, you may have a good and sound conclusion, but your argumentative ability to support that conclusion is terrible. Not addressing or downplaying pertinent counter-facts pisses people off.

Waldo, for example, may take an unpopular position, but he has evidence to back him up. And when he's presented with counter-evidence, he'll come with a plausible rebuttal.

You have to "self-scout" and figure out why a large number of this forum takes issue with your online persona. If your online persona is disliked by a few, you can chalk that up to them being unreasonable. But when almost everyone here dislikes your online persona, it's time to look in the mirror.

Don't take it personally - I'm offering my opinion in an effort to make your experience here less contentious.

[mraynrand]

Dude I just got fucked.

[MadtownPacker]

Are you all ready to eat the crow you so very much deserve for being dbags to me about this?

Maybe if you will about the 6000 other topics you argue about.

Time will vindicate me as I've been basically right on the money on most topics. Not everything, I thought Morency could be a solid starter (a grant type guy) which he evidently cannot. The rest, not so sure it's off base.

Dude shut the fuck up!! Your ass aint always right. You did make some good calls but need to listen to what TH87 says about how your delivery is all fucked up.

[3irty1]

Maybe I'm missing some piece that all of you have.

When was the last time you recall AR throwing it at the top of his drop?
When did you last see him throw a guy open?
When did he last throw it into a tight window to a well covered receiver?
When was the last time you saw a WR cut after the ball had been thrown?

Every play seems like a broken play with AR back there. He never throws to his first read. If a guy is covered, he only throws to him on the sideline. Otherwise he only throws to wide open guys. This is the NFL. Not throwing into tight spots is not a luxury that NFL QB's have.

You know what. If he did these things, his rating would go down. His YPA would go down. His completion % would go down. His sacks would go down. 3rd and longs would go down. He would throw for a few more interceptions. He would throw more TD's. Drives would continue. He would win more games.

MM doesn't call 4 WR all go's on every play. AR chooses when and to who to throw to. Every play has a hot outlet. Every play has fast windows. Our WR's know how to sit down on zone edges and look for the ball in unexpected coverage holes. AR has to anticipate them being there. By the time they are open, they are closed. The indecisive QB will miss them all.

AR needs to ask himself. How many sacks is an int worth? Since sacks are just about as drive killing as an int. And he is choosing to take sacks to avoid ints at all costs.

This could only be written by a person who watched 700 hours of Brett Favre during their life. Favre redefined the west coast offense. NOBODY in the league throws their receivers open or unleashes the ball at the top of their drop as well as #4 and most would look like JaMarcus Russel if they tried. I agree that A-Rod gets greedy while trying to buy time and makes a bad OL look even worse but I just don't think this is A-Rods game at least not yet. A-Rod has a different set of strengths. He can't be compared to Favre or expected to win the way Favre wins. IMO he's more like Steve Young or Ben Rothesburger.

P. Manning pwns Brett at that.

This is coming from somebody that watches how guys like Romo, E. Manning, Rivers, M Ryan, Brees, etc... do it.

Early (like pre-'07) Aaron really struggled deciding what to do. He just held the ball and got sacked.

Even early in '08 (PS) these problems cropped up again.

Young starters in the NFL tend to have a dumbed down playbook and system that stresses throwing the ball fast. Aaron got that at first.

However it seems that as he has gotten more comfortable, he is regressing to a more natural version of himself and not pressing to quickly get rid of the ball.

You can tell that MM is starting to get angry about this. In the post game presser he blamed Aaron, not the line. It is not like McCarthy to call out his QB in public.

What can he do?

He can try stressing this with Aaron all he wants, what if Aaron isn't listening? Earlier in the season Aaron was nonchalant about the sacks, people pointed out to him that he was holding it too long and was a big part of the problem, and he responded with a "so".

McCarthy has been seen recently yelling at Aaron as he comes off the field after taking unnecessary sacks.

Even if he's not throwing a lot of ints, at what point do the unnecessary sacks basically become ints as it relates to the game. Does McCarthy have the nuts to pull Aaron if he truly feels that Aaron is the problem?

Of course Aaron could always pull himself by being injured. IMO Aaron has to watch his back and not get too comfortable.

Flynn very much strikes me as a Tom Brady type QB. Came into the league with a weak arm and underdeveloped body, that didn't get a chance to play much in college but was good when he did. Flynn has crazy intangibles and is one heck of a natural leader on the field. He was good in the clutch in college, and has been good in the clutch with us (though drops have really hampered a bunch of clutch plays by him, at least he had a catchable ball in the WR's hands). He's looked better than expected every time he played since family night '08. Just this week reporters commented on how sharp he looked. He had mechanics issues and strength issues when he was drafted. If those go away.....

Just like Brady, he could get his shot via injury, and not look back. Bledsoe was a good QB too. It would be preposterous to think that wimpy late round pick could take Bledsoe's job just one week before Drew got injured. The rest...is history.

Maybe that is what kept Brett on his toes for his whole career, and what has kept Brady on his toes, knowing that they were nothing until the established starter got hurt, and they stole his job. And that it is one play away from happening. Aaron doesn't seem to take that threat serious. But he should.

What would you do if Aaron broke his ankle vs Dallas, was out 7 weeks, Flynn came in, was sacked 1/3rd as much as Aaron, had a worse rating, but led the team well, saved the day twice, and went 6-1. Week 17 we're at 10-5, need a win to get the final WC spot. Who plays? That exact same decision created the 2000's Pats dynasty.

Both Favre and Manning are two of the best players to ever touch a football. I don't think anyone ever had anything but the wildest hopes that A-Rod would be a HOF household name. But I do think he's good enough to win and win a lot.

MM has said before the season that A-Rod needs to throw his receivers open and its proven true. IMO holding the ball too long, sacks, etc are symptoms of this not problems on their own. He doesn't shit down his leg in the face of pressure which is a desirable quality. A-Rods game is getting exposed this year by worse tackle play and receivers that aren't winning matchups that they used to win as often as they used to win them.

A-Rod might still have some things to learn but his strengths are still too numerous to be talking about Matt Flynn IMO. The things he does well make him a great QB in my opinion or even if you don't like him you have to admit he's a huge tease.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Matt Flynn? Really? Is that the way things are going. Wow.

Waldo: Holes in your analysis so big that even ryan grant could run thru them.

Partial: Stay classy.

[packerbacker1234]

Eh, The problem is hte skillsets I keep seeing people mention AR has are not like... the skillsets that win games.

"AR is young and can run. AR has one of the best deep balls in the game".

Except you only throw it deep maybe 2 or 3 times a game usually. It's the throws of 15 yards and under that win football games.

Where are they? He acts a lot like Sexy Rexy: Wants to go deep every play.

[mraynrand]

He acts a lot like Sexy Rexy: Wants to go deep every play.

[packerbacker1234]

So I just watched Rodgers presser after the game again:

On his ints:

1st one: I didn't see him, Tried to put in there against the wind.

2nd one: felt good about the 2nd ball, unfortunately got a deflection.

3rd one: Desperation, felt good about the throw but it may have been a little high.


Ok, so i'll give him the 3rd. He had to throw it, and I guess the guy was open, be he threw it high. Admits to it.

First one: He didn't see teh defender set up perfectly to pick it? Alright, admitted mistake.

2nd, he thought it was a good ball? Tripple coverage? Really?

That 2nd is what concerns me the most. That was a horrible decision.

[Cheesehead Craig]

ARod is a top flight QB. Does he make mistakes? Yep. Has he owned up to them? Yep. The standard by which some hold him up to is ridiculous and virtually unattainable.