Brown: "The Vikings have stole our swagger, period.''

[bbbffl66]

Re: Brown: "The Vikings have stole our swagger, period.

Brown said, per SportsRadioInterviews.com. "Everything that goes on starts with the big man upfront."

Yes, because once Gilbert gets to be up front at the head of the line, he can speak up and order a sack of Gilbert Burgers.

My favorite was when he was on crutches on the sideline for a game and an opposing player was pushing out of bounds, ran right into Gilbert, and fell down without moving him. Funniest thing ever. Does anyone else remember that game?

Didn't he get a penalty on that? I thought it was hysterical!

[pbmax]

Pay no attention to Gilbert, they just interviewed him when he was hungry and they were keeping a huge burger just out of his reach.

Dont discount him. I saw gilbert in an interview the week before the game and it was CLEAR he bleeds green and gold along with Will Hen. It sounds like he's actually hurt by the direction of the franchise; not some bitter cat

That is a fine sentiment and it may mean a lot to fans that he cares. So does a guy in my neighborhood who paints the Packer helmet on his lawn each fall.

But that doesn't make him right. Gilbert has some judgement issues as well; he ate himself out of the league too early.

[pbmax]

gilby is right...mr. tough pittsburg guy got married, had a kid and now is afraid of the cold and won't practice outdoors. He is worried about working guys too hard, and our smash mouth running game has been around for exactly 8 games at the end of '07.

We need some cock in the walk...we need some physical play...and I'm not talking about head butting a guy on 4th down. I honestly believe the type of practices he runs is at the core of this. I want special teams FIGHTS, not pissy holding penalties. I want our OL driving guys into the ground until the whistle, not false starts. And finally I want a swarming defense that can get to a QB on 3rd down.

My sarcasm detector might be on the fritz but we have practiced outside for the first time in three seasons this year. If anything, we should stop.

Nope. Not on me anywhere.

Please look on the floor in the Fritz Chevy Vega. Its got to be there somewhere.

[pbmax]

Agree with GB. The entire Packer organization is humiliated. An unlikely Cowboys victory returns the swagger.

Perhaps Gilbert would be more believable on this if he hadn't been completely wiped out versus the Broncos and almost unable to pick himself off the field on the goal line stand in the second half. Gilbert's swagger would be at a higher level if he himself had played at a higher level longer. Gilbert didn't get serious about his career until it was going to cost him money. That should tell you all you need to know about his commitment.

And just to get it on record, swagger, like grit in baseball, is a euphemism for "I've got no idea what is going on, so I will substitute an amorphous word and attribute it to whoever is winning."

[Maxie the Taxi]

The Dallas Cowgirls have swagger and so do their fans.

[denverYooper]

The Dallas Cowgirls have swagger and so do their fans.

Just wait until December. Those guys have had plenty of swagger in the past few years, all to go swishy-swishy-swishy down the porcelain pike late in the year.

[rbaloha1]

Agree with GB. The entire Packer organization is humiliated. An unlikely Cowboys victory returns the swagger.

Perhaps Gilbert would be more believable on this if he hadn't been completely wiped out versus the Broncos and almost unable to pick himself off the field on the goal line stand in the second half. Gilbert's swagger would be at a higher level if he himself had played at a higher level longer. Gilbert didn't get serious about his career until it was going to cost him money. That should tell you all you need to know about his commitment.

And just to get it on record, swagger, like grit in baseball, is a euphemism for "I've got no idea what is going on, so I will substitute an amorphous word and attribute it to whoever is winning."

What does a poor super bowl performance have anything to do with GB's comments? Is Leroy Butler more believable?

[Maxie the Taxi]

The Dallas Cowgirls have swagger and so do their fans.

Just wait until December. Those guys have had plenty of swagger in the past few years, all to go swishy-swishy-swishy down the porcelain pike late in the year.

I hope they eat some porcelain Sunday. If a guy's got swagger, it's extra incentive to knock him off his porcelain pedestal. Damn I hate the Cowgirls!

[pbmax]

Agree with GB. The entire Packer organization is humiliated. An unlikely Cowboys victory returns the swagger.

Perhaps Gilbert would be more believable on this if he hadn't been completely wiped out versus the Broncos and almost unable to pick himself off the field on the goal line stand in the second half. Gilbert's swagger would be at a higher level if he himself had played at a higher level longer. Gilbert didn't get serious about his career until it was going to cost him money. That should tell you all you need to know about his commitment.

And just to get it on record, swagger, like grit in baseball, is a euphemism for "I've got no idea what is going on, so I will substitute an amorphous word and attribute it to whoever is winning."

What does a poor super bowl performance have anything to do with GB's comments? Is Leroy Butler more believable?

What has Gilbert demonstrated that he understands about football that would cause anyone to take him seriously?

Butler is far more qualified to comment, but exactly what has he gotten right since his retirement?

[Brandon494]

MM is a joke of a coach and I really don't think the players respect him.

I hope you're being hyperbolic. M3 isn't close to being a joke of a coach. That would be Mangini or Lane Kiffin territory or Nick Saban (in the NFL). Or maybe Zorn territory.

I would say that M3 isn't stellar, but a joke wouldn't have been runner up for coach of the year in 2007. A joke wouldn't have gotten a contract extension. And the players not respecting him? That's pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Maybe #4 made MM look good as he did with previous Packer assistant coaches?

So it wasn't M3 who coached BF to the best statistical season of his career since his MVPs after years of uncontrolled QB play during his last season in GB? That was Favre suddenly doing something he didn't do with M2 at all or doing something he didn't do unless M1 was screaming at him? He just...poof...was playing far more controlled which resulted in an NFC championship game where he threw an interception to stay out of the Super Bowl? I think BF is a different QB now, but I think it took GB moving on, playing for the Jets for a year, and feeling that age get to him that made him really realize it. He was still throwing picks like miners on strike with GB until M3. So, please tell, how was 2007's success, a surprising defense (considering the years around it), and Ryan Grant completely BF making M3 look good?

I'm not saying that M3 is a great coach. I've said that he's serviceable, and I'll stick with that assessment. But he's not a joke of a coach. That is entirely hyperbole, and as long as we all know it's hyperbole, I'm okay with it.

MM is a good OC and is great with QBs BUT as a HC he is a JOKE! I was a supporter of his until lately. His playcalling is crap and he continues to talk about fixing problems yet never does. We have too much damn talent on this team to be playing like we have this season. Some of the blame also goes on Capers but I'll give him a break since our defense is learning a new scheme. If we don't make the playoffs this season MM needs to go.

[Smidgeon]

If we don't make the playoffs this season MM needs to go.

I can agree with this sentiment. Especially if the injury bug continues to not strike the team and present them with convenient excuses. But I still disagree that he's a joke. There are certainly worse head coaches out there.

[gex]

MM is a joke of a coach and I really don't think the players respect him.

I hope you're being hyperbolic. M3 isn't close to being a joke of a coach. That would be Mangini or Lane Kiffin territory or Nick Saban (in the NFL). Or maybe Zorn territory.

I would say that M3 isn't stellar, but a joke wouldn't have been runner up for coach of the year in 2007. A joke wouldn't have gotten a contract extension. And the players not respecting him? That's pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Maybe #4 made MM look good as he did with previous Packer assistant coaches?

So it wasn't M3 who coached BF to the best statistical season of his career since his MVPs after years of uncontrolled QB play during his last season in GB? That was Favre suddenly doing something he didn't do with M2 at all or doing something he didn't do unless M1 was screaming at him? He just...poof...was playing far more controlled which resulted in an NFC championship game where he threw an interception to stay out of the Super Bowl? I think BF is a different QB now, but I think it took GB moving on, playing for the Jets for a year, and feeling that age get to him that made him really realize it. He was still throwing picks like miners on strike with GB until M3. So, please tell, how was 2007's success, a surprising defense (considering the years around it), and Ryan Grant completely BF making M3 look good?

I'm not saying that M3 is a great coach. I've said that he's serviceable, and I'll stick with that assessment. But he's not a joke of a coach. That is entirely hyperbole, and as long as we all know it's hyperbole, I'm okay with it.

So for how many years was this uncontrolable Favre off his leash? Stats please. And an injury report for each season to see what kind of team he was left with.(taco wallace,gado, etc..)

[Smidgeon]

So for how many years was this uncontrollable Favre off his leash? Stats please. And an injury report for each season to see what kind of team he was left with.

Prior to 2007:

2006 had a similar interception rate, but a completion percentage of 56%
Before that, you have to go back to 2000-2002 to find similar interception rates, but he threw around 60% completion and only topped 2007's touchdown total once in 2001. Going further back, it isn't until the Super Bowl year of 1996 that his interception rate has been similarly low, which is in his MVP years which is to where I drew the timeline. So:

Year - Pct - TD - Int%
2007 - 66.5 - 28 - 2.8
2006 - 56.0 - 18 - 2.9
2005 - 61.3 - 20 - 4.8
2004 - 64.1 - 30 - 3.1
2003 - 65.4 - 32 - 4.5
2002 - 61.9 - 27 - 2.9
2001 - 61.6 - 32 - 2.9
2000 - 58.3 - 20 - 2.8
1999 - 57.3 - 22 - 3.9
1998 - 63.0 - 31 - 4.2

An injury report is irrelevant, in my opinion, regarding how controlled he played. I'm not downplaying how good he was. I am simply saying that he had a statistically superior season (even if it was slight over 2004 and slightly more over 2001) with McCarthy in 2007 than he did any year since his MVP years. I'm not saying McCarthy was completely responsible for it, I'm just saying that his coaching helped Favre to a better season. I am also not saying that McCarthy is a superior coach. All I'm saying is that he's not a "joke" of a coach. That's my only, only point.

[Scott Campbell]

So for how many years was this uncontrollable Favre off his leash? Stats please. And an injury report for each season to see what kind of team he was left with.

Prior to 2007:

2006 had a similar interception rate, but a completion percentage of 56%
Before that, you have to go back to 2000-2002 to find similar interception rates, but he threw around 60% completion and only topped 2007's touchdown total once in 2001. Going further back, it isn't until the Super Bowl year of 1996 that his interception rate has been similarly low, which is in his MVP years which is to where I drew the timeline. So:

Year - Pct - TD - Int%
2007 - 66.5 - 28 - 2.8
2006 - 56.0 - 18 - 2.9
2005 - 61.3 - 20 - 4.8
2004 - 64.1 - 30 - 3.1
2003 - 65.4 - 32 - 4.5
2002 - 61.9 - 27 - 2.9
2001 - 61.6 - 32 - 2.9
2000 - 58.3 - 20 - 2.8
1999 - 57.3 - 22 - 3.9
1998 - 63.0 - 31 - 4.2

An injury report is irrelevant, in my opinion, regarding how controlled he played. I'm not downplaying how good he was. I am simply saying that he had a statistically superior season (even if it was slight over 2004 and slightly more over 2001) with McCarthy in 2007 than he did any year since his MVP years. I'm not saying McCarthy was completely responsible for it, I'm just saying that his coaching helped Favre to a better season. I am also not saying that McCarthy is a superior coach. All I'm saying is that he's not a "joke" of a coach. That's my only, only point.

Great stats. Thanks.

[GrnBay007]

There is something very wrong in Green Bay. I saw something that really bothered me when Favre and Vikings won at Lambeau. Did anyone else see it? Especially after the game?

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