BELLICHEK THE GENIUS.....Gone insane or Calculated ???

[Maxie the Taxi]

I agree with Bretsky and Belichick.

That move wouldn't even have occurred to most head coaches. The guy thinks out of the box.

I remember the Packers' Super Bowl loss to Denver. At the end John Elway was walking the Broncos down the field for the winning touchdown, threatening to leave no time left for Favre and the Pack to come back. Packers couldn't stop Davis all day, so I was screaming for the Packers' defense to step out of the way and let the Broncos score with two minutes left. I pissed off a lot of relatives, but it turns out Holmgren was telling his players to let the Broncos score too.

[bobblehead]

This move reminds me of Spurrier trying to coach in the NFL. You do this kind of move when you clearly have superior talent therefore you don't have to do it.

It was a move born of arrogance. We all saw the effect of a much shorter field on our defense in weeks past right? We have all seen what happens when a DLine gets to ignore the run (which NE would have if they punt).

Sorry, this was a horrible call. Bellicheat has gotten too arrogant. and it showed up big time. He got too confident in the QB that has turned him from a run of the mill losing coach into the genius.

When BB goes on to win in another city with a QB not named Brady I'll start saying this call was ok and he is brilliant...until then, he is nothing more than Tom Brady's steward.

[ThunderDan]

The problem I have with the decision is that a Holding or a Motion penalty could have stopped any Colts drive.

Other than that I really don't care one way or the other. I mean this NE team is an offensive team not a defensive powerhouse.

[Smidgeon]

When BB goes on to win in another city with a QB not named Brady I'll start saying this call was ok and he is brilliant...until then, he is nothing more than Tom Brady's steward.

Not advocating BB, but how do you characterize the season with Matt Cassel starting?

[mraynrand]

This move reminds me of Spurrier trying to coach in the NFL. You do this kind of move when you clearly have superior talent therefore you don't have to do it.

It was a move born of arrogance. We all saw the effect of a much shorter field on our defense in weeks past right? We have all seen what happens when a DLine gets to ignore the run (which NE would have if they punt).

Sorry, this was a horrible call. Bellicheat has gotten too arrogant. and it showed up big time. He got too confident in the QB that has turned him from a run of the mill losing coach into the genius.

When BB goes on to win in another city with a QB not named Brady I'll start saying this call was ok and he is brilliant...until then, he is nothing more than Tom Brady's steward.

Wow, what an over-reaction. Sure, Tom Brady shut down all those multiple offenses, like The '91 Bills or the 2001 Rams, or the Colts multiple times. Bill's just a hack, hanging on Brady's apron strings.

But let's assume your thinking is correct, and Brady is the entire reason for Bill's success: then it makes total sense to let Brady make the play and win the game right? Let's see - my choices are to punt and have a run of the mill losing coach try to instruct his defense to stop Manning or let the QB who turned this loser into a genius win the game. Bobbly, you argued in favor of what Bill ended up doing.

[bobblehead]

When BB goes on to win in another city with a QB not named Brady I'll start saying this call was ok and he is brilliant...until then, he is nothing more than Tom Brady's steward.

Not advocating BB, but how do you characterize the season with Matt Cassel starting?

Excellent point, I must give him a bit more credit. Not too much though. Remember this guy was a D coordinator for like 150 years before he landed a top gig.

Although I did qualify by saying in another city. NE has a strong winning tradition now and is confident and stacked....although that confidence might just be a bit shaken now.

[bobblehead]

This move reminds me of Spurrier trying to coach in the NFL. You do this kind of move when you clearly have superior talent therefore you don't have to do it.

It was a move born of arrogance. We all saw the effect of a much shorter field on our defense in weeks past right? We have all seen what happens when a DLine gets to ignore the run (which NE would have if they punt).

Sorry, this was a horrible call. Bellicheat has gotten too arrogant. and it showed up big time. He got too confident in the QB that has turned him from a run of the mill losing coach into the genius.

When BB goes on to win in another city with a QB not named Brady I'll start saying this call was ok and he is brilliant...until then, he is nothing more than Tom Brady's steward.

Wow, what an over-reaction. Sure, Tom Brady shut down all those multiple offenses, like The '91 Bills or the 2001 Rams, or the Colts multiple times. Bill's just a hack, hanging on Brady's apron strings.

But let's assume your thinking is correct, and Brady is the entire reason for Bill's success: then it makes total sense to let Brady make the play and win the game right? Let's see - my choices are to punt and have a run of the mill losing coach try to instruct his defense to stop Manning or let the QB who turned this loser into a genius win the game. Bobbly, you argued in favor of what Bill ended up doing.

I guess the simple answer is that he was stealing signals and knew what he was trying to stop therefore it wasn't quite as complex as it seemed.

[mraynrand]

If you are saying you think Belichick is a slimy guy and you don't like him, well, then I agree with you.

[bobblehead]

If you are saying you think Belichick is a slimy guy and you don't like him, well, then I agree with you.

I am also saying he is overrated. He is a proven cheater which puts all his accomplishments with NE into question, and he flopped as a head coach in Cleveland.

I'm not saying he is SHITTY, I'm saying overrated. I would never put him in the same league as guys like Holmgren, Parcells, Walsh. If he leaves NE and makes a Superbowl (or even an Conference championship) I'll reconsider.

[mraynrand]

If you are saying you think Belichick is a slimy guy and you don't like him, well, then I agree with you.

I am also saying he is overrated. He is a proven cheater which puts all his accomplishments with NE into question, and he flopped as a head coach in Cleveland.

I'm not saying he is SHITTY, I'm saying overrated. I would never put him in the same league as guys like Holmgren, Parcells, Walsh. If he leaves NE and makes a Superbowl (or even an Conference championship) I'll reconsider.

Interesting that Parcells never really won anything without Belichick. Flopped as head coach in Cleveland? Cleveland last won a playoff game in 1994 under Bill. If you recall, they moved after the '95 season and played under a cloud the entire '95 season. Was that Bill's fault? The Patriots obviously thought he was worth a first round draft pick. Without knowing exactly what the advantage the cheating really provided, it's hard to really assess the guy. But based on results, he's clearly in the top 10 to top 5 all time NFL coaches.

[Smidgeon]

When BB goes on to win in another city with a QB not named Brady I'll start saying this call was ok and he is brilliant...until then, he is nothing more than Tom Brady's steward.

Not advocating BB, but how do you characterize the season with Matt Cassel starting?

Excellent point, I must give him a bit more credit. Not too much though. Remember this guy was a D coordinator for like 150 years before he landed a top gig.

Although I did qualify by saying in another city. NE has a strong winning tradition now and is confident and stacked....although that confidence might just be a bit shaken now.

I know you said "different city", but you also said he was hanging on Brady's strings. Brady was out that year. How many other teams would be able to go 11-5 with a backup QB? I would surmise very few.

EDIT: Also, I don't remember the exact number, but when Holmgren made it to the Super Bowl with Seattle, there was a big who-do about that because so very few coaches (maybe he was the first) have made it to Super Bowls with more than one team.

[Guiness]

I know you said "different city", but you also said he was hanging on Brady's strings. Brady was out that year. How many other teams would be able to go 11-5 with a backup QB? I would surmise very few.

EDIT: Also, I don't remember the exact number, but when Holmgren made it to the Super Bowl with Seattle, there was a big who-do about that because so very few coaches (maybe he was the first) have made it to Super Bowls with more than one team.

Vermeil did it with Philly and St-L. Was oh-so-close to going with a third team, he had some good squads in Kansas City.

[Smidgeon]

I know you said "different city", but you also said he was hanging on Brady's strings. Brady was out that year. How many other teams would be able to go 11-5 with a backup QB? I would surmise very few.

EDIT: Also, I don't remember the exact number, but when Holmgren made it to the Super Bowl with Seattle, there was a big who-do about that because so very few coaches (maybe he was the first) have made it to Super Bowls with more than one team.

Vermeil did it with Philly and St-L. Was oh-so-close to going with a third team, he had some good squads in Kansas City.

Thanks for the info. Unless the announcers were wrong, no HC has won with two teams.

[packers11]

Imagine if Wade Phillips did it... or Even MM...

People would be calling for their heads

[Fritz]

I would've gone for the field goal.