BELLICHEK THE GENIUS.....Gone insane or Calculated ???

[Bretsky]

I agree with Bretsky and Belichick.

That move wouldn't even have occurred to most head coaches. The guy thinks out of the box.

I remember the Packers' Super Bowl loss to Denver. At the end John Elway was walking the Broncos down the field for the winning touchdown, threatening to leave no time left for Favre and the Pack to come back. Packers couldn't stop Davis all day, so I was screaming for the Packers' defense to step out of the way and let the Broncos score with two minutes left. I pissed off a lot of relatives, but it turns out Holmgren was telling his players to let the Broncos score too.

BINGO, and if Faulk makes the play he's suppose to make we're not even debating this

[Bretsky]

If you are saying you think Belichick is a slimy guy and you don't like him, well, then I agree with you.

I am also saying he is overrated. He is a proven cheater which puts all his accomplishments with NE into question, and he flopped as a head coach in Cleveland.

I'm not saying he is SHITTY, I'm saying overrated. I would never put him in the same league as guys like Holmgren, Parcells, Walsh. If he leaves NE and makes a Superbowl (or even an Conference championship) I'll reconsider.

Interesting that Parcells never really won anything without Belichick. Flopped as head coach in Cleveland? Cleveland last won a playoff game in 1994 under Bill. If you recall, they moved after the '95 season and played under a cloud the entire '95 season. Was that Bill's fault? The Patriots obviously thought he was worth a first round draft pick. Without knowing exactly what the advantage the cheating really provided, it's hard to really assess the guy. But based on results, he's clearly in the top 10 to top 5 all time NFL coaches.

Ditto again; hard to call BB a flop in Cleveland when you consider the circumstances. He's the best

[pbmax]

I agree with Bretsky and Belichick.

That move wouldn't even have occurred to most head coaches. The guy thinks out of the box.

I remember the Packers' Super Bowl loss to Denver. At the end John Elway was walking the Broncos down the field for the winning touchdown, threatening to leave no time left for Favre and the Pack to come back. Packers couldn't stop Davis all day, so I was screaming for the Packers' defense to step out of the way and let the Broncos score with two minutes left. I pissed off a lot of relatives, but it turns out Holmgren was telling his players to let the Broncos score too.

BINGO, and if Faulk makes the play he's suppose to make we're not even debating this

Faulk had a tough catch in traffic and was getting hit. That is not so easy.

Also, didn't Holmgren later recant and said if he knew it was second down, he would not have told the defense to let Davis score.

[Bretsky]

I agree with Bretsky and Belichick.

That move wouldn't even have occurred to most head coaches. The guy thinks out of the box.

I remember the Packers' Super Bowl loss to Denver. At the end John Elway was walking the Broncos down the field for the winning touchdown, threatening to leave no time left for Favre and the Pack to come back. Packers couldn't stop Davis all day, so I was screaming for the Packers' defense to step out of the way and let the Broncos score with two minutes left. I pissed off a lot of relatives, but it turns out Holmgren was telling his players to let the Broncos score too.

Traffic...yes...but Faulk had a second to catch it clean before he was hit. That's a play he makes nearly every time.

BB's mistake was not running on 3rd and 2


BINGO, and if Faulk makes the play he's suppose to make we're not even debating this

Faulk had a tough catch in traffic and was getting hit. That is not so easy.

Also, didn't Holmgren later recant and said if he knew it was second down, he would not have told the defense to let Davis score.