Aaron Rodgers now..

[Partial]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Has the highest career QB rating of all time.

Although the stat is not official, because QB stats are only official with at least 1500 attempts.

Rodgers: 96.9
Young: 96.8
Peyton: 95.2

Haters discuss.

Nice list of average QB's huh Partial?

LOL @ Partial avoiding this thread like the plague.

Why? It's a holiday. I was out living life away from my comp. Statistical anomaly. Few would say he is anywhere near the quality of player as Peyton or Steve Young. Would you? What has he done to show he is?

QB rating is a measure of efficiency and one way to judge a QB. It certainly has some merit, but its not the end all be all in the discussion of a quality quarterback. Rodgers is not a gun slinger. He's careful with the football but also doesn't have nearly as many game changing plays (for better or worse). Very tough to compare him to an all-time winner like Favre(who is clearly the better QB even in the twilight of his career) using these stats because they play different games.

Favre's game is to make a lot of plays. Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

[Waldo]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Has the highest career QB rating of all time.

Although the stat is not official, because QB stats are only official with at least 1500 attempts.

Rodgers: 96.9
Young: 96.8
Peyton: 95.2

Haters discuss.

Nice list of average QB's huh Partial?

LOL @ Partial avoiding this thread like the plague.

Why? It's a holiday. I was out living life away from my comp. Statistical anomaly. Few would say he is anywhere near the quality of player as Peyton or Steve Young. Would you? What has he done to show he is?

QB rating is a measure of efficiency and one way to judge a QB. It certainly has some merit, but its not the end all be all in the discussion of a quality quarterback. Rodgers is not a gun slinger. He's careful with the football but also doesn't have nearly as many game changing plays (for better or worse). Very tough to compare him to an all-time winner like Favre(who is clearly the better QB even in the twilight of his career) using these stats because they play different games.

Favre's game is to make a lot of plays. Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

Really?

He's #40 all time in TD% for his career. 5 active players are ahead of him, Romo, P. Manning, Rivers, Brady, and Big Ben. Farve and Warner are tied with Rodgers at #40 with 5.1%. He is currently tied for #1 in the number of TD's thrown this season. Are TD's game changing plays?

He's #2 this season in number of 40+ passes and #3 in 20+ passes. Are those game changing plays?

He leads the NFL in rushing yds by a QB, and leads the NFL in rushing TD's by a QB. Are those game changing plays?

It sucks that he isn't as good as Vince Young. We shoulda traded up when we had the chance.

Not to mention, Rodgers is currently #1 all time at career int % (min 500 completions). No QB ever has been more careful with the ball during his career than Aaron.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

WRONG! Rodgers is a playmaker. 51 TDs in 27 career starts. Add 454 yards rushing and 7 rushing TDs to the total. Nothing against Favre, but you brought up the comparison. How about 7.6 yards/attempt in his career so far vs. 7.0 yards/attempt for Brett in his career. Second QB to have over 4000 yards in his first year as a starter (Kurt Warner was the first). He's on pace for 4561 yards, 32 TDs, and 7 interceptions--with 359 rushing yards and 4-5 rushing TDs. Playmaker.

[Partial]

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Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

WRONG! Rodgers is a playmaker. 50 TDs in 27 career starts. Add 450 yards rushing and 7 rushing TDs to the total. Nothing against Favre, but you brought up the comparison. How about 7.6 yards/attempt in his career so far vs. 7.0 yards/attempt for Brett in his career.

He's playing very well, so I can't be too hard on him, but part of the yards per completion has to do with the YACers and the quality of skill positions surrounding him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He's on pace for 4500+ passing yards, 32 TDs, and 7 interceptions in his second year as a starter. Just glad we have him for a long time.

[pbmax]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Aaron is THE example for what can happen with several years of seasoning. That three years he spent behind Favre was the best time he could have spent. He has developed into a really, really good QB. We're lucky to have him.

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Exactly. It is the model anyone should follow for a QB that has not had mutiple years of starts in D1. Perfect for QBs drafter mid 1st and lower.

[pbmax]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

WRONG! Rodgers is a playmaker. 50 TDs in 27 career starts. Add 450 yards rushing and 7 rushing TDs to the total. Nothing against Favre, but you brought up the comparison. How about 7.6 yards/attempt in his career so far vs. 7.0 yards/attempt for Brett in his career.

He's playing very well, so I can't be too hard on him, but part of the yards per completion has to do with the YACers and the quality of skill positions surrounding him.

Not exactly. Look at the number of deep completions. His YPA is insane. YAC does help, but you need to complete them and you need to have the right route. No one gets a ton of YAC running a comeback route. It means he is hitting a moving target well.

[ThunderDan]

Exactly pb. A throw in stride with the WR is the catch that brings a lot of YAC. Balls misplaced usually cause the WR to stop and get tackled on completion.

[packers11]

Partial will never let this fking argument up. I am so sick of watching this shit in every fking Rodgers thread..

K ...

Tom Brady sucks (moss-welker make him) Look at the "stats" he never threw over 30 td's before they came... His surrounding cast makes him ...

Brees sucks. 8-8 last year with all those weapons?! Are you kidding me, that explosive offense and you cannot get past 8-8, your just a product of the system...

Partial, I never bash posters, and i've let all your rambling pass by me, but man, you just are going way to far with this shit...

/ Rant off

[Waldo]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

WRONG! Rodgers is a playmaker. 50 TDs in 27 career starts. Add 450 yards rushing and 7 rushing TDs to the total. Nothing against Favre, but you brought up the comparison. How about 7.6 yards/attempt in his career so far vs. 7.0 yards/attempt for Brett in his career.

He's playing very well, so I can't be too hard on him, but part of the yards per completion has to do with the YACers and the quality of skill positions surrounding him.

Not exactly. Look at the number of deep completions. His YPA is insane. YAC does help, but you need to complete them and you need to have the right route. No one gets a ton of YAC running a comeback route. It means he is hitting a moving target well.

YAC Stats

[Freak Out]

It's amazing the the job he has done this year even with the crap OL play he's had. Hopefully the Pack keeps him under contract for a long time.

That doesn't change the fact that Chevelle2 is a pot stirring bitch.

[pbmax]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

WRONG! Rodgers is a playmaker. 50 TDs in 27 career starts. Add 450 yards rushing and 7 rushing TDs to the total. Nothing against Favre, but you brought up the comparison. How about 7.6 yards/attempt in his career so far vs. 7.0 yards/attempt for Brett in his career.

He's playing very well, so I can't be too hard on him, but part of the yards per completion has to do with the YACers and the quality of skill positions surrounding him.

Not exactly. Look at the number of deep completions. His YPA is insane. YAC does help, but you need to complete them and you need to have the right route. No one gets a ton of YAC running a comeback route. It means he is hitting a moving target well.

YAC Stats

Long Completions

Also, one thing to Partial's credit. A couple of statistical analyses I have read have found little correlation of YAC to the QB. From a statistical standpoint, its seems to be the receivers. I will try to find that study online. I think it was at Advanced Football Stats.

[Waldo]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

WRONG! Rodgers is a playmaker. 50 TDs in 27 career starts. Add 450 yards rushing and 7 rushing TDs to the total. Nothing against Favre, but you brought up the comparison. How about 7.6 yards/attempt in his career so far vs. 7.0 yards/attempt for Brett in his career.

He's playing very well, so I can't be too hard on him, but part of the yards per completion has to do with the YACers and the quality of skill positions surrounding him.

Not exactly. Look at the number of deep completions. His YPA is insane. YAC does help, but you need to complete them and you need to have the right route. No one gets a ton of YAC running a comeback route. It means he is hitting a moving target well.

YAC Stats

Long Completions

Also, one thing to Partial's credit. A couple of statistical analyses I have read have found little correlation of YAC to the QB. From a statistical standpoint, its seems to be the receivers. I will try to find that study online. I think it was at Advanced Football Stats.

I've been thinking about doing a similar look and trying to prove their stats wrong.

It is easy to trash Football Outsiders stat based analysis, it has been done many times by people better with stats. They are good at telling us what happened and the odds of things occurring in the future. Their ability to predict is woeful and their stat based special articles are typically pitiful.

Cold Hard Football facts might be the one that you are talking about. They notably despise Favre and will point out all stats that make him look shitty. This is one of them.

2007-2008-2009 in GB though has shown that QB/play caller seems to have a great deal to do with YAC. While it may be true that the strongest YAC correlation follows the receiver, and not the QB, I think that the analysis may be a bit shallow, and that a different look may yield a stronger result showing that it isn't the WR, that in fact play caller and QB have the biggest role. Certain routes lend themselves to YAC, certain ones don't, no matter who the receiver. Out routes and comebacks just don't generate YAC like sluggos and slants.

[Freak Out]

Rodgers would probably have even better numbers if we didn't have a fucking spaz calling plays.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think there was a stat that showed the Packers ranked in the bottom half in YAC last year--which pointed to Rodgers yards coming more by longer throws. Rodgers has played some dink and dunk games, but he looks for the big play more than a vast majority of QBs. In fact, he's been criticized for not playing more conservatively (e.g. taking too many sacks trying to let longer routes develop).