Aaron Rodgers now..

[ThunderDan]

Comparing Favre to Rodgers:

Rodgers should knock 15 pts off his QB rating for all the dumb sacks and when you do that, I think the numbers show what really happened, we took a step back. Hopefully it was a step back to take two forward, but I agree with Partial now, we took a step back and a significant one.

Do you even remember Favre's first couple of years starting?

Favre got cheered very loudy for throwing the ball away in a game, kinda like what Rodgers is starting to do.

Favre's 1st full 5 years in the league he had 34, 30, 31, 33 and 40 sacks. Should we take only 10 points off of his 85.3 or 72.2 QB ratings his first 2 years.

It wasn't until Brett's 10th year in the league that his sacks went down consistantly. It takes a long time to learn pocket awareness.

[Pugger]

I disagree that we took a step back and I also don't think Favre would be playing so well if he was still with the Packers.

Favre in Green Bay could do no wrong. Yes, we all screamed at the TV at the stupid INT's but if he was still in Green Bay, we would excuse it for all the plays he made.

TT shipped Favre outta town and he wanted to prove to TT he could still do it. He got hurt in New York and from then I think he realized he couldn't make all the throws. That along with wanting to get back at TT has made Favre, now more than ever, play within the system. He takes what the defense gives him and when he goes deep it is to 1 on 1 coverage or the guy is open. You don't see those lame duck passes from Favre anymore. Favre in his younger years never stayed in the system and always thought he could fit it in there, leading to a lot of unnecessary INT's in the red zone and on 1st down.

I doubt TT ran BF out of town until August of 2008. If BF never retired it's quite possible he'd still be our starter. If TT wanted to get rid of BF and play is boy AR why didn't he trade #4 after the lousy 2005 season? But I'd love to know why Favre couldn't/wouldn't play within the system when he was here? Did it take him 16 years to figure that out?

I don't think it is fair to either player to compare BF to AR. BF has years of experience reading defenses and AR has only, what, 27 starts to his career? It will make more sense to do this after both fellas are done playing and we can look back at the entire body of work for both.

[SkinBasket]

It's kind of really fucking boring that every Rodgers thread becomes a Favre thread, and that for some annoying people, he'll never be a great QB, just an average, or slightly better than average, QB who just happens to play really well, but who's ability isn't indicated by his own QB statistics, but instead only by the most collective team stat of all - Wins and Losses. Just sayin. This thread sucks.

[MJZiggy]

Just sayin. This thread sucks.

And we have a winner.

[channtheman]

I disagree that we took a step back and I also don't think Favre would be playing so well if he was still with the Packers.

Favre in Green Bay could do no wrong. Yes, we all screamed at the TV at the stupid INT's but if he was still in Green Bay, we would excuse it for all the plays he made.

TT shipped Favre outta town and he wanted to prove to TT he could still do it. He got hurt in New York and from then I think he realized he couldn't make all the throws. That along with wanting to get back at TT has made Favre, now more than ever, play within the system. He takes what the defense gives him and when he goes deep it is to 1 on 1 coverage or the guy is open. You don't see those lame duck passes from Favre anymore. Favre in his younger years never stayed in the system and always thought he could fit it in there, leading to a lot of unnecessary INT's in the red zone and on 1st down.

I doubt TT ran BF out of town until August of 2008. If BF never retired it's quite possible he'd still be our starter. If TT wanted to get rid of BF and play is boy AR why didn't he trade #4 after the lousy 2005 season? But I'd love to know why Favre couldn't/wouldn't play within the system when he was here? Did it take him 16 years to figure that out?

I don't think it is fair to either player to compare BF to AR. BF has years of experience reading defenses and AR has only, what, 27 starts to his career? It will make more sense to do this after both fellas are done playing and we can look back at the entire body of work for both.

Fuck if I know why Favre couldn't play within the system. But just look at his INT totals over the years. He was taking risks his whole career when he should have been taking the check down or taking what the defense gives you. This is the first year EVER that that is all he's done and look how good his stats are.

[mraynrand]

The Favre/Rodgers comparisons are failing to recognize the dramatic improvements in Favre. He took a monster step forward in 2007 and another monster step this year. I believe his time away from football has given him a new mindset. He has realized his own limits and is now playing within those limits. Until the last few years I'd much prefer to have the Aaron Rodgers over the player Favre was for most of his career.

The arguments against Rodgers are getting thinner and thinner. He might now be Peyton Manning but IMO he's at least as good as Big Ben and asking for more than that is just being greedy.

Time away from football?

[MJZiggy]

The Favre/Rodgers comparisons are failing to recognize the dramatic improvements in Favre. He took a monster step forward in 2007 and another monster step this year. I believe his time away from football has given him a new mindset. He has realized his own limits and is now playing within those limits. Until the last few years I'd much prefer to have the Aaron Rodgers over the player Favre was for most of his career.

The arguments against Rodgers are getting thinner and thinner. He might now be Peyton Manning but IMO he's at least as good as Big Ben and asking for more than that is just being greedy.

Time away from football?

Yes, the offseason while the rest of the team is working.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

The Favre/Rodgers comparisons are failing to recognize the dramatic improvements in Favre. He took a monster step forward in 2007 and another monster step this year. I believe his time away from football has given him a new mindset. He has realized his own limits and is now playing within those limits. Until the last few years I'd much prefer to have the Aaron Rodgers over the player Favre was for most of his career.

The arguments against Rodgers are getting thinner and thinner. He might now be Peyton Manning but IMO he's at least as good as Big Ben and asking for more than that is just being greedy.

Time away from football?

Yes, the offseason while the rest of the team is working.

Hey, it takes a lot of time to shoot Wranglers and Sears commercials! And of course, the offseason waffling that we've all come to expect since 2005(or was it earlier? I've tuned it out since).

[bobblehead]

I disagree that we took a step back and I also don't think Favre would be playing so well if he was still with the Packers.

Favre in Green Bay could do no wrong. Yes, we all screamed at the TV at the stupid INT's but if he was still in Green Bay, we would excuse it for all the plays he made.

TT shipped Favre outta town and he wanted to prove to TT he could still do it. He got hurt in New York and from then I think he realized he couldn't make all the throws. That along with wanting to get back at TT has made Favre, now more than ever, play within the system. He takes what the defense gives him and when he goes deep it is to 1 on 1 coverage or the guy is open. You don't see those lame duck passes from Favre anymore. Favre in his younger years never stayed in the system and always thought he could fit it in there, leading to a lot of unnecessary INT's in the red zone and on 1st down.

I doubt TT ran BF out of town until August of 2008. If BF never retired it's quite possible he'd still be our starter. If TT wanted to get rid of BF and play is boy AR why didn't he trade #4 after the lousy 2005 season? But I'd love to know why Favre couldn't/wouldn't play within the system when he was here? Did it take him 16 years to figure that out?

I don't think it is fair to either player to compare BF to AR. BF has years of experience reading defenses and AR has only, what, 27 starts to his career? It will make more sense to do this after both fellas are done playing and we can look back at the entire body of work for both.

Fuck if I know why Favre couldn't play within the system. But just look at his INT totals over the years. He was taking risks his whole career when he should have been taking the check down or taking what the defense gives you. This is the first year EVER that that is all he's done and look how good his stats are.

chan, you nailed it like a cheap date. MM BEGGED BF to play the way he is for minny right now, and BF pouted. If BF thinks he is proving anything other than "MM was right all along and I'm a spoiled brat" then he is more self deluded than I thought.

ANYONE who wants to prove me wrong, point out the last 11 game stretch where BF threw anywhere NEAR 3 interceptions....wait, it was probably with atlanta

Your post should have been a threadkiller my man.

[MOBB DEEP]

Yes, the offseason while the rest of the team is working.

He's always busy polishing his 3 MVP trophies and making room for his fourth

Why be off-season warrior at age 93?

Even God rested so shouldnt Lord?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Yes, the offseason while the rest of the team is working.

He's always busy polishing his 3 MVP trophies and making room for his fourth

Why be off-season warrior at age 93?

Even God rested so shouldnt Lord?

Thou shalt not worship false idols.

[MOBB DEEP]

Yes, the offseason while the rest of the team is working.

He's always busy polishing his 3 MVP trophies and making room for his fourth

Why be off-season warrior at age 93?

Even God rested so shouldnt Lord?

Thou shalt not worship false idols.

[sharpe1027]

Partial has been right up until now IMO. Stats aside, until recently I don't think Rodgers has done as good of job as we're used to, leading a team to points and long drives.

Wow, and all this time I just need to realize that Partial's point was just that "Rodgers isn't yet as good Favre." I must have missed that in posts about Rodgers being average. About Rodgers being a product of the system. About Rodgers being boosted by all the talent around him. About Rodgers not being as good as Culter (must have been a typo and meant Favre). About Rodger's number being boosted by YAC. About YAC stats not mattering.

I can't imagine how I got the impression that Partial was saying something more than just Rodger's isn't yet as good as one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.

No shit he isn't yet as good a first-ballot HoF QB. To think, all this time I totally agreed with Partial and never new it....

Moving on please. Please.

[RashanGary]

Well, in favor to Partial, with the way the Packers decided to move on from Favre, the comparison should be to Favre.

Not that Rodgers deserves it, but MM and TT do.

[ThunderDan]

Well, in favor to Partial, with the way the Packers decided to move on from Favre, the comparison should be to Favre.

Not that Rodgers deserves it, but MM and TT do.

No it shouldn't. It should be how well he plays with the talent around him.

As much as people bitch about W and L, ARod doesn't play defense and he can't stop our Special Teams drastic loss of field position every week be it return or coverage.