Players do not want to come to GB?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As of 2009 opening day rosters approximately 65% of NFL players are African-American, which includes players of "mixed-race" background as well as Samoan and Polynesian decent.

Might just seem like more since you don't really see the white players on the bench during the game.

Man, sure doesnt seem that way watching the games. D might have a MLB, DL and S that is White. Offense would be the QB, a few OL, maybe the FB and of course the token White WR (Jordy ).

I guess that would be about 65%.

The packers have 10 of 22 starters white (If the white FB is starting). This is higher than 35% therefore I believe you are right mad...Black dudes just don't want to come to GB.

Don't be an ass.

You are smart enough to know that anyone with a brain can see that your facts have a whole wide enough to drive a bus through them.

And, why do you list starters..why is that?

Clue: How many of those black players arrived through free agency?

[mraynrand]

It wasn't by accident that Wolf instituted a different food for the training table...southern style/soul food, brought in a barber that knew how to cut black men's hair, etc.

I thought Holmgren was responsible for that.

I am stunned this thread continues for 3 pages. The reasons players don't want to come to GB are consistent and legendary. If you grew up in a black community in the South and were asked if you wanted to play in an small town all-white place in the very cold north, what would you say? If you came from a bigger metro area regardless of your color, where would you want to go? If you wanted to live near a metro area with lots of entertainment options, would you want to live in GB? In the realm of 'mysteries of the sporting world' the desire of NFL players to be anywhere other than GB is about as mysterious as what happens when you let go of a ball. Even so, just because players prefer to play elsewhere doesn't mean they won't play in GB, play well, and like it there OK. Just don't be so absurdly foolish to think that GB isn't generally unattractive to young men in college or playing in the NFL. It would be interesting to poll the general public and see how they compare. I bet it would be pretty close to the football players.


P.S. this thread sucks

[Brando19]

If only black people don't wanna play in Green Bay...does that mean Ryan Longwell is black?

[MJZiggy]

If only black people don't wanna play in Green Bay...does that mean Ryan Longwell is black?

Yes. But it's a secret. Don't tell his wife.

[Badgerinmaine]

And, Detroit, despite a crappy org has a strong black community. Perhaps you've heard of a little business called MoTown Records.

Why, yes, I have heard of Motown Records. I believe they moved to Los Angeles about 35 years ago.

[Brandon494]

If only black people don't wanna play in Green Bay...does that mean Ryan Longwell is black?

Yes. But it's a secret. Don't tell his wife.

Oh his wife knows, just don't tell her dad.

[MJZiggy]

If only black people don't wanna play in Green Bay...does that mean Ryan Longwell is black?

Yes. But it's a secret. Don't tell his wife.

Oh his wife knows, just don't tell her dad.

[MichiganPackerFan]

The list is directly related to tax rates.

Any wonder why California, New York, Michigan, and Wisconsin are rated high?

Florida has no state income taxes and many players live there in the off season.

Nothing personal, it is just business.

Im not sure I agree with this, but I'm sure it has some affect?

What are the individual tax rates in WI?

It also matters what the rates are in MN, IL & MI because in general, a Packers player's W-2 income would be taxed 1/2 to WI, 1/16 to IL, 1/16 to MN and 1/16 to MI each year and the remainder to where the last 5 away games are played, 1/16th each. Playoffs may distort those percentages too. Investment income would generally taxed to state of residence, but there may be some sourcing rules.

[ThunderDan]

The list is directly related to tax rates.

Any wonder why California, New York, Michigan, and Wisconsin are rated high?

Florida has no state income taxes and many players live there in the off season.

Nothing personal, it is just business.

Im not sure I agree with this, but I'm sure it has some affect?

What are the individual tax rates in WI?

It also matters what the rates are in MN, IL & MI because in general, a Packers player's W-2 income would be taxed 1/2 to WI, 1/16 to IL, 1/16 to MN and 1/16 to MI each year and the remainder to where the last 5 away games are played, 1/16th each. Playoffs may distort those percentages too. Investment income would generally taxed to state of residence, but there may be some sourcing rules.

MPF-

I know you work at a CPA firm but be careful with your advise.

Any income earned by a Wisconsin resident is taxable in the state of WI no matter where it was earned. WI gives a credit back for taxes paid to other states. We also have reciprocity IL and MN and maybe MI but I am too lazy this morning to look that up.

WI tax rate is 6.75% for high income folk. Plus our 5+% sales tax.

[MichiganPackerFan]

The list is directly related to tax rates.

Any wonder why California, New York, Michigan, and Wisconsin are rated high?

Florida has no state income taxes and many players live there in the off season.

Nothing personal, it is just business.

Im not sure I agree with this, but I'm sure it has some affect?

What are the individual tax rates in WI?

It also matters what the rates are in MN, IL & MI because in general, a Packers player's W-2 income would be taxed 1/2 to WI, 1/16 to IL, 1/16 to MN and 1/16 to MI each year and the remainder to where the last 5 away games are played, 1/16th each. Playoffs may distort those percentages too. Investment income would generally taxed to state of residence, but there may be some sourcing rules.

MPF-

I know you work at a CPA firm but be careful with your advise.

Any income earned by a Wisconsin resident is taxable in the state of WI no matter where it was earned. WI gives a credit back for taxes paid to other states. We also have reciprocity IL and MN and maybe MI but I am too lazy this morning to look that up.

WI tax rate is 6.75% for high income folk. Plus our 5+% sales tax.

NO ADVICE GIVEN. (Thus the "in general" disclaimer!) Residency could be a tricky issue for sure. Regardless if it is a credit given for taxes paid or apportioning of income before, the result is roughly the same. However, the reciprocity is a definite thing to consider. I know there are substantial cases covering athletes and their income does tend to be spread out to multiple states. I haven't done personal returns in years, so my comments are simply scratching the surface of the issue.

[ThunderDan]

The list is directly related to tax rates.

Any wonder why California, New York, Michigan, and Wisconsin are rated high?

Florida has no state income taxes and many players live there in the off season.

Nothing personal, it is just business.

Im not sure I agree with this, but I'm sure it has some affect?

What are the individual tax rates in WI?

It also matters what the rates are in MN, IL & MI because in general, a Packers player's W-2 income would be taxed 1/2 to WI, 1/16 to IL, 1/16 to MN and 1/16 to MI each year and the remainder to where the last 5 away games are played, 1/16th each. Playoffs may distort those percentages too. Investment income would generally taxed to state of residence, but there may be some sourcing rules.

MPF-

I know you work at a CPA firm but be careful with your advise.

Any income earned by a Wisconsin resident is taxable in the state of WI no matter where it was earned. WI gives a credit back for taxes paid to other states. We also have reciprocity IL and MN and maybe MI but I am too lazy this morning to look that up.

WI tax rate is 6.75% for high income folk. Plus our 5+% sales tax.

NO ADVICE GIVEN. (Thus the "in general" disclaimer!) Residency could be a tricky issue for sure. Regardless if it is a credit given for taxes paid or apportioning of income before, the result is roughly the same. However, the reciprocity is a definite thing to consider. I know there are substantial cases covering athletes and their income does tend to be spread out to multiple states. I haven't done personal returns in years, so my comments are simply scratching the surface of the issue.

Try dealing with a Poker Pro who wins money all over the world! Yeah, yeah, that's a great 20 hour project to make sure income isn't double tax at home or abroad.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

didn't think this thread could get any worse. Ty was wrong.

Accountants discussing accounting. Ugh.

[ThunderDan]

didn't think this thread could get any worse. Ty was wrong.

Accountants discussing accounting. Ugh.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I PMed after to save you from more.

[HowardRoark]

Taxes??!?!

That's hilarious...

I'm still laughing.

We've gone over this a million times here... same conclusion every time.

Is the conclusion that pro players are taxed at the state rate everytime they play a game in a given state regardless of where they live?

edit: sorry, didn't work my way down to the CPA discussion.

[bobblehead]

To be up there with four of the WORST teams in the NFL tells you everything you need to know. None of these young, mostly Black males wants to live around what they perceive to be racist/hick/redneck/cracka people. Even if the Packers are a playoff caliber team. Probably doesnt help that the GM is a cheapskate at times. Also doesnt help that the fatass coach is keeping his job while eating all the food at the team buffet table.

Funny, I didn't see the poll broken down by race. I must have missed that part.

Funny, I didn't see you pretending to be ignorant.

Last I checked the majority of players are Black. Not all but way more than half for sure.

And again, for all you know the blacks rated it higher than the whites so race has NOTHING to do with the ratings. Like I said, its not broken down by race so your ugly conclusion is based on your bias and nothing else.

Pretending it isn't an issue doesn't make you right.

The facts are the facts..and we have REPEATED examples of black players ON THE RECORD not wanting to play in GB.

It wasn't by accident that Wolf instituted a different food for the training table...southern style/soul food, brought in a barber that knew how to cut black men's hair, etc.

It must be nice to live in your fantasy world...it is just coincidence that minorities don't live in GB.

Ty, I honestly believe that race issues don't play into how most players answered this, the fact that it is a small boring town is the factor. I'm not pretending when I say I don't think its an issue.