Official Packer/Steeler Thread

[gbgary]

with minn getting beat this loss is even harder to swallow. ugh!!

[Packers4Ever]

I'm just not that pissed. Played a good team on the road when they had everything to play for, and we lost on the last play. Oh well! In the end it probably won't matter one bit that we lost this game--provided we beat Seattle next week. If we lose to Seattle, then I will be pissed.

Funny, I'm not either, I halfway expected a game like this, they just about HAD to pull one out, with their recent record. We'll go on and win the next 2, see what happens then....

It's the Crosby thing that galls me !! One bad kick.........

can't just blame it on the one kick. that isn't that only chance we had to win the game.


there were about a dozen plays on the last drive where if any of them had gone our way we would have one

I Know it, Red, there were other chances, it's just that I was irked over the
missed kick, it should not keep happening. Oh well, next week it's
another game. We'll do GREAT then.

[pbmax]

Wow, radio caller just made a great point

if jones takes a knee at the 1 instead of scoring the touchdowns. you could take a large chunk of time off the clock, and maybe make the steelers burn a timeout

all we needed was a fg to win.

kneel down 3 times and you take the clock to a minute and kick the fG.

give the ball back with under a minute and no timeouts

great points the guy brought up

Maurice Jones Drew did this two or three weeks ago. Would have been better. Even if all three rush attempts fail, chip shot FG for the lead.

[pbmax]

But what if there's a fumble on one of those plays? What if the field goal is blocked?

Nah, you don't pass up a chance to score six.

But in that case, the clock and your spent defense are just behind the score in importance. Its worth the risk considering the gain. Think about the Steelers having the ball with no timeouts and under 2 minutes.

[Scott Campbell]

Nice run gex.

[channtheman]

with minn getting beat this loss is even harder to swallow. ugh!!

One ref call from being in the division race with 2 to go! Oh well...

[Badgerinmaine]

can't just blame it on the one kick. that isn't that only chance we had to win the game.

there were about a dozen plays on the last drive where if any of them had gone our way we would have one

I completely agree--and I agree that Bell had excellent coverage on the TD pass--it just was one heckuva pass by Big Ben.

[Freak Out]

Wow.....there is some crazy stuff in here. I have to admit I couldn't watch the last play even though I thought we had it won. The penalties on us were maddening and the non calls on the Steelers just made it worse....but you need to dial up one play to stop them and fail........ugh.

[Fritz]

But what if there's a fumble on one of those plays? What if the field goal is blocked?

Nah, you don't pass up a chance to score six.

But in that case, the clock and your spent defense are just behind the score in importance. Its worth the risk considering the gain. Think about the Steelers having the ball with no timeouts and under 2 minutes.

I still think the risk is greater than the reward. You're saying that a player who has a chance to score the go ahead touchdown - not field goal, but touchdown - should pass on that? Again, the risks are too great. A fumble. A blocked kick. Heck, the way Crosby is kicking, a missed kick. Then you're behind.

Nah, you've got to take the six. Let your defense play defense.

[Bretsky]

But what if there's a fumble on one of those plays? What if the field goal is blocked?

Nah, you don't pass up a chance to score six.

But in that case, the clock and your spent defense are just behind the score in importance. Its worth the risk considering the gain. Think about the Steelers having the ball with no timeouts and under 2 minutes.

I still think the risk is greater than the reward. You're saying that a player who has a chance to score the go ahead touchdown - not field goal, but touchdown - should pass on that? Again, the risks are too great. A fumble. A blocked kick. Heck, the way Crosby is kicking, a missed kick. Then you're behind.

Nah, you've got to take the six. Let your defense play defense.

I see both sided, but personally I'd have more faith in Crosby Kicking it in that our secondary stopping Big Ben the way that game was going.

[sheepshead]

But what if there's a fumble on one of those plays? What if the field goal is blocked?

Nah, you don't pass up a chance to score six.

But in that case, the clock and your spent defense are just behind the score in importance. Its worth the risk considering the gain. Think about the Steelers having the ball with no timeouts and under 2 minutes.

I still think the risk is greater than the reward. You're saying that a player who has a chance to score the go ahead touchdown - not field goal, but touchdown - should pass on that? Again, the risks are too great. A fumble. A blocked kick. Heck, the way Crosby is kicking, a missed kick. Then you're behind.

Nah, you've got to take the six. Let your defense play defense.

Agreed. Play football for Pets sake. The Achilles Heal of this Packer team is penalties. Cut those down and you don't put competitors like Tomlin, Ben et al in a position where they think they can beat you and ultimately do.

[jmbarnes101]

But what if there's a fumble on one of those plays? What if the field goal is blocked?

Nah, you don't pass up a chance to score six.

But in that case, the clock and your spent defense are just behind the score in importance. Its worth the risk considering the gain. Think about the Steelers having the ball with no timeouts and under 2 minutes.

I still think the risk is greater than the reward. You're saying that a player who has a chance to score the go ahead touchdown - not field goal, but touchdown - should pass on that? Again, the risks are too great. A fumble. A blocked kick. Heck, the way Crosby is kicking, a missed kick. Then you're behind.

Nah, you've got to take the six. Let your defense play defense.

I agree with Fritz in this situation. Not to mention he still would have had a minute and only needed to get into field goal position with Jeff Reed available. He's a great kicker in that place. A couple of passes and they're setting up for the FG to win it that way. We had a better chance trying to get a stop and couldn't get it done.

[Fritz]

But what if there's a fumble on one of those plays? What if the field goal is blocked?

Nah, you don't pass up a chance to score six.

But in that case, the clock and your spent defense are just behind the score in importance. Its worth the risk considering the gain. Think about the Steelers having the ball with no timeouts and under 2 minutes.

I still think the risk is greater than the reward. You're saying that a player who has a chance to score the go ahead touchdown - not field goal, but touchdown - should pass on that? Again, the risks are too great. A fumble. A blocked kick. Heck, the way Crosby is kicking, a missed kick. Then you're behind.

Nah, you've got to take the six. Let your defense play defense.

I agree with Fritz in this situation. Not to mention he still would have had a minute and only needed to get into field goal position with Jeff Reed available. He's a great kicker in that place. A couple of passes and they're setting up for the FG to win it that way. We had a better chance trying to get a stop and couldn't get it done.

This is also a good point. Instead of making Pittsburgh have to get to the end zone, you leave them only having to get to about the 25 yard line.

I learned this lesson many years ago, in another life, when I coached boys' basketball. We were undefeated - about 10 - 0 - and up by one at the end of a game but were having a hard time playing defense. However, the other team's point guard was a terrible, terrible free throw shooter. I told my guys to foul him on the inbounds and make him shoot free throws. He was like 0 - 6 at that point and had a season average in about the 40th percentile.

The kids did as I instructed, the opposing point guard hit two - count 'em, two - free throws, and suddenly the pressure was on my kids to score with about six seconds left. We lost, and I learned a valuable lesson.

[The Leaper]

Wow, radio caller just made a great point

if jones takes a knee at the 1 instead of scoring the touchdowns. you could take a large chunk of time off the clock, and maybe make the steelers burn a timeout

all we needed was a fg to win.

kneel down 3 times and you take the clock to a minute and kick the fG.

give the ball back with under a minute and no timeouts

great points the guy brought up

I agree that is a potential possibility...and with the Steelers already racking up 400+ yards in passing offense, it probably would've been the best choice. I knew they were going to get at least a couple shots at the end zone...and Big Ben is ridiculous at making plays in those situations.

At the very least, Jones should've stood at the goal line and let time run down as far as possible before scoring. We got screwed on the change of possession, because the Steelers got an extra time out when we tackled their returner at 2:01. That would've eliminated the last :03

[imscott72]

But what if there's a fumble on one of those plays? What if the field goal is blocked?

Nah, you don't pass up a chance to score six.

But in that case, the clock and your spent defense are just behind the score in importance. Its worth the risk considering the gain. Think about the Steelers having the ball with no timeouts and under 2 minutes.

I still think the risk is greater than the reward. You're saying that a player who has a chance to score the go ahead touchdown - not field goal, but touchdown - should pass on that? Again, the risks are too great. A fumble. A blocked kick. Heck, the way Crosby is kicking, a missed kick. Then you're behind.

Nah, you've got to take the six. Let your defense play defense.

I see both sided, but personally I'd have more faith in Crosby Kicking it in that our secondary stopping Big Ben the way that game was going.

I do to, and you can rule out the fumbles because you could just take a knee or even kick it on 3rd down should something go wrong. I know it's against conventional thinking, but in hindsight it might have worked.