Packer Pro Bowl Snubs

[RashanGary]

Grant has really grown on me. He''s very durable, runs very hard and he has top end speed.

He's not nifty, so he doesn't get as many intermediate runs (avoiding tacklers) but he is fast so he gets long runs and is tough so he does well in short runs.

If we had a star, I'd be happy to replace him, but I'm in no hurry. He's a damn good player.

[channtheman]

Snake, I have to disagree with what you're getting at. Why would someone not care (or not run hard) the first 13 games of the year, and then only try to run hard when they realize they are close to a bonus? Or maybe I should say it like this, he had to get 1200 yards before Sunday's game. You don't think he ever tried to get those yards? He just started trying when he knew he was in reach of the bonus? I don't know if I'm getting my point across, but hopefully you'll see what I'm saying.

I agree Grant is only average, and "good" at best and we should upgrade when we can, but I disagree that he only just started running harder than he ever did.

[packerbacker1234]

Orakpo is good...


but if mathews had those 3 extra games under his belt... the numbers wouldn't even be close.

[mission]

Grant's bonus was 1.5 million. Not "several million" as you said.

You kiddin Snake? You got a problem with a guy who has an incentive-based contract -- and who barely missed out on those incentives in the past -- to get a little $1.5 million for coming on strong at the end?

Maybe I'd believe all this if Grant hasn't shown us for three straight seasons that he gets better as the season goes on. This one has been no different.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Snake veering very close to Partial territory.

[mission]

Snake veering very close to Partial territory.

At least we know Snake was probably wasted late at night and got a little into it. Partial, I'm not sure that's the issue there.

[Scott Campbell]

I sorta miss Partial.

Flame away.

[SnakeLH2006]

Snake veering very close to Partial territory.

At least we know Snake was probably wasted late at night and got a little into it. Partial, I'm not sure that's the issue there.

Ty is veering dangerously close to CPK territory.

Either way, Grant still isn't that great. Replace him at some point. Matthews is a beast.

[Gunakor]

One should mention that since he first became a starter halfway through the 2007 season the only RB in the NFL with more rushing yards than Ryan Grant is Adrian Peterson. That's a 40 game sample. I would think that's big enough, eh?

Grant isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he gets the job done. Not the best in the league, but up there. Top 10 in rushing, 2 years in a row, and the second most yards rushing over the past 40 games. That sucks in your opinion Snake? I'll take that in a heartbeat. That shit ain't easy.

[SnakeLH2006]

One should mention that since he first became a starter halfway through the 2007 season the only RB in the NFL with more rushing yards than Ryan Grant is Adrian Peterson. That's a 40 game sample. I would think that's big enough, eh?

Grant isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he gets the job done. Not the best in the league, but up there. Top 10 in rushing, 2 years in a row, and the second most yards rushing over the past 40 games. That sucks in your opinion Snake? I'll take that in a heartbeat. That shit ain't easy.

Yeah, thanks for the post, Gun, buddy. I didn't notice you had posted and spent the last 10 min. editing my own post for Ty reasons without knowledge you had posted that making my post look like shit with the edits.

Thanks....Grant is not shit. But my point was his running hard to get his bonus.

He ran hard all year, but I saw a 6th gear (as my buddies did too I grill out with and watch the games with) in the past 3 games. Noone showed MORE effort that Grant did in the last game as he did to get that 1253rd yard to get his 1250. He ran with reckless abandon with eagle eyes to get it. He's not terrrible, but that's what we saw. He ran CRAZY esp. in the last game to get a couple million of bonus money in a game that meant nothing. ...Like REALLY HARD. Watch the game again....his feet/arms/legs were doing crazy shit as you are not coherent if you don't think he was aware of the 1250 million dollar plateau or showed crazy smilies when he got it after a meaningless run.

[Gunakor]

One should mention that since he first became a starter halfway through the 2007 season the only RB in the NFL with more rushing yards than Ryan Grant is Adrian Peterson. That's a 40 game sample. I would think that's big enough, eh?

Grant isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he gets the job done. Not the best in the league, but up there. Top 10 in rushing, 2 years in a row, and the second most yards rushing over the past 40 games. That sucks in your opinion Snake? I'll take that in a heartbeat. That shit ain't easy.

Yeah, thanks for the post, Gun, buddy. I didn't notice you had posted and spent the last 10 min. editing my own post for Ty reasons without knowledge you had posted that making my post look like shit with the edits.

Thanks....Grant is not shit. But my point was his running hard to get his bonus.

He ran hard all year, but I saw a 6th gear (as my buddies did too I grill out with and watch the games with) in the past 3 games. Noone showed MORE effort that Grant did in the last game as he did to get that 1253rd yard to get his 1250. He ran with reckless abandon with eagle eyes to get it. He's not terrrible, but that's what we saw. He ran CRAZY esp. in the last game to get a couple million of bonus money in a game that meant nothing. ...Like REALLY HARD. Watch the game again....his feet/arms/legs were doing crazy shit as you are not coherent if you don't think he was aware of the 1250 million dollar plateau or showed crazy smilies when he got it after a meaningless run.

That's where my 40 game sample comes in. It's not just the last 3 games I'm talking about. He's been doing it for quite some time now. You don't get 3300 yards in 40 games by only giving effort in a select few of them. Otherwise there'd be dozens of backs doing it. Over the last 40 games the only 2 backs in the league with that many rushing yards are Grant and Peterson. That alone should be enough to convince anyone.

Now I'm not implying that Grant is the 2nd best back in the NFL, just that he's been the 2nd most productive from a yardage standpoint. And when you look at his yardage totals from one year to the next, he's also one of the most consistent.

[SnakeLH2006]

Grant has been solid. But, he's getting old soon. But I hear ya. He's been good, but I saw his Roger Craig-esque performance in the last game and his giddy smiles. You think at 29 he's gonna do the same or can we try some new drafted blood? I'm all for it, but understand your viewpoint, Gun. Regardless, Grant is no Pro-Bowler or elite specimen...stats be damned.

I'd still like to replace Grant with a young back in the next year.....and Ty with a new poster with a positive view for once, that doesn't drop negative barbs on everyone's posts.

[mraynrand]

One should mention that since he first became a starter halfway through the 2007 season the only RB in the NFL with more rushing yards than Ryan Grant is Adrian Peterson. That's a 40 game sample. I would think that's big enough, eh?

Grant isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he gets the job done. Not the best in the league, but up there. Top 10 in rushing, 2 years in a row, and the second most yards rushing over the past 40 games. That sucks in your opinion Snake? I'll take that in a heartbeat. That shit ain't easy.

Yeah, thanks for the post, Gun, buddy. I didn't notice you had posted and spent the last 10 min. editing my own post for Ty reasons without knowledge you had posted that making my post look like shit with the edits.

Thanks....Grant is not shit. But my point was his running hard to get his bonus.

He ran hard all year, but I saw a 6th gear (as my buddies did too I grill out with and watch the games with) in the past 3 games. Noone showed MORE effort that Grant did in the last game as he did to get that 1253rd yard to get his 1250. He ran with reckless abandon with eagle eyes to get it. He's not terrrible, but that's what we saw. He ran CRAZY esp. in the last game to get a couple million of bonus money in a game that meant nothing. ...Like REALLY HARD. Watch the game again....his feet/arms/legs were doing crazy shit as you are not coherent if you don't think he was aware of the 1250 million dollar plateau or showed crazy smilies when he got it after a meaningless run.

That's where my 40 game sample comes in. It's not just the last 3 games I'm talking about. He's been doing it for quite some time now. You don't get 3300 yards in 40 games by only giving effort in a select few of them. Otherwise there'd be dozens of backs doing it. Over the last 40 games the only 2 backs in the league with that many rushing yards are Grant and Peterson. That alone should be enough to convince anyone.

Now I'm not implying that Grant is the 2nd best back in the NFL, just that he's been the 2nd most productive from a yardage standpoint. And when you look at his yardage totals from one year to the next, he's also one of the most consistent.

I agree with both of you. Consistent, hard-running back, pad level too high, more of a hammer, less elusive, less vision, was running like man possessed and giddy as shit to get that bonus. Who wouldn't be?