Off Season Decisions to be made for 2010.

[Smidgeon]

Re: Off Season Decisions to be made for 2010.

For McCarthy:

Campen?
- Consistency may be more important than trying to hit a homerun on someone new.

Actually, its the consistency that I am concerned with, but not the same way you are considering it.

Every year the line has performed poorly the first half of the season.
A raft of young players have been brought in, and seem to stay the same as when they arrive. Little development or improvement.

I don't like that type of consistency.

This year's struggles really seemed to be about Barbre, and quite frankly he did improve. Also, it's not fair to discount how well Lang developed/played.

IDK, the line held up well in the second half. Bringing in someone else has a risk of worsening the situation rather than improving it. In this particular case, I'm not sure you rock the boat.

Maybe they can bring in a relatively unproven coach with upside to work under Campen for a year and then make a decision.

Just Barbre at RT? Not LT where Clifton was rusty early in the season? Or LT when Clifton was hurt? Or LG when Clifton wasn't hurt? The whole O-line (except RG and maybe C) was very shaky early, and it wasn't just Barbre. He was the biggest aggrevient but certainly not the sole aggrevient.

[Bretsky]

Kampman has no trade value and might not be worth the tag for us either. Personally I don't think the 3-4 was the problem, I have a feeling he'd have had a disappointing year in any scheme. He's just not the guy he used to be. His presence handcuffs the defense since his actual pass rush isn't good enough to justify sending him instead of CM3 on 90% of plays.

I completely agree with this

I don't think we could get much more than a fourth or fifth round pick for Kampman. If he was healthy we'd do well.

His injury probably makes it more likely he'll be back in Green Bay. I hope TT treats him fairly and offers him a decent one year deal. He's a Packer person.

It seems like the right thing to do. He's done everything right for the Packers and he's coming back from an injury that damaged his hopes of breaking the bank.

[Fritz]

I must say that the Pittsburgh and Arizona playoff games really threw me for a loop regarding decisions to make.

How do you fix those performances - that is, was that a talent shortage and if so, where? This defense seems able to stop the run well, but in what is becoming a pass-crazy league, given the rules, it seems paramount to be able to play pass defense, specifically, pressuring the QB and keeping him in the pocket.

If you had an entire defensive backfield of Charles Woodsons, you'd still get burned by a good QB with good receivers and with time to throw.

But what does that mean for Green Bay? I thought the defensive line supposedly played well and was not responsible for the actual pass rush but for eating up blockers and pushing the pocket. But did they not have enough talent on the line?

Or is it the linebacking corps? I thought Matthews was quite good, Barnett seemed like a demon most of the season once he got his sea legs, Jones flashed at times, and Hawk was okay. So was there not enough talent there; if not, where? Inside or outside or both?

Like I said, those two games just confused me regarding what this team's defensive needs actually are.

Anybody?

[Bretsky]

I must say that the Pittsburgh and Arizona playoff games really threw me for a loop regarding decisions to make.

How do you fix those performances - that is, was that a talent shortage and if so, where? This defense seems able to stop the run well, but in what is becoming a pass-crazy league, given the rules, it seems paramount to be able to play pass defense, specifically, pressuring the QB and keeping him in the pocket.

If you had an entire defensive backfield of Charles Woodsons, you'd still get burned by a good QB with good receivers and with time to throw.

But what does that mean for Green Bay? I thought the defensive line supposedly played well and was not responsible for the actual pass rush but for eating up blockers and pushing the pocket. But did they not have enough talent on the line?

Or is it the linebacking corps? I thought Matthews was quite good, Barnett seemed like a demon most of the season once he got his sea legs, Jones flashed at times, and Hawk was okay. So was there not enough talent there; if not, where? Inside or outside or both?

Like I said, those two games just confused me regarding what this team's defensive needs actually are.

Anybody?

Taking a wist like approach, our secondary seems devoid of talent beyond our top four players.

Al Harris...he's part of the reason Woody was allowed to roam free and make some of those plays. We need him back and healthy
Woody....great player
Williams...Decent player...average starter...maybe a bit above average
Collins..... Very Solid....not superstar, but a soft pro bowler

IF the Cup is full where is the rest of the juice coming from ?

Partick Lee....developmental
Blackmond...is he really any more than a fifth/sixth DB who plays ST ?
Bush........... not even going there
Bigby...........average starter if you want to be generous; I'm not that generous
Derrick Martin..upgrade of Bush...fifth/sixth DB and ST demon
Bell................please
The Italian Stallion...never want to see him on the field

One could argue we have three ideal sixth DB's who play specials teams and we're trying to find a spot for all of them.

New Orleans took a different strategy in attacking the lack of depth in their secondary. Who knows if it will work or not; we will see. I think it's a necessity that we shore up the quality in that area via either FA, the draft, or both.

The AZ game is just a nightmare to watch; I watched it again last night on the NFL Network

Jenkins was invisible; Raji was mince meat. Pickett looked tired. Jolly sub par. I'm not sure we need another guy there but these guys played poorly. We definitely can't afford to lose one of them.

Hawk.........did I miss something or why was he a Pro Bowl Alternative ??
Perhaps he's a guy TTT tries to trade

I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER PASS RUSHER SOMEWHERE.......BUT BOY DID THAT SECONDARY MAKE IS EASY ON KURT WARNER

[arcilite]

I want a new punter.

I can't even stand Kapinos's posture...the way he stands. He just looks goofy and like he doesn't belong.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Off Season Decisions to be made for 2010.

Just Barbre at RT? Not LT where Clifton was rusty early in the season? Or LT when Clifton was hurt? Or LG when Clifton wasn't hurt? The whole O-line (except RG and maybe C) was very shaky early, and it wasn't just Barbre. He was the biggest aggrevient but certainly not the sole aggrevient.

No, not just Barbre at RT. He was not the sole aggrevient.

Have any insight on the decision regarding Campen?

[Smidgeon]

Re: Off Season Decisions to be made for 2010.

Just Barbre at RT? Not LT where Clifton was rusty early in the season? Or LT when Clifton was hurt? Or LG when Clifton wasn't hurt? The whole O-line (except RG and maybe C) was very shaky early, and it wasn't just Barbre. He was the biggest aggrevient but certainly not the sole aggrevient.

No, not just Barbre at RT. He was not the sole aggrevient.

Have any insight on the decision regarding Campen?

You mean the so far non-decision? Ugh. Wish they'd replace him. Where Beightol when you need him?