Kiper Mock 2.0

[packrulz]

I wonder what TT thinks of Taylor Mays? South Cal had a bad year but I like him. Size/speed is perfect and he hits like a truck.

[hurleyfan]

Yeah, but what is the recent record of Iowa offensive lineman? I can't get Gallery out of my head.

Hasn't the line of thinking switched from "Ferentz gets them NFL ready" to "Ferentz has already maxed them out"?

Could we add Ross Verba to this list? Came from Iowa right?

[Smidgeon]

I wonder what TT thinks of Taylor Mays? South Cal had a bad year but I like him. Size/speed is perfect and he hits like a truck.

And tackles like Cromartie... Seriously though, the knock I'm hearing is that as athletic as he is, he doesn't have the instinct to back it up and would rather hit a guy hard than secure and tackle.

[Smidgeon]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

wasn't Michael Oher drafted 23 or something like that??

He was, but because of his learning disability, some people weren't convinced he could learn the position well enough. At least, that's what I heard. Some people had him ranked in the top 10, some at the bottom of round 1. He wasn't (pre-draft) a consensus top tackle like Smith, Jason whats-his-name, etc.

Vikings also got Loadholt in the 2nd round so to say we can't find a tackle with the #23 pick is not true. Just because we can't get the top tackle prospect in the draft doesn't mean we can't draft a starter with the 23rd pick.

I can pretty much guarntee you that we will not draft a LB with our 1st round pick and you can quote me on that.

Isn't Loadholt playing RT?

Yea but he was also a 2nd round pick.

Also Lang showed last season that he can handle playing LT.

We had two rookies playing OLB last season who did a damn good job, why are we going to use another 1st round pick on a OLB when he more important areas of need. Sure we can improve over Brad Jones but you gotta realize dude was a rookie, he is going to improve and get better along with Clay Matthews.

Pretty much what Im saying is we have young talent at the LB position, now we need young talent at tackle and in the secondary.

So you'd prefer Jones over another Clay Matthews?

[3irty1]

I think Brian may be gone but I'd be happy with a shot at Campbell. Last year Oher went at #23 so Campbell might too. Both are sort of boom or bust. Campbell is a big injury risk. The speculation is that he'd be a top 10 pick next year if he didn't declare early.

He's kind of a TT pick in that he's very lean and light on his feet. There just aren't many 310 pound people who are as lean as Campbell. The only thing he's missing that would make him a really great TT lineman is a really nasty mean streak.

[Brandon494]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

wasn't Michael Oher drafted 23 or something like that??

He was, but because of his learning disability, some people weren't convinced he could learn the position well enough. At least, that's what I heard. Some people had him ranked in the top 10, some at the bottom of round 1. He wasn't (pre-draft) a consensus top tackle like Smith, Jason whats-his-name, etc.

Vikings also got Loadholt in the 2nd round so to say we can't find a tackle with the #23 pick is not true. Just because we can't get the top tackle prospect in the draft doesn't mean we can't draft a starter with the 23rd pick.

I can pretty much guarntee you that we will not draft a LB with our 1st round pick and you can quote me on that.

Isn't Loadholt playing RT?

Yea but he was also a 2nd round pick.

Also Lang showed last season that he can handle playing LT.

We had two rookies playing OLB last season who did a damn good job, why are we going to use another 1st round pick on a OLB when he more important areas of need. Sure we can improve over Brad Jones but you gotta realize dude was a rookie, he is going to improve and get better along with Clay Matthews.

Pretty much what Im saying is we have young talent at the LB position, now we need young talent at tackle and in the secondary.

So you'd prefer Jones over another Clay Matthews?

Thats not what I said.......

Both our starting tackles are 33 years of age and injury phone while our two starting OLB are coming off very impressive rookie seasons and are 23 years of age. Yes I would would another Clay Matthews over Brad Jones but just because Clay Matthews was picked in that range last year doesnt mean we'll fine a clone of Clay. Without AR we are NOT a playoff team and even though our pass proection looked a lot better in the 2nd half of the season Rodgers still got sacked more than any other QB in the league.

[Smidgeon]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

wasn't Michael Oher drafted 23 or something like that??

He was, but because of his learning disability, some people weren't convinced he could learn the position well enough. At least, that's what I heard. Some people had him ranked in the top 10, some at the bottom of round 1. He wasn't (pre-draft) a consensus top tackle like Smith, Jason whats-his-name, etc.

Vikings also got Loadholt in the 2nd round so to say we can't find a tackle with the #23 pick is not true. Just because we can't get the top tackle prospect in the draft doesn't mean we can't draft a starter with the 23rd pick.

I can pretty much guarntee you that we will not draft a LB with our 1st round pick and you can quote me on that.

Isn't Loadholt playing RT?

Yea but he was also a 2nd round pick.

Also Lang showed last season that he can handle playing LT.

We had two rookies playing OLB last season who did a damn good job, why are we going to use another 1st round pick on a OLB when he more important areas of need. Sure we can improve over Brad Jones but you gotta realize dude was a rookie, he is going to improve and get better along with Clay Matthews.

Pretty much what Im saying is we have young talent at the LB position, now we need young talent at tackle and in the secondary.

So you'd prefer Jones over another Clay Matthews?

Thats not what I said.......

Both our starting tackles are 33 years of age and injury phone while our two starting OLB are coming off very impressive rookie seasons and are 23 years of age. Yes I would would another Clay Matthews over Brad Jones but just because Clay Matthews was picked in that range last year doesnt mean we'll fine a clone of Clay. Without AR we are NOT a playoff team and even though our pass proection looked a lot better in the 2nd half of the season Rodgers still got sacked more than any other QB in the league.

I absolutely agree with what you're saying in terms of needing an OT. But I would qualify what you're saying about Brad Jones by saying he played impressively for a seventh round draft pick. If he had been drafted in the first round and barely saw the field until the second half of the year due to the starter's injury, everyone would be calling his pick wasted because he was average (for a first rounder) on the field. But since he was a seventh round pick and far exceeded expectations, it was considered an impressive season.

The part I take issue with is focusing on need ahead of the draft. The best you can do is layer your board (If player x is available, take him, then take y if he isn't, then z if he isn't, etc...). If a valued LT drops to #23, amazing. If not, I would gladly take an OLB who can take pressure off Clay.

[Brandon494]

This years draft is pretty rich in OT prospects so having one fall to the #23 spot is not out of the question.

[rbaloha1]

Hope a left tackle is available at the Packer's slot. If not, Taylor Mays would be nice.

[Brandon494]

Hope a left tackle is available at the Packer's slot. If not, Taylor Mays would be nice.

Hell no to Taylor Mays, he will be the next Roy Williams. Too much of a liability in coverage.

A guy I would not mind us selecting in the 2nd round would be Myron Rolle from FSU.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Hope a left tackle is available at the Packer's slot. If not, Taylor Mays would be nice.

Hell no to Taylor Mays, he will be the next Roy Williams. Too much of a liability in coverage.

A guy I would not mind us selecting in the 2nd round would be Myron Rolle from FSU.

Amen.

We need good cover guys with football instincts more than anything else in the secondary. This goes hand-in-hand with good pass rush guys. Together, good cover and good pass rush, is the only way we'll every be able to beat elite QB's like Favre, Brees, Manning, Rivers and keep beating the Staffords and Cutlers.

I like Javier Arenas too, because he's one of the best cover guys and has great football instincts.

[b bulldog]

As noted, Mays lack of talent around him this past year exposed his weaknesses. He has nothing in regards to instincts and he gets exposed in coverage. He also lacks in tackling cause all he wants to do is make the ESPN highlight hit and as a resullt, whiffs a lot. My dream would be a top T falling to 23 as one should and Brandon Graham falling into the second round where TT once again TRADES up to draft a stud OLB.

[Smidgeon]

Hope a left tackle is available at the Packer's slot. If not, Taylor Mays would be nice.

Hell no to Taylor Mays, he will be the next Roy Williams. Too much of a liability in coverage.

A guy I would not mind us selecting in the 2nd round would be Myron Rolle from FSU.

+1

And like I said in a previous post, Mays tackles like Cromartie.

I personally don't know about Rolle. That's where I have to defer to the scouts and personel execs who study players for a living. My "expertise" fades after the first round.

[RashanGary]

As noted, Mays lack of talent around him this past year exposed his weaknesses. He has nothing in regards to instincts and he gets exposed in coverage. He also lacks in tackling cause all he wants to do is make the ESPN highlight hit and as a resullt, whiffs a lot. My dream would be a top T falling to 23 as one should and Brandon Graham falling into the second round where TT once again TRADES up to draft a stud OLB.

If this happened, I see no reason to think we can't be SB competitors right now.

[Smidgeon]

As noted, Mays lack of talent around him this past year exposed his weaknesses. He has nothing in regards to instincts and he gets exposed in coverage. He also lacks in tackling cause all he wants to do is make the ESPN highlight hit and as a resullt, whiffs a lot. My dream would be a top T falling to 23 as one should and Brandon Graham falling into the second round where TT once again TRADES up to draft a stud OLB.

If this happened, I see no reason to think we can't be SB competitors right now.

Provided, of course, that the OLB he trades up to get pans out. Keep in mind there is no guarantee with draft picks. Otherwise Tom Brady wouldn't have lasted until round 6, Colston and Driver and Jones to round 7, etc.