Kiper Mock 2.0

[Lurker64]

Kiper deserves credit, and attention for basically singlehandedly inventing the "draftnik" industry. Before him, there wasn't really anybody doing this sort of analysis of the draft So every time you read someone who's better informed more informative/entertaining than Kiper, that person has Kiper to thank for the fact that their job exists.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Kiper deserves credit, and attention for basically singlehandedly inventing the "draftnik" industry. Before him, there wasn't really anybody doing this sort of analysis of the draft So every time you read someone who's better informed more informative/entertaining than Kiper, that person has Kiper to thank for the fact that their job exists.

Amen to this to. In my last post I didn't mean to disparage the guy's enthusiasm and flare for publicity.

[Joemailman]

Kiper is notoriously lousy at mocking the draft. His mocks are a mockery.

But it's all for fun anyway, right? Do you guys think any GM - outside ol' Matt Millen - would set his draft board based on Mel Kiper's opinion?

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/mockdraftscoring.shtml

Check the link above for a grading system on the various 1st round mock drafts. They give grades based yearly, and on a 3-year average. Kiper isn't the best, but he isn't bad. Bob McGinn was 2nd last year.

By the way Fritz, you may not have been the first to use the phrase Mocking The Draft. http://www.mockingthedraft.com/pages/mock-draft

Or is this your site?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Kiper is notoriously lousy at mocking the draft. His mocks are a mockery.

But it's all for fun anyway, right? Do you guys think any GM - outside ol' Matt Millen - would set his draft board based on Mel Kiper's opinion?

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/mockdraftscoring.shtml

Check the link above for a grading system on the various 1st round mock drafts. They give grades based yearly, and on a 3-year average. Kiper isn't the best, but he isn't bad. Bob McGinn was 2nd last year.

By the way Fritz, you may not have been the first to use the phrase Mocking The Draft. http://www.mockingthedraft.com/pages/mock-draft

Or is this your site?

That's an interesting site. One I hadn't seen.

[pbmax]

I think Joel Buschbaum was on the case before Mel, but in either case, both were working the same side of the street at the same time.

[cheesner]

I think Joel Buschbaum was on the case before Mel, but in either case, both were working the same side of the street at the same time.

There was him and several others. Mel is the only one, thought, to get on ESPN and popularize it.

[Brandon494]

Mayock likes Campbell, Graham for Packers at No. 23
In a wide-ranging conference call with reporters today, I asked NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock for possibilities at two positions of need for the Packers with the No. 23 overall pick.

Obviously, this is just one attuned insider's subjective opinion, but Mayock generally is respected for his evaluations and information, so here are his answers:

Offensive tackle

* The first player is Bruce Campbell, the 6-foot-6, 312-pound offensive tackle from Maryland.

Mayock expects four offensive tackles to come off the board in the draft's first nine picks. After that, there are three tackles -- Campbell, Southern California's Charles Brown and Massachusetts' Vladimir Ducasse -- Mayock thinks are first- or second-round picks before there's "a drop-off."

"I think the logical guy for Green Bay that would probably be there is the Campbell kid from Maryland," Mayock said. "He's a junior that I thought should have stayed in school. I thought he really would have helped himself and been a potential high-level pick.

"The thing about him is he's a very good pass protector, and obviously, with the age in that (Packers) offensive line and a tremendous young quarterback, you've got to protect him. So, (Campbell)'s a guy that makes an awful lot of sense right there.

"He's not a great ... run blocker. He's not a drive blocker. He's not an aggressive kid. He's much better kick-sliding and protecting the quarterback, and actually, that's what Green Bay needs."

Mayock said he has Ducasse rated as a second-round pick and thinks he can play at right tackle. However, he said teams have him anywhere from the first to fourth rounds, depending on whether they think he's close to playing.

Outside linebacker

* The second player is Brandon Graham, a 6-foot-1, 263-pound outside linebacker from Michigan.

Though Graham is shorter than most players at the position and has very short arms (30 1/2 inches), Mayock likens him to Pittsburgh's LaMarr Woodley and said Graham has one of the best motors in the draft.

"He'll fit some teams and not others," Mayock said. "Brandon Graham could be at 23, and he's got a great motor, an ability to rush the quarterback, and he's very stout against the run.

"Teams are going to ding him a little bit again for his size and his arm length. But he passes all the smell test on tape. He played really well against (likely first-round pick) Bryan Bulaga from Iowa. He had a tremendous Senior Bowl week. So, for me, just as a player, he passes the smell test, and he might be sitting there at 23 for Green Bay."

Mayock estimated there are 15 to 18 college defensive ends who will play outside linebacker in the NFL and are worth taking in the first three rounds.

Quick hits

Some other notable opinions Mayock offered:

* This is probably the deepest draft he's seen at cornerback, safety and defensive tackle. Teams can get a quality player at those spots into the third and fourth rounds.

* On the other hand, it's a bad year for quarterbacks and interior offensive linemen. There is tremendous depth at other skill spots.

* The top five players on Mayock's board are:

1. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa

* Mayock said McCoy and Suh both are best suited to play the three-technique in a 4-3 defense. He rates McCoy ahead of Suh because McCoy is more disruptive in the pass game, but he regards both as Pro Bowl-potential defensive tackles.

* Mayock's top five cornerbacks are: Florida's Joe Haden, Boise State's Kyle Wilson, Rutgers' Devin McCourtey, Florida State's Patick Robinson and Southern Florida's Jerome Murphy. He has Oklahoma State's Perrish Cox rated as a second-round pick.

* Texas' Earl Thomas, not Tennessee's Eric Berry, is the top safety on Mayock's board, although Mayock acknowledged Berry probably will be selected first.

* One other safety note: on Florida State's Myron Rolle, the rap is tightness in the hips, athletic ability and speed speed. If Rolle runs a 4.5-range 40 at the combine and shows well in defensive-back drills, Mayock said, he could improve his stock to the third round.

-- Tom Pelissero, tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com
http://twitter.com/tompelissero

[3irty1]

I have a feeling the Bruce Campbell won't land anywhere close to 23. He could be Al Davis's pick or something. Physically the guy looks like a bigger version of Vernon Davis. An absolute specimen.

[Bossman641]

Is anyone else surprised Mayock has Thomas rated higher than Berry? From what I've been reading it sounds like Berry is as close to a sure thing as this draft has.

[Smidgeon]

Is anyone else surprised Mayock has Thomas rated higher than Berry? From what I've been reading it sounds like Berry is as close to a sure thing as this draft has.

Well, Mayock also has Suh rated behind McWhatHisName. I think what this is telling me is that there is no sure thing in any draft. Some players are as advertised, some aren't. The minute I get caught up in the idea of "sure fire", I'm wrong. Mayock could definitely be right. He could also definitely be wrong. It's part of the pre-draft hype that is all entertainment.

[RashanGary]

Players I like that could be picked in our area:

Bryan Buluga
Mike Iupati
Ryan Matthews
Kyle Wilson

[swede]

Players I like that could be picked in our area:

Bryan Buluga
Mike Iupati
Ryan Matthews
Kyle Wilson

I hadn't really heard about Kyle Wilson, so I did some poking around.

If you read some of the info further down on this link he got some nice compliments, and I doubt he'd make it past Detroit's 2nd pick.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68129&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB

[3irty1]

Players I like that could be picked in our area:

Bryan Buluga
Mike Iupati
Ryan Matthews
Kyle Wilson

I like Buluga and since our OL coaching seems to suck balls and nobody ever gets better, I like that he's pretty tech sound. I think I'd rather have Campbell based on pure upside but Buluga would be nice too.

Iupati will probably be gone. But he'd be pretty awesome in G&G. Should start for just about any team day 1 and still could be better. He might have the longest arms of all OL in the draft too.

Ryan Mathews is a pretty complete prospect but as a fan I don't get too excited about the idea of a first round RB. Even if they do work out against the odds, they have a short shelf life. I'd rather use a later round pick on a guy who'd compliment Grant better.

Kyle Wilson will play in the NFL but I doubt it will be for TT. He just doesn't fit the TT mold.